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Primary School Teachers 'Could Face Sack' For Refusing To Promote Gay Marriage [Faith Schools Too!]
Telegraph(UK) ^ | November 18, 2012 | John Bingham

Posted on 11/18/2012 10:27:16 AM PST by Steelfish

Primary School Teachers 'Could Face Sack' For Refusing To Promote Gay Marriage

By John Bingham 18 Nov 2012 Liz Truss, an education minister, refused to rule out the possibility that teachers, even in faith schools, could face disciplinary action for objecting on grounds of conscience.

Miss Truss said simply that it was impossible to know what the impact of the legislation would be at this stage.

Her admission came in a letter to a fellow Conservative MP, David Burrowes, last month.

Mr Burrowes, a practising Christian, originally wrote to Maria Miller, the equalities minister, raising concerns about the impact on schools of the Coalition’s plans to change the marriage laws.

It followed the publication of a legal opinion by Aidan O’Neill QC, a barrister in the same London chambers as Cherie Blair, commissioned by the Coalition for Marriage, which campaigns against same-sex unions.

Mr O’Neill, an expert on human rights, was asked to advise on the impact redefining marriage to include same-sex couples could have on schools, churches, hospitals, foster carers and public buildings. Among his conclusions was that schools could be within their statutory rights to dismiss staff who wilfully fail to use stories or textbooks promoting same-sex weddings.

Parents who object to gay marriage being taught to their children would also have no right to withdraw their child from lessons, he argued. And, in theory, the fact that a school was a faith school would make no difference, he added.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 11/18/2012 10:27:24 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish; Morgana

So they are mandated to pressure kids to accept homosexuality as normal...


2 posted on 11/18/2012 10:28:54 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

I will never understand how queers attained the power they now hold.

These sick ,mentally ill,perverts have taken away morality and replaced it with sick sex acts. They have displaced right with evil.

Why are heterosexuals putting up with this crap?

Now they want to adopt so they can raise new Homo’s.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 10:35:44 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

raise new homo’s...

isn’t that what schools and media is for?


4 posted on 11/18/2012 10:37:33 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish

My question is: Does “faith schools” include Muslim schools as well? That would be interesting to see.


5 posted on 11/18/2012 10:40:15 AM PST by hout8475
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To: GeronL

If ‘faith’ schools are required to also make this part of the curriculum, does this apply to Islamic Madrassah schools as well?

After all, we must be even-handed in how these things are applied. If the Islamic imams do not like it, they may have to disband the school, or return all their children to their country of origin for basic religious and/or academic instruction.


6 posted on 11/18/2012 10:45:33 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: Steelfish

Americans had better not take the right to homeschool their own children for granted, bcause we have the proof right before our eyes, of governments in “civilised” European countries taking that right away from parents.


7 posted on 11/18/2012 10:50:44 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Venturer
I will never understand how queers attained the power they now hold.

Through history homo's have gained power~~but at some point they get thrown back into the so called closet.
Why is that? Maybe they push too far? Demand to lower the age of consent to come after the kids?
At some point they will go too far~

8 posted on 11/18/2012 10:51:35 AM PST by Isabel2010
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To: Venturer

And still parents refuse to take the steps necessary to pull their kids out of the indoctrination centers (calling them schools is a misnomer) and teaching them correctly.

Plus, the feckless ‘leaders’ in Congress refuse to do their JOBS and put a stop to the BS; let alone order a complete dismantle to the whole Unconstitutional department.

I put the parents in the same camp as those that pay someone else to raise their children while they toil at a job now making 1/2 of what they did (cost of daycare) and wonder why their children grow up this way.

Days like this I’m glad I don’t have kids...


9 posted on 11/18/2012 10:53:43 AM PST by i_robot73
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To: Isabel2010

they have the power of the media. they almost own it. It is like owning a planet. It is the most incredible brainwashing tool in human history.

Politicians go along with them because they want to be on television as ‘good’ politicias. the media literally decides who will be elected and who not.


10 posted on 11/18/2012 10:55:54 AM PST by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: Venturer

Here is one possible reason: “In the latter days, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons”. I would think that, as an extrapolation, one could say that you don’t have to have first been one of the faith to listen to doctrines of demons.

