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Gov. Rick Scott, Other Florida Officials Re-Thinking Opposition to 'Obamacare'
WPTV ^ | 11/19/2012 | Kathleen Haughney

Posted on 11/19/2012 10:38:04 PM PST by nickcarraway

What a difference an election can make.

Just a week after the re-election of Barack Obama ended all Republican hopes of overturning the new health care law known as " Obamacare," Gov. Rick Scott and other Florida leaders who have steadfastly rejected the idea are now willing to at least talk about implementing it for the state's 3.8 million uninsured.

" Mitt Romney did not win the election," Scott told reporters Friday in Washington D.C., hours before he released a letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius asking for a meeting to discuss implementing the law. "So it's not an option to repeal Obamacare. So my goal now is: focus on what's good for our citizens."

He added: "The official response is going to be: 'I want to sit down with you. I want to see how we can work together to lower health care costs for Floridians.'" But it will be some time before Florida decides on how to implement crucial elements of the Affordable Care Act: setting up an insurance "exchange" and adding lower-income Floridians to the Medicaid program. Incoming House Speaker Will Weatherford and Senate President Don Gaetz wrote Sebelius Thursday night saying they could not yet make a call on whether to start an exchange — essentially, a state-run health insurance marketplace for small businesses and individuals.

The law says that if a state refuses to set up an exchange, the federal government will do it. So far, 13 states — mostly Democratic — and the District of Columbia have officially said they will run their own exchanges. Weatherford and Gaetz wrote that 100 rules and regulations are still being developed by the Obama administration, including guidelines on minimum coverage and benefits. And in his letter Friday, Scott said startup costs "are projected at $92.3 million" through next year, and annual operating costs to the state – based on experience in Illinois -- could range from $57.4 million to $88.6 million by 2016.

"We should be looking out for our consumers and we should be looking out for our state and doing what's best for them," said Weatherford, R-Wesley Chapel. "The problem is there are hundreds of unanswered questions that are out there with regard to the implementation to the Affordable Health Care Act. Until we have the answers to those questions, we don't know which plan gives our consumers the most choices."

Insurers are researching and trying to develop plans that work with the new requirements, but they too have a lot of questions, said Michael Garner, executive director of the Florida Association of Health Plans, a trade association for health insurers. They haven't even figured out if it's better for the federal government or the state to run the exchanges, or some sort of partnership.

"Until we get more information, it's too difficult to stipulate which direction is best," Garner said. The federal government counters that states have been offered help in getting the process started, and the deadline to decide on who should run the exchange has been extended from last week to Dec. 14. HHS has provided a blueprint of what a state exchange should look like and offered grants to pay design costs. Florida applied for the money in 2010 under Gov. Charlie Crist, but Scott ordered the state to return the $1 million check. The exchanges are a crucial key to the health care overhaul, which by 2014 will require all adults to either purchase health insurance, enroll in a federally subsidized plan — or pay a tax.

Large employers will be required to provide health coverage to employees or pay a fine. Smaller companies, of up to 100 employees, and individuals not covered by an employer would find insurance using the exchange, and lower-income purchasers would qualify for federal subsidies. Plans offered by the exchanges would provide a minimum level of benefits, with limited co-payments and out-of-pocket expenses.

The exchanges must begin enrolling users by October 2013 and be fully operational by Jan. 1, 2014.

Both Weatherford and Gaetz have said they want the Legislature to decide whether the state or federal government should run the insurance exchange, and whether Florida should expand its Medicaid program to cover an estimated 800,000 to 1.3 million low-income individuals who currently earn too much to qualify. In upholding the law in June, the U.S. Supreme Court said states could not be compelled to expand Medicaid eligibility.

Though the feds will pay 100 percent of the cost of the new enrollees, that will drop to 90 percent by 2020. Scott has said the state can't afford the expansion of Medicaid, which state analysts have pegged at about $1 billion but which Scott insists is likely to be higher. Scott also is seeking federal approval to put the state's existing Medicaid patients into managed care — like HMOs — under a cost-cutting proposal passed by the 2011 Legislature. "Statewide Medicaid managed care is one way we can act immediately to encourage more competition.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: obamacare; romneycare; worthless
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Translation: We were always in favor of Obamacare, but we had to wait until after the election to admit it. And even if Romney won, we would have had some excuse to implement it.
1 posted on 11/19/2012 10:38:18 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

You’re right. I suspected that all along.


