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German soldiers 'ready to defend Turkish-Syrian border'
The Local (Germany) ^ | 17 Nov 12 09:58 CET

Posted on 11/19/2012 3:06:00 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin

German soldiers and missiles seem likely to be posted to Turkey’s border with Syria soon. One report suggested the government was checking the legality of such a posting, ahead of a Turkish request expected on Monday.

The Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper reported on Saturday that government officials were discussing whether a parliamentary mandate would be needed to send the 170 soldiers which would be needed to staff two Patriot missile units as part of a NATO mission.

The Turkish government said ten days ago it wanted the air defence missiles for its border with Syria, where rockets from the civil-war-wracked country have killed several civilians.

As a NATO member, Turkey can call upon other members to help defend its borders and is expected to do so on Monday.

Only three NATO countries – the US, Netherlands and Germany - have the most advanced Patriot models, the PAC-3, which can be used against planes as well as rockets, the paper said.

And the German government is convinced it should contribute to such a NATO operation – Defence Minister Thomas de Maizière said as much on Thursday after a meeting with French, Polish, Italian and Spanish colleagues, the Süddeutsche Zeitung reported.

De Maizière stressed such an operation would only be to defend Turkey, and that German forces would not take any part in the Syrian civil war.

Initially, because the shift of rockets and soldiers would be within the NATO area, no parliamentary mandate would be needed to move them to Turkey, the paper said. But should the soldiers be in danger of becoming involved in fighting, such a mandate would be necessary – and the opposition could demand that in advance.

It remained unclear on Friday how many troops NATO would consider moving to Turkey. Germany’s airforce has 24 deployable units, each requiring 85 soldiers. A certain, secret, number of these are registered as ready for action as part of the NATO Response Force, and could be deployed within ten days of an order being given, the paper said.

Turkey's border with Syria has been the site of missile strikes and fighting linked to the Syrian civil war. The government has accepted hundreds of thousands of Syrian civil war refugees, but is having difficulty providing for them and has already asked Germany and other countries for help.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; germany; iran; iraq; israel; italy; kurdistan; lebanon; nato; netherlands; poland; spain; syria; turkey; waronterror

1 posted on 11/19/2012 3:06:04 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

It’s getting that time of the century for Germans to get itchy again.


2 posted on 11/19/2012 3:08:36 PM PST by chargers fan
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To: chargers fan
LOL Just what I was thinking.

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

3 posted on 11/19/2012 3:13:16 PM PST by Viking2002
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Germans defendingTurks? I will believe it when I see it. They are culturally... Unfriendly to each other, prat least during my four years there way back when it was West Germany.


4 posted on 11/19/2012 3:48:12 PM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Germany has been invaded by trouble-causing Turks for DECADES and now the insult is to require German boys to go over there PROTECT Turkey, thereby adding to this stupid imbroglio...?

RIDICULOUS....


5 posted on 11/19/2012 3:59:39 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Viking2002

Most countries have an army. In Germany, an army has a country.


6 posted on 11/19/2012 4:01:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The idea of a European Union soldier actually firing his weapon without fear of a lawsuit and trial in The Hague is downright laughable.


7 posted on 11/19/2012 4:08:20 PM PST by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: momincombatboots

They were allies during the “Great War.” So, there is precedent.


8 posted on 11/19/2012 4:11:38 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Only three NATO countries – the US, Netherlands and Germany - have the most advanced Patriot models, the PAC-3, which can be used against planes as well as rockets, the paper said.

Yep, and the Turks will change their import laws so they can confiscate this major end item. Anything in the country for over 180 days automatically becomes Turkish property. Back in '91, the Turks changed that to 90 days in an effort to confiscate a Patriot battery at Incirlik Air Base during GW1.

In the words of a young Turk: If you are not a Turk, you are the infidel, and the infidel has no right to property.

9 posted on 11/19/2012 4:13:09 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: teflon9

They could name it the Liman von Sanders Brigade.


10 posted on 11/19/2012 8:52:18 PM PST by gusty
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To: Sarajevo

“Back in ‘91, the Turks changed that to 90 days in an effort to confiscate a Patriot battery at Incirlik Air Base during GW1.”

Interesting, have a link or that?


11 posted on 11/19/2012 11:24:16 PM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda
No. I was there when it was happening.

Unknown to many, Incirlik is a joint US/Turkish air base.
After GW1, the Turks decided that they wanted a Patriot system, so they conveniently changed the law. We sequestered the entire battalion of equipment on the base behind wire and armed guards. One evening, the battery personnel arrived, checked their equipment, and drove down to Iskenderun Port and onto a Ro-Ro transport. The equipment was gone for three days before the Turks noticed. They threw a fit, but we told them that we didn't see a thing.

12 posted on 11/20/2012 4:55:10 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Sarajevo

Ah, I missed the “in an effort” in the previous post (: >)

Good story!

Can you publicly reflect (without giving important stuff away) on how tough it would be for them to get at our nukes at Incirlik? (or prevent us from removing them?)

I saw this recently:

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/10/turkish-press-leaks-that-70-u-s-nukes-are-deployed-in-turkey-2510380.html


13 posted on 11/20/2012 10:21:06 PM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda
That is disturbing.

When I was there in the early 90's, supporting Operation Provide Comfort, there were many restrictions on what could be brought into the country, and how long it could stay there. For major end items, it was 180 days. We were briefed that all Air Force aircraft were rotated out and replaced before day 179.
Back then, all cargo aircraft were required to have a Turkish officer aboard to ensure we weren't "arming the Kurds".
That having been said, I read in the article where the Turks aren't allowing them to depart the country. They just may be trying to pull the same stunt again. I have no doubt that a contingency operation may be pulled off to recover those weapons if they are in danger of being confiscated by the Turks. (I hope). The Turks are not our friends.

14 posted on 11/22/2012 4:23:19 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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