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House resolution calls on Obama to reject UN arms trade treaty
THE HILL ^ | November 20, 2012 | Pete Kasperowicz

Posted on 11/20/2012 2:39:29 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER

Several dozen members of the House have introduced a resolution that calls on President Obama not to sign the United Nations's Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). It also demands that if Obama does sign it, the government should not spend any time or money on implementation until the Senate approves it.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arms; banglist; treaty; un
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I think the House members are just sending a shot over Barry’s bow. There are not 67 votes in the Senate for this POS. If politicians know how to do one thing it is stick thdeir finger in the wind. There is no desire for gun control in this country. It would kick off CWII.


21 posted on 11/20/2012 6:59:51 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Good job. I was going to reply and then saw your reply. This deserves its own thread. FReepers need to know and then they need to tell the people.


22 posted on 11/20/2012 7:48:15 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; philman_36
Good job. I was going to reply and then saw your reply.

Well welcome aboard! Philman_36 and I have been trying to get FReepers to understand the threat of treaties for over a decade. I'm getting damned tired of dealing with "it takes 67 Senators" over and over.

23 posted on 11/20/2012 8:20:11 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
But he CAN order that all government agencies under his control, including the ATF, act as though it were the law of the land.

Maybe that would be the "line drawn in the sand".

24 posted on 11/20/2012 8:31:51 PM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK
The President cannot enter into any treaty all by his dictatorial little self.

Just who do you think will stop him? I have little reason to trust the Senate and the house has no real say other than budget, and they have shown their true self by letting the administration operate without a budget for four years.

We have no clue where the money is going or how much.

25 posted on 11/21/2012 1:56:03 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Carry_Okie
I'm getting damned tired of dealing with "it takes 67 Senators" over and over.

Haven't we had some questionable Amendment ratifications as well?

26 posted on 11/21/2012 2:10:44 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: drypowder

No one should be shocked by this. It has always been Obama’s plan.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61942.html

Barack Obama’s gun control is ‘under the radar’

For an administration with a secretive itch for gun control, the situation is ideal. They can let the United Nations do the dirty work of drafting onerous new restrictions on civilian firearms, then package them inside a treaty with legitimate measures to control true military armaments.

The U.N. has scheduled the treaty to be finished in July of next year — just in time to go to the Obama White House for ratification.

That’s “under the radar” for you.

But one risk of operating under the radar is that you can’t see the moves of your opponents. This is not the first U.N. gun-control rodeo for my friends at the National Rifle Association. They know treaty ratification requires a two-thirds vote in the Senate. Thirty-four senators would have to vote no to block the treaty.

While the rest of Washington was fixated on the debt ceiling debate, the NRA quietly marshaled opposition to the treaty among pro-gun senators.

Fifty-eight senators have now called out the president on his plan. Led by Sens. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and Jon Tester (D-Mont.), 45 Republicans and 13 Democrats have written two strong letters —one from members of each party — to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. All the senators have vowed to oppose any treaty that restricts civilian firearm ownership.

What’s ironic is that the United States already has the world’s pre-eminent system for regulation of true military arms sales. If the rest of the world merely adopted the U.S. regulatory regime, there would be no need for an Arms Trade Treaty.

Except from the article.


27 posted on 11/21/2012 4:58:57 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012; itsahoot
Your assessment of Obama is correct. However...

They (the NRA - CO) know treaty ratification requires a two-thirds vote in the Senate. Thirty-four senators would have to vote no to block the treaty.

I'll bet you a $1000 donation to FReerepublic that this is dead wrong. You have no idea how dangerous promulgating this error really is, at which you went on about it at unreasonable length. Nor did you even read the thread where that fact is explained before offering your inestimable opinion.

Either that or you can go and read what Article II Section 2 Clause 2 of the Constitution actually says. Given the language of that clause, a treaty can be ratified legally by as few as 34 Senators and (given the precedent of what constitutes a filibuster) conceivably as few as TWO (2) . If you want to understand how it got that way read this.

Harry Reid is a master of underhanded procedure. He knows how to get this treaty to the floor without a committee vote. He may know how to get it to a vote without a filibuster. And there you sit, confident in your comfort, because the NRA has your back. Oh, and I'm sure the NRA explained all of that to you, right?

One last thing, despite your blandishments about the United States' wonderful system for tracking military weapons sales, how does that explain Fast & Furious? Iran Contra?? Arms sales to the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria???

This treaty would end the practice of arming oppressed peoples to take down their tyrannical governments. How do you think we armed the resistance to fascism in Europe? How the hell do you think the colonists of this country got their weapons???? Is that what you want?

28 posted on 11/21/2012 8:34:56 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I guess there will be a lot of sleepless Republican Senators awaiting a quorum call to vote.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 10:48:48 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
I know of at least one instance in which a treaty was ratified without a quorum (if you click the link I provided above, you'll see that it was a lulu). In the past, I have suggested a 24-7 watch on the Senate chambers with designated Senators maintaining an "on-call list."

Are you listening Jim DeMint?

30 posted on 11/21/2012 10:55:34 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Carry I don't think I disagreed with anything you said. I know about the Treaty Trap, maybe because I read your treatise several years back.

There is a similar lack of understanding of the Power Congress has to pass laws that the Supreme Court has no authority to review.

Of course we now have no need for Congress at all since legislation is regularly skirted with EOs.

31 posted on 11/21/2012 12:02:36 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: itsahoot
Carry I don't think I disagreed with anything you said.

You didn't, and you didn't say anything incorrect. It was a sort of cc to let you know why I get so blasted tired of this stupidity. It was a cry for help to one whom I know is capable of rendering aid. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Of course we now have no need for Congress at all since legislation is regularly skirted with EOs.

Or UN secretariats. Sigh.

32 posted on 11/21/2012 12:08:37 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

33 posted on 12/04/2012 5:52:56 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

34 posted on 12/04/2012 5:53:10 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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