Skip to comments.How to un-elect Obama & let House of Reps pick the President (I need to believe this)
Posted on 11/17/2012 12:41:56 PM PST by Jo Nuvark
According to Article II of the U.S. Constitution AND the 12th Amendment - if 1/3rd of the States do not cast their votes in the Electoral College -- then the matter falls onto the House of Representatives to choose the President. In other words -- if we pressure Congressmen, State Party Officials, and groups such as Tea Party Patriots, Heritage Foundation, etc., to call on RED States to NOT have their Electors cast their vote -- then the House of Reps CAN ...
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yeah this should have happened the first time the noncitizen was “elected”
This approach relies on the makeup of each state’s house delegation voting a straight party-line.
In the next Congress, what is the count of the states which have a majority of Congresspersons on one side or another?
With all 50 states petitioning for secession, could this happen if we MAKE THE CALLS ... PING???
Worth a try if nothing but to hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth
Don’t give the Dems any ideas for the next Presidential Election ,Oh wait, sorry ,2012 was the last Presidential Election
Well, let’s do it.
People, Article II and the 12th Amendment say no such thing. Read them. Carefully.
Why not? At the least it will drive MSM into hysterics. Barack Obama brings to mind “THe King has no clothes.” He is in incompetent nerd, yet MSM keeps saying he is “cool.” His gaffes are covered-up or minimized while anyone who might be running against him is trashed, lied about, and ridiculed.
If we had a free press who looked to investigate and let the light of truth shine Obama would soon be making his resignation over the Benghazi cover up. Nixon was hounded out of office by the press for the Watergate cover up which is a mere trifle in comparison to Benghazi. Sadly our press has become little more than willing tools of the White House Ministry of Propaganda. I think the US media is more under government control than the German press was in 1933 when Hitler was swept into power.
And you should not give over something to the government that you would not be completely comfortable seeing in the hands of your worst enemy.
It is sad that your comment is the first to mention that.
I think they got confused by the “2/3rds quorum” needed in the house for the case where nobody gets a majority of electoral votes.
But maybe they were just making things up.
If this were a real option, wouldn’t it have happened in the election of 1860?
Col West has opened the door.
We must fight election fraud.
It falls on We the People.
Silence is consent
Theres overwhelming evidence of fraud.- Here
MITT ROMNEY TWEETS ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD:
>MITT ROMNEY in 2012! @PlanetRomney #tcot The Competent Conservative: Elections Have Not Yet Been Certified. Heres What You Can Do: - Here
Excerpt from Mitt Romney's reference:
These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it wont do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...
Read the rest- Here
SARAH PALIN speaks out on Twitter about massive Obama machine voter fraud:
>Sarah Palin @SarahPalinUSA Between suppression of the military vote and voter fraud, Obama stole another election. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46302 DEMAND A RECOUNT! #VoterFraud
>Sarah Palin;@SarahPalinUSA People need to stop pointing fingers within the GOP and investigate the Dems' massive voter fraud and suppression of the military vote.
The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
Sign their petition- over 99,000 and counting -cards, emails- Here
Another petition, The 'We The People' petition has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here
'American Thinker'- "..Election stolen." Here-
'WND' List of voter fraud reports Here
'ATLAS SHRUGS' voter fraud list. 'Atlas Shrugs' has a list but cannot link. Contains video of eyewitness pollwatcher who verifies busload of Somalians bussed in, 95% spoke no english. Told to vote Obama. Google 'Atlas Shrugs voter fraud list'
< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here
Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here
'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here
Must watch videos!
VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here
VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here
VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here
VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here
VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here
We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
We must act NOW.
Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.
We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....
We are FReepers. We must fight!
Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!
Voter Fraud Links
The American Dream; 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham
Town Hall : Obama Lilely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud
American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen?
WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse:
Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts:
Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election:
Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012?
WND: Heres How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes
The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs
WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports:
What you can do:
These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it wont do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan:
Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. (See contact information below. Please provide others in COMMENTS.)
