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Judge: Obama Admin Can Force Hobby Lobby to Obey HHS Mandate
Life News ^ | November 20, 2012 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 11/20/2012 1:12:51 PM PST by NYer

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To: NYer

The First Amendment places no restrictions on the actions, behavior, or beliefs of individuals or business owners.

100% of the restrictions imposed by the First Amendment are placed on the Congress of the United States of America.


101 posted on 11/20/2012 3:25:59 PM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: ksen

“But I’m all for moving away from an employer/insurance model and for going directly to a single-payer system supported by tax revenues. “

I’m for breaking away from employer based pools as well but not so sure about single payer. I would pool people by zip code or something and pay for it by subscription, just like we do cable tv, gas, water, etc.

For now though, employer based is what we have and don’t think having comparable plans across employers for legal procedures is too much to ask. We are a secular nation, not Christian (anymore) and at some point will probably be muslim. A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous ground to be on. If a business owner does not want to purchase something, that is fine, but if a business is incorporated and seen by the gov as a separate person, and if the gov is saying that incorporated person needs to offer x coverage, then so be it. It is the law and if it is not liked, go to congress to have it changed.


102 posted on 11/20/2012 3:29:17 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: MrB

Good. I hope millions of employees all over the country get hurt.

Then maybe they’ll pull their heads out of their butts.


103 posted on 11/20/2012 3:31:59 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Let the Dems destroy the economy!)
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To: ksen; No Socialist
Ksen, your reference to Savita is not wellfounded on facts. There is nothing either in Irish law nor in Catholic morality which would have prevented these doctors in Galway treating this woman appropriately. Although abortion is not a cure for septicemia (!), nothing would have them from removing the body of a miscarried baby. I am astounded that they didn't do a simple blood test and put her on an antibiotic drip from Day One, which is how you're supposed to treat septicemia.

But then, all persons resident in Ireland are entitled to receive health care through the public health care system, which is managed by the Health Service Executive and funded by general taxation. It's, sadly, not at all surprising that they declined to treat her on her first visit. Such under-treatment is all to common with this kind of system. Savita was a victim of medical malpractice, not ethics.

104 posted on 11/20/2012 3:33:43 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
with liberty neither for the employer, the health provider, nor the health consumer.

I think it would be very liberating for the employer and the health consumers. For the employers because they wouldn't have to worry about providing health insurance for their employees and could spend more time focused on their business. For the health consumer because he would no longer have to worry about medical bankruptcy.

And that’s what you say you “hope” for?

Yes.

105 posted on 11/20/2012 3:45:40 PM PST by ksen
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To: NYer
Forcing Christians to pay for abortions seems a real priority with these people.

Muslims will get a pass.

FUBO

106 posted on 11/20/2012 3:46:27 PM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: Rightly Biased
GOD bless you and your family. I will pray for you all. I can't afford to keep spending money to keep employees working when there is no improvement in the business climate for the foreseeable future.

LLS

107 posted on 11/20/2012 3:46:54 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: DonaldC
"For now though, employer based is what we have and don’t think having comparable plans across employers for legal procedures is too much to ask. We are a secular nation, not Christian (anymore) and at some point will probably be muslim. A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous ground to be on."

That is a fascinatingly stupid statement given Muslims are exempted from Bobocare...

108 posted on 11/20/2012 3:49:26 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: StAnDeliver

They are exempted, but they are not making decisions that effect your healthcare, but they eventually will be.


109 posted on 11/20/2012 3:50:34 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: major1971

Simply discontinue employer-sponsored insurance.


110 posted on 11/20/2012 3:52:29 PM PST by des
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To: DonaldC
We are a secular nation, not Christian (anymore) and at some point will probably be muslim. A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous ground to be on.

Are you insane? Off your meds? You acknowledge that we might be majority muslim someday and still don't see the problem in allowing muslims to force on every other religion their own dictates? You don't want a religious exemption to be available so youre future female descendants aren't mandated to have female circumcision? Being forced to practice someone else's religious beliefs, as the abortion mandate does, is as unamerican as it gets.

111 posted on 11/20/2012 3:53:53 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; ksen; No Socialist

Savita is just the latest victim of the poor quality care inherent to socialized medicine.


112 posted on 11/20/2012 3:55:23 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: DonaldC
You're not slick. You said, "A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous ground to be on" -- that is completely asinine given Muslims are able to opt out completely from unconscionable Bobocare regulations that Catholics cannot.
113 posted on 11/20/2012 3:56:01 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: JediJones

Go back and read what I said. We do not want religious dictates, Christina or muslim, do be defining what our healthcare looks like.


114 posted on 11/20/2012 3:56:18 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: StAnDeliver

I think if I was in Hobby Lobby’s situation I would change employees by attrition. Let them go and rehire people over the age of 50. That would eliminate paying for any abortions for employees and most of their daughters. Older folks make good employees. Any heavy lifting needed could be done by temp workers.


115 posted on 11/20/2012 3:56:54 PM PST by WVNan
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To: DonaldC
You're not slick. You said, "A precedent of limiting coverage on religious grounds is dangerous ground to be on" -- that is completely asinine given Muslims are able to opt out completely from unconscionable Bobocare regulations that Catholics cannot.
116 posted on 11/20/2012 3:57:17 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: ksen
I think it would be very liberating for the employer and the health consumers. For the employers because they wouldn't have to worry about providing health insurance for their employees and could spend more time focused on their business. For the health consumer because he would no longer have to worry about medical bankruptcy.

What is "liberating" about having the government confiscate an ever-increasing portion of the fruits of your labor to redistribute to people who stay home and sit on their butts all day? This is a lot closer to the definition of slavery than liberty. The modern working man is already a tax slave.

You won't have to worry about medical bankruptcy, because there won't be any quality health care services around for you to pay for. You'll have the right to stand in line alongside the local welfare bum for poor quality care. At least until you're old enough where care will be denied in favor of euthanasia, or if you prefer a slow death of natural causes.

117 posted on 11/20/2012 3:59:48 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: Mr. K

A muslim barber shop refused to cut the hair of a woman last week. She is suing them for discrimination.

Love it when a plan comes together! (George Peppard). I miss him.


118 posted on 11/20/2012 4:00:10 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Ingtar

Don’t be surprised if it happens.


119 posted on 11/20/2012 4:01:06 PM PST by OKSooner ("I will bless those who bless thee, and I will curse those who curse thee.")
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To: Mr. K

Wait until everything is Obamacare & we find out that every single medical loction has to have a staff of female doctors, anesthesiologists, etc, because no Muslim woman can be treated by a male.......


120 posted on 11/20/2012 4:01:55 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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