Posted on 11/17/2012 12:24:28 PM PST by fwdude
Science is the study of the material world; what is objectively observable, measurable and testable. The mind is none of these things.
You make the fatal error of assuming that psychology is science. It is not. If anything, it is a religion.
You make the fatal error of ignorance. Minds and their workings CAN be at least crudely charted.
Sure, psychologists have gotten cult followings but that happens when and because they are abusing their role as scientists.
Again, please explain how mind is empirically observable, measurable and testable.
Do you somehow make a living in the field of psychology? If so, your defensiveness is understandable.
I ONLY support individual candidates who unapologetically champion whole conservatism and who have a proven track record of staunch conservatism; most of whom identify as Republican.
A candidate can identify as Republican without adopting the pernicious value system of the party establishment. That's all I'm saying.
Amen, Antoninus.
But, I wonder which group will prevail?
Man, you both assume and project much. I do not make any living out of anything even slightly psychologically related.
You are however glaringly unaware that prior to the appearance of Sigmund Freud there was an older line of, yes, Christian psychology. Dr. Freud literally hijacked that and secularized it, which is the basis of the travesty we see all too often today. There was also a respected line of medicine called “alienism” — not the study of space aliens, silly, but of understanding the mentally ill, with the purpose of counseling them towards better normalcy or at least better coping. It’s now known as “abnormal psychology.” And to have an abnormal, you need to have a normal. From which the following applies.
As with navigating geography, one does not need a perfect map in order to be useful. And yes, personalities and minds both normal and abnormal have been mapped, to useful purpose.
If it were up to you we’d still be chaining the insane.
The way I saw the discussion was the you were coming at me with practical reasoning and I was responding with ideological reasoning.
I fully understand that we share much more in common than not. The underlying fact remains the same for both of us - the GOP-E has lost its way and no longer represents its conservative base, nor does it care. To that end, we need to stop any and all donations to the RNC and send them to a quick death so that the Tea Party can step up.
And, yes, I do undertsnad that we agree on these things, albeit from slightly different directions. The end result is that we will both arrive at the same destination.
Thanks for a good discussion.
T.A. McMahon encapsulates this issue almost perfectly in his recent article The Upcoming Psychologized Generation (The Berean Call Newsletter, November 2012):
...[Christians] contradict their professing belief in biblical authority by looking elsewhere for solutions to solving life’s problems, primarily by turning to so-called authorities or “experts”—and particularly to psychologists. This is a tragic mistake because God’s Word is sufficient: “According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue” (2 Peter:1:3). The Word of God is the Manufacturer’s Handbook, with instructions for humanity regarding “all things that pertain to life and godliness.” What exactly are the “all things”? Certainly everything that pertains to or involves moral issues and anything that is sin related—either how to avoid it or how to repent of it. Clinical psychology cannot deal with sin—although most if not all of the issues for which people turn to psychotherapists are due to sin. The outcome of seeking psychotherapeutic help is always destructive for the faith of the believer for what should be obvious reasons.Psychological counseling is an anti-biblical replacement program for the Manufacturer’s Handbook. Its essential doctrine is that self, which is declared to be innately good, is the key to solving all of life’s problems. Therefore, foundationally, it stands in direct opposition to the Scriptures, which declare that self, i.e., man, is innately sinful (Jeremiah:17:9).
Your desperate defense of clinical psychology is a tragic example of how ingrained this false "science" has become in the modern mind, even in Christian thought.
You err greatly to aver, with ad-hominem attacks packed in (”desperate”), that there can be no practice of clinical psychology that walks hand in hand with a classical Christian understanding of sin and righteousness. You err extremely greatly. But the people who practice in this manner, pay the likes of you no mind, other than to pray daily for you.
You have set up a straw man and masterfully bashed it. In the meantime, people who suffer from mental illness and were not healed by a traditional church format by bigots such as you, have been helped to better sanity by the application of psychological Christian understanding that, in fact, predated Sigmund Freud.
You belong at DU, Troll. You speak the language.
Ah, now the ad hominems begin flowing from you. Where is that vaunted grace?
I say bigoted with a very accurate dictionary definition, and bigots carry out what is bigoted, just as murderers carry out murders.
The ad hominem attack is wantonly using the meaningless leftist term of derision “bigot” improperly in an attempt to denigrate another.
Where, in anything that I posted, is “bigot” even remotely appropriate?
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