Another thought: “Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse”

Satan is active in this world, orchestrating the powers of darkness.


11 posted on 11/18/2012 10:58:38 AM PST by langleyaction (Embedded within every corrupt system are the seeds of its destruction)
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To: Steelfish

It’s a madhouse!


12 posted on 11/18/2012 10:59:35 AM PST by Armaggedon
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To: Steelfish

Who will make the decision to sack anybody who refuses? It seems that everyone is saying “I don’t agree, but its the law.” Who proposed the law, and who will enforce it if the people reject it.


13 posted on 11/18/2012 10:59:35 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: GeronL

“...they are mandated to pressure kids to accept homosexuality as normal...”

It’s much worse than that.

The perverts are grooming the kids to become willing victims.

70% of “gays” were molested as children.

This is a recruiting campaign, not just a demand for acceptance.


14 posted on 11/18/2012 11:01:55 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Steelfish
I think Pink Floyd was on to something.....

Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall (HQ)

15 posted on 11/18/2012 11:07:07 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Steelfish
Okay, in the real world (I am a public school teacher) they can tell you that you are going to do this or that, but they rarely actually CHECK and see that you are doing this or that. An Administrator from the District may pop in a couple times a year with a clipboard, but be aware, these are people with a very short attention span and a massive sense of self-importance, so sitting quietly and observing is actually anathema to their restless little minds. They sit in your classroom for 10-15 minutes and then leave. Later your principal gets an email asking why your standards or objectives weren't written on the board, or if you've considered doing more groupwork. You tell the principal you'll be sure to put those standards up, and of course they do groupwork, they just weren't on that day. End of discussion.

In other words, they don't know if you comply unless you loudly announce that you will not comply. If they told me tomorrow that I had to teach using a short story on a wonderfully happy gay couple, depending on my view of the story, I could take it, nod gratefully, and ask if they have any quizzes or vocabulary lesson plans to go with it... and then stack it neatly in a cabinet, never to be seen again. Or I could use it and we'll use it as an opportunity to talk about propaganda and bias... or I could use it as they'd like me to, but as a teacher you have a lot of leeway. You just have to be tactful and discreet.

16 posted on 11/18/2012 11:07:07 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: alloysteel

Muslims seem to be exempt from everything


17 posted on 11/18/2012 11:09:52 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: paglia444

The plumbing doesn’t work, thus it is a perversion.

Do you deny my assertion that 70% of gays were molested as children?

“gay love” bull!

The rate of anonymous gay sex and child rape certainly puts the lie to that meme.


19 posted on 11/18/2012 11:23:21 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Venturer

I will never understand how queers attained the power they now hold.
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Why are heterosexuals putting up with this crap?

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Homosexuals are the ultimate insiders’ club; exclusive, fraternal, covert and bound by mutual self interest. Thus they can and do assist each other to positions of power, profit and prestige and these are the coin of influence. Along the way, they are among the most social of men, thus they circulate and circulation yields the opportunities to cherry pick protoges, identify weaknesses, and to compromise people via honey traps and seductions along myriad lines of weakness.

Subvert, possess, manipulate.

Have you not noticed how the Republicans only became completely ineffective after ‘Filegate’? Similar procedures enable an influence that goes far beyond apparent numbers.


20 posted on 11/18/2012 11:52:44 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

And if you have a principal who hates you or suspects you because you’re not towing (toeing?) the liberal line, you’ll get a lot more class observations. Don’t have tenure? You’re done.

If one of your students has a gay parent or a left-wing busybody parent, there will be complaints travelling up the chain, hell, complaints to the local press “I gave Ms. Lady a book to read to the class because Sam was feeling left out because there was no depiction of families like herm own - I told her Sam was feeling left out, but she never read it.”


21 posted on 11/18/2012 12:20:05 PM PST by heartwood
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To: heartwood

That sounds like private school. I should add as a disclaimer that I teach in the inner city. I have no parents that fit the description you just gave.