2 posted on 11/19/2012 10:40:23 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: nickcarraway

OMG ! Have even MORE kneecaps been threatened ???


3 posted on 11/19/2012 10:40:42 PM PST by PraiseTheLord (economic civil war ?)
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To: nickcarraway

I have to wonder if the 50 States desiring to secede from the District of Criminals will cause them to re-think their position?


4 posted on 11/19/2012 10:52:34 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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Mixed feelings:

I wish all states would tell Obama to go stick it.

The more that don’t the better business climate and more jobs for my state.


5 posted on 11/19/2012 10:54:17 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: nickcarraway

Time for a recall effort on Governor Scott.

It is time to get almighty tough with these traitors.


6 posted on 11/19/2012 10:59:18 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: nickcarraway; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”Though the feds will pay 100 percent of the cost of the new enrollees, that will drop to 90 percent by 2020. Scott has said the state can't afford the expansion of Medicaid, which state analysts have pegged at about $1 billion but which Scott insists is likely to be higher. Scott also is seeking federal approval to put the state's existing Medicaid patients into managed care — like HMOs — under a cost-cutting proposal passed by the 2011 Legislature. “Statewide Medicaid managed care is one way we can act immediately to encourage more competition.”

Good thing Republicans took over the house so they could make sure that this is funded.

7 posted on 11/19/2012 11:01:26 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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Communism is here to stay. There is nothing we can do about it. Quit fooling yourselves.


8 posted on 11/19/2012 11:14:24 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing
Communism is here to stay. There is nothing we can do about it. Quit fooling yourselves.

Your name should be SofaKing, as in that's such a SofaKing stupid thing to say. Ah, yes, the Brezhnev Doctrine. It's more immutable than the law of the Medes and Persians--and where are all of them now?
9 posted on 11/19/2012 11:19:14 PM PST by aruanan
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To: TigersEye; nickcarraway
[Article] "We should be looking out for our consumers and we should be looking out for our state and doing what's best for them," said Weatherford, R-Wesley Chapel.

Maybe they could be even more helpful by printing up some explanatory pamphlets like "Your Guide to the Gulag", "Why White Republicans and Allen West Must Die", and "How Death Panels Work".

Howell Raines, former editor of The New York Times (until he fell on his sword in the Jayson Blair faux-journalism scandal), warned us in a Conde Nast Portfolio article in October, 2008, that the GOP had already signed off, using American Enterprise Institute, Cato, and other RiNO-oriented think tanks as proxies, on the single-payer/NHS model.

Boehner has been playing Main Street Republicans for suckers ever since the 2010 election. The FIRST thing he did in the 2011 session was to change the entire Republican Caucus agenda from repealing Obamacare to picking a fight over debt limits and budget authority.

It was more important, you see -- because the business community has already signed off on National Death Panels as a way to dump their employee healthcare plans. Of course, executives will still have their swank, and separate, healthcare arrangements. The peasants can shuffle off to the leper colony for all they care.

10 posted on 11/19/2012 11:30:39 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: nickcarraway

Economic illiterates and gutless pansies. Republican politicians hard at work...


11 posted on 11/19/2012 11:43:15 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: aruanan

You’re fooling yourself.


12 posted on 11/19/2012 11:48:02 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: lentulusgracchus

Actions speak louder than words so I believe you are exactly right. It will be the end of modern health care and the long term destruction of our economy. So be it.


13 posted on 11/19/2012 11:55:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

Hasten it to its end.

No need for a 70 year experiment in communism that succeeding generations need to suffer through.


14 posted on 11/20/2012 12:06:00 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Indeed. One possible strategy would be to sign up for 0bamaCare, use it frequently (avoiding any invasive procedures) and file numerous complaints to the politburo about the practitioners. Run it into the ground.


15 posted on 11/20/2012 12:26:08 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: nickcarraway
That's only the beginning. If the Feds can set up a health insurance exchange in any state, what else will they claim to have the authority to set up?

A car insurance exchange (car accidents adversely affect your health); an exchange for federally mandated carbon credits (EPA), because carbon is bad for your health; an exchange for EPA and USDA approved organic food providers; an exchange for federally approved churches that perform 'gay marriages' and dole out free contraceptives; etc...

