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Congress demands EPA’s secret email accounts
The Washington Times ^ | Saturday, November 17, 2012 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 11/17/2012 10:15:51 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

A House committee has launched an investigation into whether EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson used an email alias to try to hide correspondence from open-government requests and her agency’s own internal watchdog — something that Republican lawmakers said could run afoul of the law.

The science committee has asked Ms. Jackson to turn over all information related to an email account under the name of “Richard Windsor,” which is one of the aliases identified by a researcher looking into the EPA.

The committee has also asked the White House’s lawyer and EPA’s inspector general to look into the matter and report back by the end of this month, saying that the secret email accounts could have been used to keep key information from official watchdogs as well as the public.

EPA did not respond Friday night to a request for comment.

The researcher who uncovered the “Richard Windsor” alias email, Christopher Horner, has repeatedly battled the administration over its global warming efforts.

Earlier this year he his colleagues at the Competitive Enterprise Institute sued to demand the release of emails from “secondary” accounts from EPA, and cited a memo saying the practice began during the Clinton administration under then-administrator Carol Browner.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alias; aliases; billclinton; browner; carolbrowner; christopherhorner; climatechange; clinton; email; emailalias; energy; epa; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; horner; lisajackson

1 posted on 11/17/2012 10:15:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: All

H/T to the Drudge Report.


2 posted on 11/17/2012 10:20:30 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I wish them luck. But emails can be erased or otherwise destroyed.


3 posted on 11/17/2012 10:22:15 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Congress needs to hire Gibbs. He, Abby and McGee find out this kind of stuff all the time on NCIS.


4 posted on 11/17/2012 10:23:10 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: txnativegop

“I wish them luck. But emails can be erased or otherwise destroyed.”

It’s not as easy as destroying a hard drive.


5 posted on 11/17/2012 10:27:23 PM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: Gil4

If they are stored on a server? simply replace the server, problem of pesky emails solved.


6 posted on 11/17/2012 10:29:42 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: txnativegop
I wish them luck. But emails can be erased or otherwise destroyed.

You can bet multiple run, Pro delete programs are running like crazy right now.
Since it's Rats, no questions will be asked about the complete deletes with no info left on hard drives.
Count on it.

7 posted on 11/17/2012 10:30:20 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: txnativegop

Not really. “Dick Windsor” has been outed. The email account is now a game for internet guru’s.


8 posted on 11/17/2012 10:35:55 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How long before a EPA Data Center mysteriously goes up in smoke?


9 posted on 11/17/2012 10:36:34 PM PST by matt04
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To: txnativegop

All e-mails leave the US. That way all e-mails are subject to search without a warrant.


10 posted on 11/17/2012 10:38:19 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: txnativegop

I’ll bet google still has copies .


11 posted on 11/17/2012 10:43:02 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Nothing will come of this and the public won’t hear about it.


12 posted on 11/17/2012 10:45:41 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Energy Prevention Agency needs to be shut down.


13 posted on 11/17/2012 10:48:12 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Idiots.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394036/China-targeted-White-House-Gmail-hacking-Hillary-Clinton-calls-threat-serious.html

“Darrell Issa, Republican chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, told the Wall Street Journal ‘If all White House officials were following rules prohibiting the use of personal email for official business, there would simply be no sensitive information to find. ‘Unfortunately, we know that not everyone at the White House follows those rules and that creates an unnecessary risk.”


14 posted on 11/17/2012 10:49:36 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: eyedigress

You bet and there are many other ways to find those emails.


15 posted on 11/17/2012 11:03:44 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: matt04

EPA would have to fine itself for the carbon emissions.


16 posted on 11/17/2012 11:16:32 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Congress? You morons think anything you say matters any more? You've ceded all power to Obama. So sorry. Take your kickbacks and shut up. Don't bore us with your posturing, you corrupt azzholes.
17 posted on 11/18/2012 1:13:50 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Once Holder was held in Contempt of Congress and laughed it off, Congressional impotence was exposed. With a lawless Administration and a corrupt Department of Justice, the only real power Congress has is the power of the purse and Boehner has been unwilling to use it. Unless the GOP House is willing to cut off the money, Obama will make the GOP increasingly irrelevant.
18 posted on 11/18/2012 2:33:08 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What are they hiding?


19 posted on 11/18/2012 3:52:40 AM PST by Thebaddog (Obama won, we lost)
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To: txnativegop

Not forever and if our name is Ms. Jackson I am sure you don’t have a clue as to how to accomplish this


20 posted on 11/18/2012 4:36:27 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Truth29

Bonehead needs to go and we need a unrelenting gadger to take his place if we are even going to have a fighting chance.


21 posted on 11/18/2012 4:42:43 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: txnativegop

The bigger problem is that having found out about these accounts - months ago - nobody sent a cop with handcuffs to put people into jail for abuse of their power as government employee. If the congress “worked” avoding the law would not look like a “who cares” situataion, it would like like - “if you do this you end your life as a gainfully employed memember of society.” Heck, most of the people do bad things and go to work on wall street or in Media for twice their goverment pay. Make government effective and end this crap.


22 posted on 11/18/2012 4:57:17 AM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: ronnie raygun
"Bonehead needs to go and we need a unrelenting gadger to take his place if we are even going to have a fighting chance."

Well, Boehner is going to be Speaker in the next Congress. There is no effective challenge to him so we will once again be faced with the question if there is any hope for conservatives staying in the GOP.