23 posted on 11/18/2012 12:22:59 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: heartwood
I should add that my experience (MY experience, only) so far has been that a principal will only hate you if you make his/her job harder by being unable to control your classroom. Most principals are exhausted, and most of them care more about upward mobility than any philosophical stance. If your classrooms are orderly and neat and you don't bug them with constant discipline problems and referrals, they won't care if you're teaching straight out of Stainless Steel Rat. JMHO. If your objectives align with the standards, your kids are in their seats, and your grades are in on time, they have more pressing issues.

But again, that's my experience: middle school, inner city, parents are teen gangsters or in jail, kid got shot at the bus stop, that sort of thing. I should always provide a disclaimer, I suppose. I forget not everyone's experiences are like mine. Mea culpa.

24 posted on 11/18/2012 12:27:57 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: paglia444
Shakespeare’s sonnets were love poems to a man!

"My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun;
Coral is far more red than her lips' red;
If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun;
If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head..." (Sonnet 130)

You sure?

25 posted on 11/18/2012 12:31:35 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

The first 89 or so; yes, I’m sure about those. Go take a gander.


26 posted on 11/18/2012 12:35:40 PM PST by paglia444
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To: paglia444

And I live in West Hollywood. You go into the bathroom in a gay bar, you are likely to interrupt two men having sex in the lady’s room (yes, this is from personal experience.) You go into the bathroom of a straight bar, they’re just barfing like normal people. ;^)


27 posted on 11/18/2012 12:36:09 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: paglia444; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Absolutely Nobama; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; Antoninus; ...
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Children should not even know about the existence of homosexual perversion or any other kind of perversion, nor should they be taught about normal sexuality in schools. Parents should teach their children about sexuality. Schools can teach biology, that's it. Paglia444 is a homosexual agenda promoting troll and hopefully will get the hook shortly. Paglia is saying the "gay is good" and "normal is evil".

28 posted on 11/18/2012 12:37:41 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Well, I could also share my own personal experience, which you apparently believe is sufficient basis to generalize about gay and straight people. I won’t drain Free Republic of bandwidth talking about my visits to bathrooms and what I see or don’t see.


29 posted on 11/18/2012 12:38:40 PM PST by paglia444
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To: mrsmel

We have guns here (and getting increasingly close to “nothing left to lose”).


30 posted on 11/18/2012 12:41:22 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: little jeremiah

LOL. I am not a “homosexual agenda promoting troll”! Where did I say that homosexuality should be taught in school? I said that I was prepared to defend keeping schools free of gay propaganda on the larger principle that schools are not the forum for adults to proselytize about politics.

And where did I say “normal is evil”? Are you saying that any deviation from the norm is, by default, evil.

I enjoy Free Republic for its intelligent (and humorous!) discussions of liberty, politics, the constitution, and faith, but I’m surprised at how small-minded and simplistic people get when a gay person walks into the room.


31 posted on 11/18/2012 12:41:54 PM PST by paglia444
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To: paglia444
We must both do as we see fit. I looked at Shakespeare's earlier sonnets and what came to mind is that he wrote plays for the theatre, at a time when women didn't act, and all women's roles were played by pretty young men. So if he developed a passion for an effeminate youth here or there, it can't be surprising. People are fairly malleable.

The fact remains that homosexual sex cannot reproduce the species, so it must be at best secondary in importance to heterosexual sex in nature's scheme of things.

I think the objection by many conservatives is that we have seen the progression of an agenda that first called for tolerance, then demanded acceptance, now pushes for celebration, and will soon expect preference. This is simply human nature, this desire to attain pre-eminence, but here it is in service of a lifestyle that seems to lead, at best, nowhere.

33 posted on 11/18/2012 12:45:41 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: steve86

Please self report yourself for abuse.

Some of us do allow our children to read Ree Republic and your language in this post is totally out of line, and against the rules of the forum.


34 posted on 11/18/2012 12:58:42 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

That’s how I feel.

In person would be more blunt and graphic.


35 posted on 11/18/2012 1:00:37 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

I really don’t care - you have violated the rules of the forum with your foul language. And you’ve been around long enough to know that.


36 posted on 11/18/2012 1:05:53 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

I can’t blame you for reporting it but did that expletive and slang bother you more than homosexual promotion / mandate does? /rhetorical question so I won’t look back for the reply


37 posted on 11/18/2012 1:22:59 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

I did not report it - I asked you to do so. I didn’t report it because it wasn’t directed at me.

