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To: The_Reader_David
It requires the vote of 2/3 of the Senate to ratify a treaty,

No, it does not. Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 as quoted above in post 24, requires only 2/3 of Senators PRESENT for ratification. If there is but a minimum quorum of 51, that is 34.

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29 posted on 11/22/2012 2:14:30 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Carry_Okie

First, I never took the bet. Second, my original post simply asked whether you were worried we couldn’t get 34 Senators to block ratification — that is the number sufficient to block it with all the Senators present — nowhere did I assert that 67 Senators were needed to ratify the treaty. In my later post pointing to the 2/3 majority requirement I noted that a smaller number would be needed to block in the case where a mere quorum was present.


30 posted on 11/22/2012 4:23:10 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Carry_Okie

I do, however, see why you think my assertion of needing a vote of 2/3 of the Senate was incorrect — I am so used to the norms of parliamentary procedure that I assume “present and voting when a quorum is present” as the normal meaning of all such assertions unless they are modified to the contrary. (I was an old parliamentary-style debater in college, and function as the de facto parliamentarian for every deliberative body I sit on at the university where I am employed.) Requirements that a majority of the entire membership (or some super-majority proportion of the entire membership) vote in favor of some measure are so unusual they are always spelled out explicitly as such in by-laws of organizations that make such requirements.


31 posted on 11/22/2012 4:30:29 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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