Skip to comments.Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 18 November 2012
Posted on 11/18/2012 4:46:46 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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You are right Rock. I heard millions stayed home. Enough to lose it for us.But, I also red several places where between powell and the fat basturd of NJ it could have cost us two points,that we could not afford to lose.
What do you think about Marco for 2016?
It is my guess that the false narrative, regarding the video, was concocted early on, in the situation room by Clapper, Petraeus boss. I also think that it was Clappers idea to blame Petraeus for the bad security information."
On it. And what plays into that so well, was Levin's hedge hedge hedge performance on ABC, and King hinting you know we're not to the bottom of this yet, ie The Preezy could be still called to testify.
Note Drudge is showing renewed interest...Rush was all over it Thurs.-Fri.
I feel the sense if we play this out just right, this will be a lame-duck administration from Day 1...
Thanks for thread A.B. Maybe the Tide will play in big game afterall.
So okay, as is my wont, I will give the pubs free advice.
Say it, over and over and over and over and over....”FOUR AMERICANS DIED”.
Even if it gets boring, say it again and again. Cause for sure the admin or Dems will NOT mention this very important factoid if they don’t have to.
But you know, I have NO faith at all in those pubs, especially with Graham and Mumbles McCain as the spokesnoids.
I think Benghazi will blow over for the American’s infamous short attention span and lack of opposition party stamina.
I think that Benghazi is about something way more sinister than a bad aura over status of terrorism before an election, I think there’s treason and outright murder in the midst of it.
I would like to think that there’s pubs, somewhere, who think it horrible that a sitting President allowed Americans to die for a campaign contribution, for an attempt to fake news, for whatever gosh darn reason than to save them. I’d like to think the pubs, maybe even some Dems (though Feinstein dashed those hopes this morning) might consider that if allow our President to kill Americans for political opportunism, how many will a future President Holder and VP Susan Rice kill during their term?
In short as I get a bit boring, I don’t think the pubs will do anything besides give Graham and McCain some TV face time, play it out for all they can get, then move on.
Dad not too bad but feeling a bit wiped out. I am about today but my broadband keeps going down
There's one totally imponderable question in all of this: Who came up with the "offensive video" excuse...and why?
I seriously doubt it was Clapper. Why would the Director of Intelligence even know about an obscure video posted on You Tube since July that had seen fewer than a thousand hits?
Indeed, who in the administration would have reason to know about an obscure video that ridiculed Islam and bore the amateurish signature of a Pallywood-style propaganda piece -- which had been produced and posted on YouTube for no apparent purpose?
By definition, wouldn't that be somebody who was familiar with the video from its production?
And who might that be? Wouldn't it be somebody whose primary interest was in improving the administration's "outreach" to the Muslim Brotherhood? Somebody who recognized that the video had value as a "provacateur" device?
I think maybe I'd start with Huma Abedin. Or Valerie Jarrett.
Sound nice I like shrimp but am a bit nervous of cooking it scared I would under cook but know in reality I would overcook. Thanks for your prayer for dad I am sticking to chicken today as this will be good for his low blood count.
You can but you will wind up in axelrod’s office....
Dad is feeling a bit under the weather after bad nose bleed and 2 transfusions. Hoping some roast chicken and parsnips will cheer him up.
Umm Bobby, that exactly the campaign the GOP establishment insisted we had to run in 2012 and you got your asses handed you by the worst President in a century. Maybe the GOP establishment should be asking themselves why, despite running their fantasy "perfect" GOP Establishment fiscal conservative/social liberal candidate in Romney, the GOP turned out 5 million fewer voters in 2012 then they did in 2004?
Look forward to hearing further developments
The lack of security for Consulate in Benghazi and personal protection for Ambassador, as well as abandoning the 40+ US staff to weather the 7 hours of invasion alone, is reminiscent of the scene in Godfather when Michael goes to the Hospital to see his dad and finds no guards, no help and actual complicity by “the authorites” to set Brando out for the buzzards to pick clean.
Totally unacceptable. Time to play like Michael did.