23 posted on 11/18/2012 5:10:54 AM PST by Truth29
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To: ronnie raygun

The speaker has a mandate, equal to or perhaps greater than the President.


24 posted on 11/18/2012 5:18:03 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The EPA issues fat wad against the American people.


25 posted on 11/18/2012 5:27:52 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Lisa Jackson. Another member of Obama’s mocha mafia making war on America’s private sector producers who just happen to be.....white guys (for the most part, some Asians and Hispanics) I have a nephew in oil and gas. I’m sure there are zero blacks in his office but a few Asians crunching numbers. The petro-engineering department at his university was full of Asians with Indians and Chinese the most. I am sure there are lots Mexicans etc humping it in the oil and gas fields doing rough stuff, the physical work. Lots of Mexicans/Hispanics in our farm sector so I give them credit for producing. In my minds eye I can’t see very many blacks in agriculture or energy production


26 posted on 11/18/2012 5:37:37 AM PST by dennisw ( The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
also asked the White House’s lawyer and EPA’s inspector general to look into the matter and report back by the end of this month

I'm sure they'll get right on that. The end of the month will come and go, the Republicans will ask for the report, the Dems will say "what report?", end of story, life goes on.
27 posted on 11/18/2012 5:38:54 AM PST by 762X51
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To: Thebaddog

They’re hiding the fact that they are Legislating, appropriating and governing beyond the scope of their agency.


28 posted on 11/18/2012 5:46:14 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: txnativegop

Is the server backed up? Is the server on site? Can key emails be found on the receiving server?


29 posted on 11/18/2012 10:17:17 AM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: Gil4

And if they are password protected/encrypted? You still can not get to them and therefore they simply do not exist.


30 posted on 11/18/2012 10:30:42 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

EPA has Secrets? Have they elevated themselves to also have some kind of National Security function?

TT


31 posted on 11/18/2012 1:49:21 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: txnativegop

My understanding was it was fake government email accounts. Probably not encrypted or encrypted using a fake PKI token. If the message still exists somewhere, it’s likely the court can get the private and the public key.


32 posted on 11/18/2012 5:54:35 PM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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33 posted on 11/19/2012 4:39:05 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Gil4
Probably not encrypted or encrypted using a fake PKI token. If the message still exists somewhere, it’s likely the court can get the private and the public key.

Not sure what you mean by fake. There are two or more private keys involved. One for the sender so the sender can store an encrypted copy in the sent mailbox. Another for each recipient who uses it to decrypt the email which the sender encrypted with the recipient's public key (public keys are useless to a court). But most private keys are stored in the person's OS and have to be exported to a file to be given to a court. They can be marked as nonexportable when created in which case they cannot be given to a court.

34 posted on 11/19/2012 5:32:23 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

Sorry, I should say the sender’s private key is so the sender can decrypt the email in the sent box (it was encrypted with the sender’s public key).


35 posted on 11/19/2012 5:34:28 PM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

Fake tokens was a bad way to put it - I was thinking about the alt tokens that admins have, but those aren’t linked to email.

Each email account has a set of keys, one public, one private. The public keys are published with the address listings. All the private keys are centrally (securely*) stored by the issuing authority. You might have a password on your Outlook pst folder, but that’s the extent of the protection. (It’s probably something easily cracked.)

Someone might have two current sets of keys - they might have one set for a personal account and one set for an organizational account. Or they might know someone who will set up a bogus account for them, but if they got a set of encryption keys, those keys are centrally held and if the court wants to know what’s in the emails, there is a hight probability they can find out.

My guess is they thought they were cute enough by having the second account and didn’t even bother with the keys, but that’s just my guess.


36 posted on 11/19/2012 9:34:10 PM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: Gil4
All the private keys are centrally (securely*) stored by the issuing authority

No. Typically the private key is generated in your browser and the certificate authority signs the public key in a cert request. There are other authentication schemes where a server keeps a private key and sends it to your email client when it is needed, but are not standard PKI.

If you decide to buy an email cert from verisign or someone else, they do not ever touch or see your private key.

37 posted on 11/20/2012 2:11:21 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

DoD must do it differently than Verisign, because I know if I need one of my expired keys to open an old encrypted email, I can go recover it at a certain .mil site. I can see a list of all of the keys I have ever had at that site (back to 2003).

I have done it several times and I help people do it all the time.


38 posted on 11/20/2012 7:52:46 AM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: Gil4
I just looked it up and you are correct, the private key is generated and escrowed on the server, then sent to your CAC card.

But I don't think that would apply to government in general, probably just DoD. Also if some rogue FDA official were covering his/her tracks by encrypting, they certainly would not do it with an escrowed key. They would use a PGP key or a PKI private key that they generate and hang on to (they can also back it up securely, so losing it is not a problem, and thus one of the DoD arguments for escrow is simply a red herring).

39 posted on 11/20/2012 9:46:05 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Won't the cost of her environMENTALism jack up the prices on Lisa Jackson's favorite snack cakes?

She's both Too Big To Fail and a certified member of the looter/moocher class, so she more than qualifies for a Twinkie bailout.

40 posted on 11/20/2012 11:03:39 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: palmer
You're right, I don't know what the rest of the federal government does. I initially assumed they did something similar to DoD, but that might not be the case

I really think you're still operating under the assumption that we're dealing with smart, tech-savvy people. I have serious doubts. Some of it sounds like they just did government email over personal GMail accounts. These days it might not even take a subpoena to get the info from Google.

41 posted on 11/20/2012 3:37:53 PM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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