Send them the press clippings, or personal testimonials of clear vote fraud witnessed. (Statistical aberrations are helpful too like a historical 50% turnout in 2004, 2008 but a 90% turnout in a specific precinct despite an overall LOWER state turnout.)
Demand a public recount AND investigation, with a commitment to fight to replace THEM in the next election if they do not do so.
Email/Phone/Visit EVERY WEEK if not EVERY DAY. This will take weeks of steady pressure to get them to move.
Get your friends and neighbors to do the same.
Contact the OTHER 4 states to do the same as above.
Contact the Governor and the local GOP office with the SAME pressure.
(List of web contacts for each below)
If you are in those states (or know people who are) start attempting to find OTHERS with evidence of fraud. See if you can identify the precinct judges where the statistical aberations occur to pass along to the True the Vote which is set up to sue these entities with Judicial Watch.
Try to visit (or call) your local representative asking for their help to put pressure on. It doesnt hurt that if they dont or wont you make it your goal to find and fund a challenger to them for allow open and honest elections the fabric of freedom in this country to not only go unchallenged, but to institutionalized.
Contact your city, state and national media to keep this story alive as well. (Fox News has an email just for this at firstname.lastname@example.org)
Help us find, fund or coordinate willing lawyers, statisticians, pollsters and activists.
I can not reiterate enough that if this is NOT CHALLENGED NOW, we will could loose the House of Representatives in 2014 and possibly every election forward to massive voter fraud. Imagine Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi reenacting the first two years of Obamas reign with more Stimulus, Cash for Cars, Solyndras and ObamaCares.
This fight can not be put off for another election cycle or another day. Or there will no longer be a constitutional America. Put down your foot and make the declaration, THIS VOTE FRAUD WILL NOT STAND!
Via SafariWoman at TeamNetworks.net
Heres contact info for all states:
(877) SOS-Ohio (767-6446)
TTY: (614) 466-0562
TTY Toll-free: (877) 644-6889
E-mail the Agency
180 East Broad Street, 16th Floor
Columbus, Ohio 43215
30 W. Mifflin, 10th Floor
302 N Office Building
Harrisburg, PA 17120
Office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth
1111 East Broad Street, 4th Floor
Richmond, Virginia 23219
Fax: (804) 371-0017
Directors Office (for Elections)
Main Line: (850) 245-6200
Fax Numbers: (850) 245-6217 or (850) 245-6218
Department of State
Division of Elections
Room 316, R. A. Gray Building
500 South Bronough Street
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0250
From Christa Schauf:
THIS PHONE LIST IS COMPLETE FOR ALL 50 STATES http://teapartyorg.ning.com/page/house-of-representatives
House of Representatives
U.S Capitol Switchboard 202-224-3121
(1) Rick Scott, Governor of Florida
(2) John R. Kasich, Governor of Ohio
(3) Bob McDonnell, Governor of Virginia
(4) Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin
(5)Tom Corbett, Governor of Pennsylvania
(6) Rick Snyder, Governor of Michigan
(1) Mitt Romney
(2) Republican National Committee
(3) National Republican Senatorial Committee
(4) National Republican Congressional Committee
(5) FOX News
(6) FOX News
(7) Rush Limbaugh
(8) Mark Levin
(9) Shawn Hanity
(10) Laura Ingraham
Petitions for Recount!
Petition to Congress
Petition to White House
Petition to GOP
Petition to FEC
Petition to Count Denied Military Votes
Still, Romney was a loser.
Sorry to disappoint - BUT that is NOT what Article II OR the 12th Amendment say. The ONLY way for the election to get to the House of Representatives is IF no one gets a majority of the whole number of electors appointed.
If ALL electors were appointed by ALL states, then it would HAVE to end up in a tie [269-269, if only 2 candidates with electoral pledges] in order to get to the House of Representatives. If more than 2 candidates with electoral pledges, then it goes to the House of Representatives ONLY if no candidate gets a MAJORITY of the electoral votes allocated.