The Administration knew Libya/Benghazi was a powderkeg ready to explode .... they were just riding the “al-Quaeda defeated/it’s all good in Libya” pony as hard as they could, trying to get past election day without it blowing up so Obama could tout his foreign policy/Osama killing .... it was the only real ‘positive’ he had since the economy was/is still in the tank. I think those plotting strategy for the campaign had addressed what in the heck they would do if something like the consulate attack happened BEFORE election day (like on the anniversary of 9/11*) ... how would they handle it? Somebody came up with a ‘protest caused it’ idea and they went out looking for something that maybe could spark one .... somebody got lucky and found that video which had hardly any hits for months, but could be twisted into a narrative to reduce a terrorist attack down to something that could be managed and not kill Obama’s re-election.
Then, it happened .... the terrorists didn’t wait until after election day &, on the anniversary of 9-11, they killed 4 Americans. The video meme was waitng to be employed and it was, quickly and relentlessly. It was the pro-active strategy that had been pre-planned for just such an event, sort of like the “countermeasure flares” that are deployed by aircraft when missiles are fired at them ... the missiles are hopefully diverted by/hit the flare(s), not the plane. The Obama admin is now out of ‘flares’ ... but the missiles of truth were diverted long enough for him to be re-elected.
*They didn’t do the obvious to avoid/survive an attack because beefing up security would be a tacit admission that Obama’s bragging that a-Q were ‘on their heels’ was not in fact the truth on the ground.
That is always the GOP's excuse when it comes to fighting the Dems. They saidrthe same thing after they the 2010 midterms when they had all of the momentum. They failed to achieve not one cent in spending cuts and passed the largest increase in the debt ceiling in history. Instead, spending continues to increase and the absolute best outcome we can expect from the "Grand Bargain" is a reduction of $4 trillion in deficit spending meaning that we will still add $6 trillion to the national debt during that period.
I don't hold out much hope of any spending cuts. It will be more smoke and mirrors using accounting gimmicks and putting off any real spending cuts until many years out leaving it to future Congresses. Both parties want the spending binge to continue, which will be an inevitable disaster.
Okay, let me state it in summary if you will allow:
-We agree that the administration lied with the information they gave out up to and including that horrible Obama talk to the UN when he asserted that the future did not belong to those who would insult the Profit Mohammed?
-we agree that Amb. Rice agreed, probably for a promise of Sec/State, to go out and be the big dummbbell that would carry the water?
—we agree that four Americans died and every chance they get, the pubs should mention this fact?
—we agree that the so-called CIA Talking points did NOT change themselves no matter how much they shall pee upon our feet and tell us it’s raining. The Blue Blood GOP has to sit around like big dolts discussing how the talking points could have changed themselves, like such a thing is possible, they must discuss in front of our mocking eyes till THEY reach agreement, which might be who knows when?
What we do NOT yet agree on is WHY?
I mean let the Blue Blood boobs sit and discuss the silly, one of these days the Tea Party will suddenly go spinning into space on its own, so we must be ready.
-—finally...well I think we mostly know that it was either Jarrett or one of those illegally in control of our country, we know it, the Blue Blood GOP prolly knows it, the UN knows it, Israel knows it, France knows it, the Muslim Brotherhood knows it...dear Lord....can we get on with this?
Somebody make a decision.
Rice was the most reliable and loyal. And being black and female, she was the perfect choice to take the slings and arrows. Already the Dems in Congress are blaming criticism of Rice as being racist and sexist. And let’s face it, Rice could just say that she was reciting the intel community’s talking points. Biden did the same thing in his debate with Ryan. Lots of finger pointing without any accountability.
They are still counting the votes. Right now, Romney has 59,142,004 votes. He will no doubt surpass McCain's almost 60 million and could beat the Bush total of 62 million in 2004.
I’ve been at church...
Bray, you never sent me one; now I understand.
God Bless you, Patriot!
She looked like the Wily Coyote. I expected to see a box in the background labeled, "ACME Story Fabricator; Model X2000".
Now she has gone on and on about the long tours...Hey, it s Obama.
Hey, long tours are what happened when Billary spent the Peace Dividend in the 1990's and reduced the size of the active duty military from 1.7 million to 1.1 million.
Before that, National Guard units were activated ..... sometimes. Now it seems they spend more time active than inactive.
