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DHS wants to double domestic drone fleet.
BI ^ | 11/20/2012 | Michael Kelly

Posted on 11/20/2012 7:32:14 PM PST by GlockThe Vote

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) wants to more than double its fleet of Predator drones for surveillance missions inside the United States, Trevor Timm of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) reports.

The DHS recently signed a contract with General Atomics —worth as much as $443 million — to purchase up to 14 Predator drones, which would add to its current fleet of 10 if Congress appropriates the funds.

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Disgusting
1 posted on 11/20/2012 7:32:17 PM PST by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote
happy hunting, boys! Be sure you get a duck stamp first.
2 posted on 11/20/2012 7:34:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: GlockThe Vote

Why? Why do this?


3 posted on 11/20/2012 7:35:10 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: GlockThe Vote

I imagine Barry Benghazi and his pig, Napolitano, are going to want them to have “gun sniffers” on them. Gotta get those guns away from the Americans.


4 posted on 11/20/2012 7:36:14 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Amnesty - Obama's bailout of Mexico. Barry sticks it to America again!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

That is very worrisome.


5 posted on 11/20/2012 7:37:15 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: GlockThe Vote

but will the police and military be used to put a boot on the neck of the American people ?


6 posted on 11/20/2012 7:38:18 PM PST by molson209
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To: txnativegop

The genie is out of the bottle and both parties are full in favor of this bs.


7 posted on 11/20/2012 7:39:47 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: FlyingEagle

Because as things in this country get worse and worse the govt is going to have to be more repressive to quell dissent,

We are heading to collapse and everyone w two brain cells knows it


8 posted on 11/20/2012 7:41:43 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Big brother at his best.

Mayhap these drones can help me find the guns I lost when my boat overturned in the lake several years ago?


9 posted on 11/20/2012 7:42:28 PM PST by doc1019 (Islam, the religion of animals.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

$31 million a pop. Must be made of unobtanium.


10 posted on 11/20/2012 7:43:35 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Lightfield 12 Gauge Slug
11 posted on 11/20/2012 7:47:38 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Don’t know how high those PETA drone things fly but they’ve been shot down. How high will these things fly? Also, are they military style/type?


12 posted on 11/20/2012 7:47:55 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: FlyingEagle

stop asking so many questions and just pay your taxes slave.


13 posted on 11/20/2012 7:49:14 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: FlyingEagle

Is what it reminds me of:

” . and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.” Daniel 7:8


14 posted on 11/20/2012 7:49:14 PM PST by captmar-vell
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To: GlockThe Vote

This is exactly why I don’t want the military cut.

They’ll spend all the money they want on bogus programs, and cut our military to the bone, so we can’t even defend ourselves.


15 posted on 11/20/2012 7:49:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

The Department of Homeland Security,,the department with the creepy nazi sounding name. The Department with the same number of personnel as the USMC and twice their budget. Only they are aimed right at us.


16 posted on 11/20/2012 7:50:28 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: molson209

“but will the police and military be used to put a boot on the neck of the American people ?”

Police will do it in a heartbeat, because they are merely union goons with a badge and a gun (and because they are already into the “abuse the citizen” mode anyway). The military, is less certain in my mind.


17 posted on 11/20/2012 7:53:56 PM PST by vette6387
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To: DesertRhino

Another legacy from W I will never forgive him for.


18 posted on 11/20/2012 7:59:13 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Obamanation Communism File.


19 posted on 11/20/2012 8:10:27 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: GlockThe Vote

DHS looks to double their domestic drone fleet and recently graduated their first class of 231, 18-24 year old Homeland Youth Corps (their brown shirts were apparently not ready for graduation). FEMA has ordered 2,500 GLS armored fighting vehicles complete with gun slots. FEMA also recently graduated its first class of FEMA Corps. The Feds procurement website list requests for bids for ammunition and weaponry. Granted, DHS is replacing out dated ammo for some of its agencies like the Coast Guard. However, over the past decade, DHS has ordered billions of rounds of ammo, more than expected for normal domestic use.