If some states refuse to seat their electors - the same applies as in the above paragraph. ONLY with LESS electors that were appointed ...
Article II, Section I states:
The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice.
This Section was superceded by the 12th Amendment, which states:
The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
The ONLY difference in the wording is that Article II, Section I states that the House of Representatives picks from a list of 5 and the 12th Amendment states that the list is 3.
I wish that the person who wrote the article that is the subject of this thread would ACTUALLY READ the Constitution ...
Xjcsa is right....I just read them carefully, and its not true. Sorry folks...thhe two thirds being present requirement only applies to congress deciding the president if the electoral vote was a tie, or split with no maajority.
Is there any particular reason you keep posting this over and over and over? After seeing it for what has to be the 300th time it gets rather annoying.
Try posting something different. It’s fun! It’s exciting! It’s NOT ANNOYING.
He lost because of massive voter fraud by the Obama machine.
;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
Do you honestly think that the states that Obama won want come forward and vote putting him over the 270 Electoral College Votes necessary to win? Hell all of Romney's 206 Electoral Votes could abstain and it wouldn't keep Obama from getting his 270.
Don't believe everything those people in SW Louisiana write about.
This would start a race war. No further comment. LOL
Now that doesn't mean Democrats didn't commit vote fraud ~ but they dropped 6.5 million votes from their total in 2008!
I would hope the Republicans had their agents out there as well, and if so, a little more work on their part Obama might well have lost.
Here's a clue for you, next time send us a Republican to vote for.
Not that it is relevant this year, but if an election goes to the House it is settled not by vote of the Reps but by vote of state delegations.
I recently looked into this, and the GOP have a majority in about 2/3 of the delegations.
Not fair to say that.. You try and go against a media that is an operative of the regime and constantly disparaging you while hyping their boss and covering-up his failures.
Concerning 'FAIRNESS' ~ I am always fair ~ dude lost because he's a loser!
[... This would start a race war ...]
Too late... Sharpton, Farakhan and Obama handled that one already.
You have to believe this?
Bohner is busy surrendering to Obama on taxes and immigration.
How about someone with some integrity in DC (hmmmm,is there anyone) says “Hey, Barry Soetoro Hussein Barack Obama had a parent who was not a US Citizen. Do we all know what that means? He is not eligible to run for president let alone serve as one. So you’re out Barry! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.”
No that would be to honest and easy.
Instead we’ll get 4 more years of hell.
Agree. Massive individual fraud and even more by vote machine tampering of numbers.
So let’s say a third of the states actually do this, then it’s up to the GOP controlled House, right?
Does anyone really believe those spineless people born of unwed mothers would even consider electing anyone other than obama?
I believe the next in line after President and VP is the Speaker Of The House, so let’s assume they elect Boehner. Another Bush RINO that has already declared obamacare law of the land. This poor excuse of a representative of freedom would be worse than Romney.
Clause 3: Electors
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse [sic] by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse [sic] the President. But in chusing [sic] the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse [sic] from them by Ballot the Vice President.
(Note: This procedure was changed by the Twelfth Amendment in 1804.)
In modern practice, each state chooses its electors in popular elections. Once chosen, the electors meet in their respective states to cast ballots for the President and Vice President. Originally, each elector cast two votes for President; at least one of the individuals voted for had to be from a state different from the elector’s. The individual with the majority of votes became President, and the runner-up became Vice President. In case of a tie, the House of Representatives could choose one of the tied candidates; if no person received a majority, then the House could again choose one of the five with the greatest number of votes. When the House voted, each state delegation cast one vote, and the vote of a majority of states was necessary to choose a President. If second-place candidates were tied, then the Senate broke the tie. A quorum of two-thirds applied in both Houses: at least one member from each of two-thirds of the states in the House of Representatives, and at least two-thirds of the Senators in the Senate. This procedure was followed in 1801 after the electoral vote produced a tie, and nearly resulted in a deadlock in the House.