As to your rhetorical question - both bother me. However, that you have no problem with breaking the rules of this forum bothers me even more than your public usage of foul language.


38 posted on 11/18/2012 1:27:53 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: G Larry

70% is probably an underestimate.


39 posted on 11/18/2012 1:34:31 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: paglia444; G Larry
Gay love has existed throughout history and in nearly every culture so it is hardly the “perversion” you claim.

So have theft and murder existed throughout history and in nearly every culture; but a long history does not excuse them from being perversions of healthy social deportment, either. Gay behavior is inherently harmful to society and to individuals. Doesn't matter when.

40 posted on 11/18/2012 1:37:08 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: paglia444
A principled stand for gays would be to recognize that morality, whether pro-gay or anti-gay, has no place in public schools.

Schools cannot be value neutral. The very idea of values neutral was invented by secular humanists to push their own standards. Morality cannot be separated from public life, and the false claim that it can is merely a backdoor method of promoting immorality in the name of "neutrality".

Oops, I see you've already been ushered out the door.

41 posted on 11/18/2012 1:38:59 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Gabz
Gabz, Have you not ever noticed that even the owner of the site breaks his own rules on occasion -- not that often -- when he gets angry enough at a liberal troll? Being afraid to show anger is a liberal thing. They claim to want to "coexist" -- except with social conservatives. The particular troll on this thread is not only a liberal but also a homosexual apologist and secularist.

People need to understand that our nation's decline is not going to be stopped with civility, politeness and niceties, nor even voting, evidently. What it will actually take to turn things around is yet to be determined. But sticking smilies on polite thread comments and deleting harsh ones isn't going to do it, I'm pretty well convinced.

42 posted on 11/18/2012 1:41:03 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: paglia444
Gay love has existed throughout history and in nearly every culture so it is hardly the “perversion” you claim.

It is true that all kinds of evils have existed since time immemorial, including sexual perversion. Doesn't make it normal, natural or beneficent.

43 posted on 11/18/2012 1:41:03 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: A_perfect_lady
... in West Hollywood. You go into the bathroom in a gay bar, you are likely to interrupt two men having sex in the lady’s room...

What? They looked up? Amateurs...

44 posted on 11/18/2012 1:42:25 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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I am apologizing to the straight people on this thread for the outburst LOL


45 posted on 11/18/2012 1:43:18 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: little jeremiah
Oops, I see you've already been ushered out the door.

Don't let it hit you. If that was you, Camille, I'd like to see you return under some other name; I've respected and admired much of what you have to say in many fields, but this is a private association and one needs to respect the ground rules here.

46 posted on 11/18/2012 1:47:47 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: steve86

The owner can break whatever rules he so desires, it is his site. I have no fear of getting angry with liberal trolls, I’ve done it plenty - but with language I would have no problem allowing my 14 year old to read. If I chose, I could make a seafarer blush with my vernacular, however I happen to not choose to stoop to the level of the liberal trolls.


47 posted on 11/18/2012 1:48:08 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: little jeremiah; paglia444

Oops, meant my last post for paglia444.

Ex-poster.


48 posted on 11/18/2012 1:50:08 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: Albion Wilde

I wanted to see what other comments paglia had made, but the purple error was already up. I wonder it was was Camille P or someone using her name.


49 posted on 11/18/2012 1:50:30 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: paglia444
Gay love has existed throughout history and in nearly every culture so it is hardly the “perversion” you claim.

Quite true. But then so has any perversion you might care to name. Assuming you would consider any behavior to qualify as a perversion.

The issue is that in the vast majority, though not all, of these societies "gay love" was thoroughly in the closet, not out and proud. Very often it was a severely punished crime.

If we took a poll of all humans who have ever lived, the huge majority would vote for gay love being a perversion.

That's not perhaps the best way to settle such issues, but it makes more sense than a recent, two or three decades long fad for acceptance and celebration in a few decadent western countries being touted as the norm, and all other previous human behavior the exception./I

50 posted on 11/18/2012 1:51:09 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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