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The Gathering Storm
Townhall.com ^ | November 17, 2012 | Paul Greenberg

Posted on 11/17/2012 12:57:01 PM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 11/17/2012 12:57:10 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

the Pal-Hamassholes are releasing TV propaganda directed towards Israeli citizens, threatening to come and kill them in their beds at night (again)

The Israelis should take any and all such terrorist cell operatives and string them up to the lamp posts and skin them alive , in public . Then leave them there . This would be deterrence. Find out who the families of the terrs are and target their homes for complete destruction with air strikes as well . Make the cost so high not even the most avid Muz fanatic is willing to bear it .
Public and immediate hanging , by the settlers in the settlements of any captures terrs should be allowed . An Uzi in the hands of EVERY non-Arab Israeli citizen , including non-Jews .


2 posted on 11/17/2012 1:14:20 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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Behind the scenes, despite all the bellicose talk from their leaders, Egyptian and Turkish envoys, at the urging of American ones, may yet get Hamas to call off its attacks
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Hamas will call off attacks IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT. America will have to pony up millions for this, and the money will only be used to acquire more rockets for future use.


3 posted on 11/17/2012 1:21:25 PM PST by Starboard
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To: LeoWindhorse

One side must win and win totally. It may well mean that the Israelis must go Roman and enslave and crush all resistance. Not good but this policy of land for peace has failed us. The Jews must win or be killed. That is how this has played out. Both sides are wrong-—there is enough guilt for all. But One must win and one must lose—and lose in such a way that revenge isn’t possible for a hundred years.


4 posted on 11/17/2012 1:23:51 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Kaslin
Re: “The Great Silence”

Curious timing, don't you think?

Hamas dramatically escalated its rocket assault on Israel roughly 24 hours after Obama’s reelection.

I don't recall hearing a single comment about this from the MSM, from the political pundits, or from the GOP leadership.

5 posted on 11/17/2012 1:25:25 PM PST by zeestephen
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Re: “Both sides are wrong.”

Vehemently disagree, Brigade.

In the here and now, Hamas deliberately targets Israeli citizens.

Israel targets ONLY terrorist leaders, and it does everything possible to avoid civilian casualties.

In Israel, 20% of the voting citizens are Palestinians.

In Palestine, any Jew would be murdered instantly.

In 1948, the founding documents of Israel guaranteed citizenship and property rights to Palestinians who lived within the UN mandated borders of Israel.

The founding documents of the PLO and Hamas openly call for the destruction of Israel and the removal of all Jews.

6 posted on 11/17/2012 1:37:15 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

go roman???

wow...

there is no guilt for Israel in this war, your insistance that there must be is a sign of your ignorance or immorality on the issue


7 posted on 11/17/2012 1:59:02 PM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Both sides are wrong-—there is enough guilt for all.

Utter BS. Moral relativism will be the downfall of the Western World - again.

8 posted on 11/17/2012 2:06:25 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Make the cost so high not even the most avid Muz fanatic is willing to bear it

Not when they believe that death in battle will bring them to Allah.
The high cost may only be to kill them all and eradicate their religion from the planet.
And I do agree with eradicating the Islam cultists and their religion from the planet.
Every damn one of them! It is because that is what they want to do to the world.

9 posted on 11/17/2012 2:12:28 PM PST by MaxMax
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Well, Moose do care about their progress in the Conquer the Planet campaign. Dampen that down, as the early American hostilities in response to 9/11 did, and that dampens their ardor. BUT, it has to be maintained as a policy. It can’t be hit and run, or they only get bolder after the run.


10 posted on 11/17/2012 2:25:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: facedown

Moose are a much wronger wrong right now. But the Western World is forgetting what it had once been about, and THEN moral relativism comes remarkably close to candor.


11 posted on 11/17/2012 2:27:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Kaslin
Nothing says "time to die!" like a 2000 lb bomb.

If they put a couple loosely-targeted dumb bombs on every suspected enemy hangout it would put the fear of G-d into the people who get out in the street and celebrate terrorist acts like 9-11 or Fallujah.


12 posted on 11/17/2012 2:42:55 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Kaslin

This rather simplistic and superficial article overlooks the paramount fundamental fact.

History is a process, not an event.

The media template called “The Arab Spring” will take decades to sort its self out to stability. The destruction of one Iranian surrogate in Gaza will dissipate the Iranian mischief in the region


13 posted on 11/17/2012 2:44:01 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

The article certainly left no cliché unused.


14 posted on 11/17/2012 2:51:43 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: RaceBannon

They not only need to “go Roman” they need to “go biblical” and wipe Gaza into the sea. Once they are done they should turn it into a national park where only wild animals roam.


15 posted on 11/17/2012 4:16:47 PM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: Kaslin

If the Muslims lay down their arms, there will be peace.
If the Israelis lay down their arms, there will be a holocaust.


16 posted on 11/17/2012 4:17:21 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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From the Campbell clan song...

“Come dogs, and I will feed you flesh...”


17 posted on 11/17/2012 4:25:08 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Kaslin
guess it's time to post this again...

Sunday, July 16, 2006

A difficult lesson

When I was in the Navy, I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo (Philippines) that still haunts my dreams.  The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship. 

All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring him for a safe target.  When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear.

Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx.

Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight.  He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight.  He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows.

Nobody moved.  Not one person.

The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine's head.  The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker.

Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek.   And still the punches continued relentlessly. 

Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight.  I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back.

You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: "Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch]". 

He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage.

This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong. 

Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat.  I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully.

Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked  "I give up", and we gently backed the sailor away from him.

I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today. 

I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave.  But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors:

This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.

Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.

President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.

Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt.  Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:

  1. Instigate a war. 
  2. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire. 
  3. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy.  That would ruin everything!  All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce.
  4. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle.

This tactic has never failed.  Not once. 

In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel -  as a military victory!  No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!

President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."   

Uh huh.  Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow.  He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country.  He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer.  He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country. 

And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw.

As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.

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Posted by David Bogner on July 16, 2006

18 posted on 11/17/2012 4:32:08 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
One must win and one must lose—and lose in such a way that revenge isn’t possible for a hundred years.

This is called the "Limbaugh Doctrine" (for Rush Limbaugh). Against intractable foes, peace is only brought by complete, total victory of one side. I agree with you (and Rush).

Either the Jews will be wiped out, and Israel destroyed (the goal of ALL Paletinian (Arab) organizations--and a long-time consistent majority of the (Palestinian) Arabs) or the (Palestinian) Arabs will be....

19 posted on 11/17/2012 5:13:34 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Chode
Wow, one of the most powerful posts I've read in a long time.

The only thing it leave out is that once one side is thoroughly whipped, the two adversaries usually become allies.

For example, our relation ship with Japan (surrender) vs N. Korea (truce or cease fire).

That axiom goes all the way back to school yard days yet there are so many in this world that never even learned that most basic lesson.

20 posted on 11/17/2012 5:54:06 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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