This is one of those rare elections in which turnout in every state in the nation went down,” Gans said.
Jindal is my governor. Some Conservative media has foolishly been pushing the line that Jindal is some great Conservative. He's instincts and allegiance is strictly with the GOP-e
When I have time I will think back and write a full expose explaining in detail how Jindal is NOT a strong conservative. He has done many things that had conservatives pulling out their hair.
Remember, he came out of college and went right to work for the Federal government.
Jindal can parrot conservative principles quit well. The key point about Jindal is that he has NOT internalized a true belief in limited government or a view that government is a necessary "evil." Jindal would govern more like the Bush's.
FOR WHAT GODAWFUL REASON ARE ROCKETS BEEN SHOT AT ISRAEL FROM THE GAZA STRIP....WHY? WHY? WHY?
Some US hating radical will be SecState, whether its Rice or not.
It sure sounds like your daughter and her husband are trying their very best...You NEED to help them now for the sake of their marriage and your grandaughter! This is the type of help that is “time dependent”, meaning you can’t go back years later to correct it. If it helps them stay together, afloat and the child is helped, its all worth it!
I can’t count the number of times my mother helped get me through college financially when it was hard for me. She was so proud when I got my degrees. She wanted to see that piece of paper more than a new dress or an extra vacation.
there is a very fine line between love and co-dependency and mother’s get the benefit of the doubt on every move!
My mother, may her soul rest in peace, always had these great sayings she made up...You will love this one:
“What you can fix with money is not so bad.” ...meaning that there are a lot of problems that no amount of money will cure and THOSE are real problems.
BTW, is your son in law a veteran>?If so, he can go for groups at the Va for free that can take the place of community classes for his license.The state will accept that.
and the Libs are still not funding the VA enough!!!!!!!!
Phony liars and hypocrites!
what about Marco/West...The Libs heads would explode!
some idiot( Barbar Starr of Cnn ) on Cindy “Crawly’s” CNN show just said, “ There are always situations where terrorists will hit and you always can’t get someone, the military, from TEXAS to get them.” HUH??????
CNN...the libs referring to “needless spending cuts” HUH???
This begs the question as to why she was selected in the first place since this had nothing to do with the UN and her job. I suspect she was chosen because she is female, black and without personal integrity.
But it might be that she came up with the idea of the video-to-blame vaudeville in the first place.
Somebody in the admin had to have found it under a rock — maybe one of her favored colleagues at Turtle Bay (the Pakistani ambassador!!) brought it to her attention back in the summer.
For a shell game you need someone to bring a pea and someone to bring a shell.
That idiot Colin Powell doing radio and tv spots one after another for zero and the worst of all the fat basturd from NJ who single handedly threw the race making zero look bi-partisan.I can’t wait til the rinos nominate either one for potus.....
You are absolutely correct! I took note.....not that it did any good:o(
We lost because 3 million Repubs who voted for McCain never turned out.
That is always the GOP’s excuse when it comes to fighting the Dems. They saidrthe same thing after they the 2010 midterms when they had all of the momentum. They failed to achieve not one cent in spending cuts and passed the largest increase in the debt ceiling in history. Instead, spending continues to increase and the absolute best outcome we can expect from the “Grand Bargain” is a reduction of $4 trillion in deficit spending meaning that we will still add $6 trillion to the national debt during that period.
I don’t hold out much hope of any spending cuts. It will be more smoke and mirrors using accounting gimmicks and putting off any real spending cuts until many years out leaving it to future Congresses. Both parties want the spending binge to continue, which will be an inevitable disaster.
There won’t be any spending cuts. Not real ones.
And any extra dough they get they’ll just use to run up record new deficits and debt.
The spiral down now is just about irreversible—save for a new political party.
Of course, those numbers can still turn around as the final wave of votes are officially reported from various states across the country.
As it stands now, President Obama received 50 percent of the popular vote compared to Romney's 48 percent, according to CNN. Obama netted approximately 59.9 million votes, while his Republican challenger got about 57.2 million.
The current totals are Obama 62,615,406 votes (51%) and Romney 59,142,004 votes (48%). Go to the CNN election central and see the totals nationally and by state. CA has only reported 81% of its vote and Ohio 90%. There are millions of votes to be added to these totals.