20 posted on 11/20/2012 8:16:11 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: FlyingEagle
Why? Why do this?

That has been my question. Why spy on people? Why destroy the U.S. freedoms? What does it get them? Power, and ultimately money? They then become what they pretend to hate. When all is said and done, the whole mess just leads to depravity and evil. I guess they do it for Satan.

21 posted on 11/20/2012 8:16:11 PM PST by madison10
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To: vette6387

I think the military will be more likely to put the boot on the neck. Police are not necessarily more trustworthy, but they are much more local. They live in that town, their kids go to school, etc etc. If they truly turn evil, they risk immediate reprisals.

Military formations are much more accustomed to following orders, and live a cloistered life where they can be managed easier with the official explanation.

Also they are usually from somewhere else. Soldiers from the area to be supressed can easily be weeded out in advance. Otherwise, soldiers from there are likely to desert. Also, the Military has been filled with Petraeus types, generals who got stars under Clinton and Obama, Lt Col Paula Broadwells, etc etc.
This ain’t dads army.

If you doubt the military will attack Americans, i give you Kent State, the bonus army in DC, Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc. They will certainly do it.


22 posted on 11/20/2012 8:22:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

As long as no tax payer money is involved, sure! </ha ha>


23 posted on 11/20/2012 9:00:18 PM PST by Richard Axtell (Comming: The Abyss.)
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To: FlyingEagle

“Why? Why do this?”

Here’s the answer OBrian gave to Winston Smith as he was torturing him.
Of course, Smith wanted to know why. (Why not just kill him.)

Elsewhere in the book OBrian defined “power”: (it sounds like tautology, at first) “Power is the power to make others suffer.”

OBrian:
“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?”

Our O’Brians are now welcoming illegal aliens—although they violate federal immigration and naturalization law by doing so—while planning to fly hundreds of surveillance drones to keep tabs on the rest of us.

They have been depleting our treasury—and credit—as fast as they can (just today I read about Obama wanting to send 4-5 billion freshly printed tax dollars to Asia, for their own Solyndras) and they have nationalized the automobile manufacturing, insurance and are on track to nationalize the health care industries, etc., all the while planning and implementing a raft of new repressive business regulations.

Nations are destroyed from within, not from without. Gibbon, Lincoln.
Obama and his friends see the USA as a capitalist, neo-colonial, imperialist power that should be run (as Socrates put it) by “those who know” as a socialist state.
We can joke that they are using the book `Nineteen EightyFour’ as a guidebook, like North Korea, but like North Korea they are anything but “democratic”.

Next on their agenda would be seeking out those like yourself and myself, on whatever charges they thought might stick (in `Oceania’ there were no laws, there was only thoughtcrime ; today, `racism,’ `insensitivity’ et cetera) and anyone who betrayed a thought of wanting to know why things had become the way they are, and if they were always this way, and if they could be changed was singled out and eliminated.

They seek power for its own sake. They are hardcore statists and barely concealed fascists. They want to make us suffer. That’s why they are doing this. Okey dokey?


24 posted on 11/20/2012 9:27:03 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: FlyingEagle

Ping


25 posted on 11/20/2012 9:35:23 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: FlyingEagle

Ping


26 posted on 11/20/2012 9:35:38 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: FlyingEagle
Why? Why do this?

Because they're a lot of those "bitter clingers" in flyover country.

27 posted on 11/20/2012 10:40:55 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: SIDENET
Because they're a lot of those "bitter clingers" in flyover country.

Because there are a lot of "bitter clingers" in flyover country.

(Up late.)

28 posted on 11/20/2012 10:44:47 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: GlockThe Vote; All

How come the ACLU has not raised a big stink about this?