The Twelfth Amendment introduced a number of important changes to the procedure. Now, Electors do not cast two votes for President; rather, they cast one vote for President and another for Vice President. In case no Presidential candidate receives a majority, the House chooses from the top three (not five, as with Vice Presidential candidates). The Amendment also requires the Senate to choose the Vice President from those with the two highest figures if no Vice Presidential candidate receives a majority of electoral votes (rather than only if there’s a tie for second for President). It also stipulates that to be the Vice President, a person must be qualified to be the President.
Don’t count on it.
With crybaby Boehner as the Speaker and too many weak-spined pantywaists afraid of being called “RAYYYYYYYYCIST!!!!” it’ll never happen.
If we had Men in the House - that is, people with spines and Patriot hearts, yes. As it stands though...I’d sooner bet on Gilligan and the Professor finally figuring out how to patch a hole in a boat and getting off the island.
No, if there is an electoral college tie, then the House of Representatives votes, in which case a 2/3’s quorum is needed. Since there is unlikely to be a tie in the electoral college vote in December, this doesn’t apply. If elected Electoral College voters don’t show up to vote, that is a violation of Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 and the Courts could order them to show up to vote.
So as attractive as the thought is to be able to avoid another 4 years of Obama, this reading of Article II, Section I, Clauses 2 & 3 is thoroughly flawed. The authors analysis is plain wrong.
The 12th amendment does supersede the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 3 but the point is still the same... the 2/3 quorum only applies to the electing of the President if there were an electoral tie. This purpose is to make sure Congress is duly represented before the vote can take place if this were to occur, again, since there is unlikely to be an electoral tie when those votes are cast in December, this tactic does not apply at all. Even if there were a tie though, the 2/3 quorum, again, is to make Congress wait until enough people are present to vote, not a tool that could be used to avoid a vote. The electors could simply be ordered by the courts to complete their Constitutionally mandated duty to cast their vote, as specified in II, 1, 2.
4 years ago they all knew soetoro is not elig and they could have stopped him from running for the presidency but they didn’t. When soetoro was ‘elected’ illegally, they could have stopped him by objecting during the electoral vote count certification, but they didn’t.
States were silent on this issue as well back in 2008.
Now they all (including the conservative ‘leaders’ and tea party leaders) let him run again, deluding themselves that they will win election over usurper obozo and gang’s rampant voter fraud
Whom can we blame?
If they didn’t do it 2 elections ago there is not a chance in hell they will do anything now, state officials or congress.
We probably have to be dragged to rock bottom with them, then maybe they will be mad enough, wake up and throw them all out!
This is the aching result of allowing anyone not a land owner to vote, and anyone but a proven christian to run for elective office. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing. But spoiled andadolescent America is in full glandular revolt! Tragic, but true.
Yes, they all know he’s ineligible and they were too weak to say so in 2008. They figured he’d never get re-elected and they were wrong. The TEA Party turnout for 2010 so scared the dems that they ramped up the fraud for 2012 and they stole the election. They’ll get away with that too. “They don’t call them The Stupid Party for nothing” still holds true. The dems are emboldened to rig vote machines from here on out.
It appears that Col.West is the only real man left in politics who will contest vote fraud.
I mean how hard is it to point out that Barky is not a natural born citizen? He says so in his own voice on his audio book when he talks about his Kenyan father. Who gives a rat’s patoot about where he was born(that’s just icing on the cake) when Barky himself proclaims far and wide that his dad was a foreigner?
Surely if InterWeb chat rooms (ducks to avoid thrown fruit) know he’s ineligible (for several reasons) those overpaid crooks in DC know he’s a usurper. But no! Not a one of them wants to risk being called the R word “racist”. They’re all as gutless as cry baby Boehner.
We’ve been researching Zero’s ineligibility for 5 years on FR. He’s ineligible and that’s that.
Republicans will control 27 of the 50 delegations in the next Congress.