The trend for Obama was across the board: fewer votes in all swing states. However, the Republicans were able to increase the votes for Romney in seven of the nine states. However, those two states were big: Ohio and Pennsylvania although the Obama losses were much larger.
Republican differences in the swing states:
And there are still more votes to count. The reality is that Obama had far larger losses of votes and Romney did better than McCain where it counted. Moreover, in states like Montana, IN, MO, and ND, he did far better than the GOP Senate candidates.
“They failed to achieve not one cent in spending cuts and passed the largest increase in the debt ceiling in history. Instead, spending continues to increase and the absolute best outcome we can expect from the “Grand Bargain” is a reduction of $4 trillion in deficit spending meaning that we will still add $6 trillion to the national debt during that period.”
That is why so many Republicans stayed home.
When all the votes are counted I don’t think the meme that the Reps stayed home will turn out to be true.
yup..a lot of the Fl conservatives are not so thrilled anymore with Rubio.
I ask everyone’s indulgence and forbearance for combining my comments to several people in one post. Not feeling well either, snugs, so I hope you’ll understand my effort to conserve some energy.
1. First, snugs, my presence here has been a bit intermittent so it is so good to see you here again! Seeing your name evokes so many memories of past threads from more hopeful times, when in addition to discussing issues we were treated to pics of those mouthwatering recipes from the loveliest, classiest “Cheney chick” I ever had the privilege of meeting... /g
I regret the difficulties your Dad is enduring, but am thankful, as I know he is, that he has such a wonderful daughter to help him through his trials. You have my deepest respect and admiration. I will keep you both in my prayers that God’s Blessings will continue to be with you and strengthen and comfort you both.
2. bray, congratulations on your win. I likewise greatly admire you for all your efforts in fighting to preserve our country, and hope this new position will enable you to even more effectively take the fight to the enemy. Keep up the good fight, as I know you will!
3. rodguy911, always a pleasure to see you and share ideas. My comment here is re: Petraeus you’ve mentioned here. What we’re seeing is a purge of our top military command officers by the Obama regime in order to remove any whose absolute personal loyalty to him may be in doubt.
Unlike many here I’ve never been a fan of Petraeus. His COIN military doctrine and insane ROI’s (Rules of Engagement) have always been fatally flawed and have gotten far too many of our people killed and mangled. His “surge victory” was essentially a PR confabulation, and trying to apply it to Afghanistan has been suicidal.
That said, that fact he and several other top command officers are being set up and removed sets up a truly dangerous situation for our country. The US military has been one of the last remaining institutions of our government which has retained the respect of most of the people, and if Obama is able to successfully destroy that bond of trust between our military and the populace then he’ll be free to remove those who still honor their oaths to the Constitution and replace them with his toadies.
This strategy of purging their military commands of principled officers worked well for Hitler and Stalin, the only difference is we aren’t shooting ours... yet, just disgracing them and destroying their careers and credibility should they try to come forward and tell the truth about things. This is a truly dangerous situation, as has been discussed in some of the info I sent you earlier.
4. AB! - as always, my thanks to you for providing this thread and oasis of sanity and civility on FR. I’ve met some of the finest folks I’ve known right here, and thoroughly enjoyed the company and discussion. For those whose names I don’t list here, know that you are many and you are all appreciated.
I will try to visit when I can, but my health and strength is failing and when I finally fade away I wanted to make sure I’d told you how much I’ve appreciated the privilege of getting to know you and everyone here and being allowed to participate in such fine company. God Bless you all, and God Bless America.
I like Jindall and he might just be a good VP candidate. But I don’t see hm as presidential.
I gotta tell ya I was just flabbergasted,thoghtnot totally since it was linda,that graham refused to rule out approving rice for Sec. State. This guy is totally gutless.I don’t care how conserative he sounds two years from election time.
We are all still hung over from the election,longest hangover ever.
Yeah!! That would be some ticket!!
Yeah Sarah was MIA this time and we see the result.
I have been criticized for demanding charisma in top people but when you take it away you see what happens.
So who then Tom give me your best charismatic household name candidate for our side who is ready to go “now” and can spend four years running.?Who is he/she?