16 posted on 11/20/2012 12:40:50 AM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: TigersEye

I do believe the worst will be about the millions demanding useless surgery like butt injections, penile extensions, sex changes bust enhancements, and then the uproar of the no coverage for dental work, especially the free gold teeth.

They will flood the system like looters and find its all but an empty store, much like in the Soviet Union they will stand in line for hours only to buy a single radish.

I do agree though we can move its demise up in a shorter timespan. The fall of the United Socialists States of America will come very soon indeed.

And they do need a couple of socialist states.


17 posted on 11/20/2012 12:40:58 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Cicil War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Eye of Unk

You have a good point. We don’t need to do a thing to crash their program. They will do it so fast it will be hard to make our an appointment first.


18 posted on 11/20/2012 12:43:39 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye
Run it Running it faster into the ground.

There, fixed it. :)

19 posted on 11/20/2012 12:46:03 AM PST by Does so (Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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To: Does so

I think we’re forming a consensus here. lol


20 posted on 11/20/2012 12:48:35 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: AlmaKing

One could say the same about you.


21 posted on 11/20/2012 12:53:33 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: nickcarraway

Rick Scott has never been in favor of it, thats absurd.


22 posted on 11/20/2012 2:27:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Olog-hai

Just a question. If the states do not implement an insurance exchange then the federal government does it. So if the states opt out aren’t we inviting more federal government instead of less?


23 posted on 11/20/2012 2:29:05 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: driftdiver

Rick Scott is a prick. True story.


24 posted on 11/20/2012 2:34:26 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: nickcarraway

I hope that all of the statists that brought us 0bamacurse choke to death on it.


25 posted on 11/20/2012 2:36:24 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: My Favorite Headache

“Rick Scott is a prick. True story.”

I saw it on the internet so it must be true.


26 posted on 11/20/2012 3:01:25 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: chopperjc

Yes, the states have lost any independence.


27 posted on 11/20/2012 3:03:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TigersEye

Government systems never fail, they only cost more regardless of how poorly they meet their stated goal.

Govt systems are about control and power for the bureaucrats.


28 posted on 11/20/2012 3:05:23 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nickcarraway

Epic cave.


29 posted on 11/20/2012 3:39:50 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: nickcarraway

This is going to be a total disaster.


30 posted on 11/20/2012 3:49:27 AM PST by GnL
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To: nickcarraway
It is time to move on from the republican party. By 2016, they will be out of the closet, gay, abortion loving, fudge packing, gun grabbing, big government,high taxing, private property seizing tyrants... they are today but they are going public in 2013.

LLS

31 posted on 11/20/2012 4:47:16 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (I AM JOHN GALT)
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To: nickcarraway

The Republican Party is the party of spineless, weak kneed politicians who will sell out in a heartbeat.


32 posted on 11/20/2012 5:13:56 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: nickcarraway

The Republican Party is the party of spineless, weak kneed politicians who will sell out in a heartbeat.


33 posted on 11/20/2012 5:14:04 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: nickcarraway

They are Pubbies.
They fold.
That is what they do.
It is their nature.
They prefer being the minority, because being the majority is just too much stress.
And as the minority, they still get stuff.


34 posted on 11/20/2012 5:16:48 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: AlmaKing

“Communism is here to stay. There is nothing we can do about it. Quit fooling yourselves.”

Not as long as I draw breath. If you don’t fight them... you are them.

LLS

LLS


35 posted on 11/20/2012 5:19:51 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (I AM JOHN GALT)
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To: nickcarraway

We did not win the Senate, and we did not win the Presidency, and the law was already passed prior to the republican takeover of the House.

Here is what will happen.

First, big business was always the driver for Obamacare. They wanted out from under the huge expense and huge regulatory and man-hour requirements of providing health care for workers. There’s really no reason your employer should be providing your health care any more than they should be providing your car insurance.

They thought they wanted a clean business relationship of employer/employee. They think it will be better in the long run to pay extra taxes, fees, penalties or to find end-runs around Obamacare, such as employees working 29 hours or less and being part-time.

Therefore, with their extensive entanglement with governments local, state, and national, they will bring recalcitrant governments to heel until they get their wish of a European style company. So, expect governors and legislatures to cave.

