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To: ksen
Ksen, one think I'm frustrated about in this discussion is the tendency to narrow down to just an a/b choice (e.g. single-payer insurance vs. the status-quo employment-based set-up), when there must be more options than that.

The larger the cost sharing pool and the more real competition, the better the insurance deals would be. Up til now, we've relied almost entirely on employment for health coverage. That, coupled with a ban on interstate sale of insurance, has led to much smaller cost-sharing pools and very little actual competition, with one insurer often dominating entire regions. Fifty different sets of rules and regulations have historically governed insurance sales across the country, with consumers almost always bound to their employer’s choice for health coverage – and worse, should they lose their job, finding themselves suddenly without any insurance at all.

It's hard to defend such an ad hoc "system" with its innate inefficiencies and skyrocketing costs.

The argument that no modern, industrialized nation should be without universal coverage is persuasive. But other Western nations have found ways to achieve it through far more decentralized means than Canadian-style single payer, or the expensive socialized medicine of the UK. The Dutch --- I've read --- have achieved universal coverage entirely through fierce competition between private insurers, and the Germans use a system of exchanges that allow German workers to move from job to job without losing insurance. The Swiss, who have made an art of subsidiarity, have achieved universal coverage through competing non-profit insurance plans.

I myself would like to see a competitive system with the following features:


209 posted on 11/21/2012 3:18:44 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (If you think healthcare is expensive now, you should see what it costs when it's free. PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Mrs. Don-o first let me say that it's been a real pleasure interacting with you because you do not engage in kneejerk reactive posts, though those are fun sometimes ;), and genuinely want to have a conversation with someone who doesn't see some things the same way you do even though I think we have the same destination in mind.

I always want to say I hope you had a lovely Thanksgiving holiday.

Now to your post!

Ksen, one think I'm frustrated about in this discussion is the tendency to narrow down to just an a/b choice (e.g. single-payer insurance vs. the status-quo employment-based set-up), when there must be more options than that.

The larger the cost sharing pool and the more real competition, the better the insurance deals would be. Up til now, we've relied almost entirely on employment for health coverage. That, coupled with a ban on interstate sale of insurance, has led to much smaller cost-sharing pools and very little actual competition, with one insurer often dominating entire regions. Fifty different sets of rules and regulations have historically governed insurance sales across the country, with consumers almost always bound to their employer’s choice for health coverage – and worse, should they lose their job, finding themselves suddenly without any insurance at all.

It's hard to defend such an ad hoc "system" with its innate inefficiencies and skyrocketing costs.

I think I can safely say that I completely agree with you. One thing I would add is that I believe when it comes to access to healthcare that the profit motive shouldn't be a factor in the decision making process or be so far removed from the decision making process that it might as well not exist at all.

The argument that no modern, industrialized nation should be without universal coverage is persuasive. But other Western nations have found ways to achieve it through far more decentralized means than Canadian-style single payer, or the expensive socialized medicine of the UK. The Dutch --- I've read --- have achieved universal coverage entirely through fierce competition between private insurers, and the Germans use a system of exchanges that allow German workers to move from job to job without losing insurance. The Swiss, who have made an art of subsidiarity, have achieved universal coverage through competing non-profit insurance plans.

Sure, even though I would prefer a system like the French have doesn't mean there aren't other good ideas out there. We are a country full of very bright people and given the amount of data available we should be able to take the best of what other countries have been doing and tailor a very good situation for ourselves.

Unfortunately, with respect to Obamacare, we didn't do that. We cobbled together a monstrosity. But even the "thing" we have now is better than what we had before and will hopefully move us along further to real healthcare reform, whatever form it takes.

222 posted on 11/26/2012 8:11:52 AM PST by ksen
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