29 posted on 11/21/2012 2:35:36 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: KevinDavis

From Krauthammer :

“I’m going to go hard left on you here, I’m going ACLU. I don’t want regulations, I don’t want restrictions, I want a ban on this. Drones are instruments of war. The Founders had a great aversion to any instruments of war, the use of the military inside even the United States. It didn’t like standing armies, it has all kinds of statutes of using the army in the country.

A drone is a high-tech version of an old army and a musket. It ought to be used in Somalia to hunt bad guys but not in America. I don’t want to see it hovering over anybody’s home. Yes, you can say we have satellites, we’ve got Google Street View and London has a camera on every street corner but that’s not an excuse to cave in on everything else and accept a society where you’re always under — being watched by the government. This is not what we want.

I would say that you ban it under all circumstances and I would predict, I’m not encouraging, but I an predicting that the first guy who uses a Second Amendment weapon to bring a drone down that’s been hovering over his house is going to be a folk hero in this country.”


30 posted on 11/21/2012 2:41:57 AM PST by OwenKellogg
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; SLB; wardaddy; MileHi
A bad thing. Our tax dollars at work...
31 posted on 11/21/2012 3:27:34 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
>>>happy hunting, boys! Be sure you get a duck stamp first.

I see this posted a lot here on FR...and I know most of these comments are in jest. However, I do hope people realize you aren't going to shoot these things down.

First of all, you don't hear them...so you don't know they are there. Do you know of anyone who can hear a lawnmower from a mile and a half? Second, they fly at an operational height that will certainly prohibit anyone from shooting them down with a rifle.

There is a reason the terrorists hate these things so much. There is no defense, available to the average man, against them.

32 posted on 11/21/2012 3:39:41 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: KevinDavis

Funny eeehhhhh?


33 posted on 11/21/2012 4:16:14 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: NELSON111

No one is shooting anything down. These drones should have no place whatsoever in this country.

Disgusting how people support this insanity


34 posted on 11/21/2012 6:34:25 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote
>>>Disgusting how people support this insanity

Concur 110%...

35 posted on 11/21/2012 7:13:16 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: GlockThe Vote
>>>Disgusting how people support this insanity

Concur 110%...

36 posted on 11/21/2012 7:13:28 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: GlockThe Vote; All

Had Bush done this, the left would be going ape sh*t over this and rightly so.


37 posted on 11/21/2012 7:38:13 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: GlockThe Vote; NELSON111; All

Let’s be honest, we let it happen.. First it started with the War on Drugs when we allowed the Government to take away a few rights.. The we allowed groups like M.A.D.D. to take away few of our rights on their war on drinking. Then of course the war on terror. I hate to shudder what will it be like when we do get hit again.


38 posted on 11/21/2012 7:44:29 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
(DHS) wants to more than double its fleet of Predator drones for surveillance missions inside the United States

For surveillance, and that alone, "Predators" are not required. That they are seeking "Predators" as opposed to drones incapable of being armed is ominous...

the infowarrior

39 posted on 11/21/2012 8:12:23 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: infowarrior

We are heading in a terrible path.


40 posted on 11/21/2012 8:29:32 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Some local police depts have them. Who needs black helos, when you can have drones?


41 posted on 11/21/2012 9:58:14 AM PST by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Troubling on a few fronts....

What investigation by DHS has resulted in any arrests using said UAV’s aka cost versus results... ?

What is the domestic threat level that currently validates such a purchase by law enforcement ?

The militarization of law enforcement and the demilitarization of the military is telling of times to come yet the sheeple choose to ignore the 800 pound gorilla on the porch.

Damn....

Stay safe D1 !

....enjoy thanksgiving and hope you get some good company and grub tomorrow....


42 posted on 11/21/2012 11:11:49 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Squantos

Couldn’t agree more.

And yes, just damn...

You stay safe too, and I hope you have a great time with the family. Best wishes bud.

Not too much grub now... ;^)


43 posted on 11/21/2012 11:20:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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