What they also realize is that the expense is great. Following the European model, they will support calls for a Value Added Tax that will provide additional funds to government.

With all that in the book, they will use Germany as their model government, a government that values business, achievement, and tradition. Germany survives on quality goods with worldwide appeal, with tight labor laws, and with an acceptance of a meritocracy-based class system. It even elects occasion leaders who are “conservative”, meaning finacial conservatives.

So, look to Germany. I’m fairly convinced it’s the model being pursued by insiders, both republican and democratic.

In many ways, it’s a lenient society, but in others it is very restrictive.


36 posted on 11/20/2012 5:22:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: chopperjc

The Fed has no money for the exchanges... if the states refuse... ZEROcare fails.

LLS


37 posted on 11/20/2012 5:30:28 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (I AM JOHN GALT)
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To: SoConPubbie
Time for a recall effort on Governor Scott.

The state just went for Obama and the unpopular Rick Scott's up for reelection in 2014. Do not expect a recall threat, if one is even provided for under FL law, would prove beneficial to your cause. He's likely to face a very strong uphill battle to keep the governor's office out of Democrat hands.

38 posted on 11/20/2012 5:37:02 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: xzins

“So, look to Germany. I’m fairly convinced it’s the model being pursued by insiders, both republican and democratic.”

The Germany of 1933 is all they are after.


39 posted on 11/20/2012 5:49:31 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: FerociousRabbit

About some of them, I think you are absolutely right. Not the GOP-E, though, or any remaining blue dogs.

I think the Obama faction really does believe in the dictatorship of the proletariat with themselves in the role of dictator.

The GOP-E, on the other hand, is more oligarchical and really does see themselves, people like Ann Coulter all the way to Paul Ryan, as smarter than the rest of us, and therefore, born to be in charge.


40 posted on 11/20/2012 5:54:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: aruanan

The communist/dictatorial state comes after Obamacare. Communists don’t even have the social programs we have implemented in this country.


41 posted on 11/20/2012 5:58:13 AM PST by Robert Lomax
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To: Axenolith
"Republican politicians hard at work..."

Follow the money, always follow the money. The American Hospital Association is for the ACA. Scott ran a hospital company. Therefore Scott must be for the ACA. Simple logic. Why should anyone be surprised?

42 posted on 11/20/2012 6:02:47 AM PST by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: nickcarraway

The only way Obamacare will lower medical costs is by imposing rates.

Meanwhile college aid only pushes up the price of higher education at universities with multibillion dollar endowments.


43 posted on 11/20/2012 6:22:14 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Yes, I know the talking point. Unfortunately this is not true. It is an insurance co exchange. The subsidies have passed already.


44 posted on 11/20/2012 6:45:57 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: nickcarraway

not counting the startup costs the annual cost average is $74 million. For that money you could provide insurance to 12,000 people for about $500/month. A family of 5 only pays about $1200-1400/month for a top rated plan.

At $250/month/pp you’d give the same policy to 24,000 people. Wouldn’t it just be easier to fix the regulatory side without spending any money at all?

Why is the solution getting insurance, instead of increasing competition and access while lowering prices? We’re looking at the wrong end of the elephant.


45 posted on 11/20/2012 7:10:44 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: chopperjc
"Just a question. If the states do not implement an insurance exchange then the federal government does it. So if the states opt out aren’t we inviting more federal government instead of less?"

Can I add on to your question, please?

I understood that if the states set up the exchanges - the Federal govt will be in charge of them anyway - not the states. Is that true?

46 posted on 11/20/2012 8:07:10 AM PST by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
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To: LADY J

The states would have guidelines but they are in charge if they set them up


47 posted on 11/20/2012 8:26:47 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: nickcarraway

The ruling elite are confirming that liberty can be trumped by a clamoring mob.


48 posted on 11/20/2012 9:00:46 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

Fine, let the chattering mobs have their way. Institute a class action suit that requires ALL follow 0care, including politicians and unions. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.


49 posted on 11/20/2012 9:31:33 AM PST by gunner03
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To: chopperjc
The states would have guidelines but they are in charge if they set them up

Just like the Jews co-opted by the Nazis were in charge. They got on the railroad cars along with the other Jews.

50 posted on 11/20/2012 9:45:45 AM PST by bIlluminati (290 Reps, 67 Senators, 38 state legislatures - Impeach, convict, amend)
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