Posted on 11/16/2012 4:22:18 PM PST by Perseverando
Edited on 11/16/2012 9:39:01 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Considering proposal to make cooperation with specific program a crime
Presumably, a proposal being developed in Texas right now won’t be necessary should its petition on the White House website to secede from the union be successful.
But if not, the Lone Star state apparently wants to be prepared to challenge whatever it views as a federal encroachment on the rights of the state, or its citizens.
So it will be reviewing a legislative plan that not only would make it illegal to cooperate with the federal National Defense Authorization Act in Texas, but could make an offender subject to a year in jail and a $10,000 fine.
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Would be nice if some other states that were geographically connected like Oklahoma, Louisiana then Miss and AL created some sort of alliance with Texas. Not sure that Georgia would be on board but South Carolina would probably, in theory.
If nothing else, this sounds like a “full employment” program for high priced attorneys (on both sides).
I hate to say it but the 10th Amendment is a dead letter.
It will never pass, nor should it. A citizen of the United States should never be torn between obeying national laws vs state laws. Anyone detained under such circumstances would be able to rightly declare himself a political prisoner.
TEXAS HAS NOT PETITIONED FOR SECESSION. Some people signed some petitions.
That would be Texas state law and the lawyer to defend that law would be our State Attorney General Greg Abbott. He is not amused by Obama and Eric Holder.
“I hate to say it but the 10th Amendment is a dead letter.”
Not in Texas, it isn’t.
“I hate to say it but the 10th Amendment is a dead letter.”
I hate to say it, but the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th Amendments are dead letters. And have been for some time. And it’s not all Obama’s fault.
Same can be said of Article I Section 8.
But the 3rd Amendment hasn’t been usurped much.
The 17th amendment to the Constitution gutted state's rights. However, we are just awakening to the importance of a state's ability to nullify federal actions. The fight has just begun and it will be revived.
It will never pass, nor should it. A citizen of the United States should never be torn between obeying national laws vs state laws. Anyone detained under such circumstances would be able to rightly declare himself a political prisoner.
This law is unconstitutional,and therefore not legitimate. The State Governments are rapidly becoming our last line of defense against the Washington behemoth.
I am in favor of any and all efforts of the states to stand up to Federal Tyranny and ensure the blessings of liberty for their citizens.
“It will never pass, nor should it.”
Don’t think you should assume Texas won’t do it. I see you live in Texas. The legislative session starts in January and we’ll see what happens to this bill.
“Anyone detained under such circumstances would be able to rightly declare himself a political prisoner.”
Pretty hard to do when you are arrested at night by soldiers, flown to a secret prison, and held incommunicado with no rights to due process or an attorney.
We already have systems in place to challenge the constitutionality of laws. Placing people, individuals, citizens between feuding levels of government is not one of them.
Don’t hold your breath on this one
“It will never pass, nor should it. A citizen of the United States should never be torn between obeying national laws vs state laws”
If the Federal government becomes despotic and legalizes kidnapping, no citizen SHOULD be torn between obeying the despots and the constitution. Resistance with any means at hand is the moral answer. That includes using state governments to pass laws to protect you FROM the feds, Remington 870s, and rampant use of free speech and civil disobedience.
There are some 5,000 to 7,000 or so bills filed each regula legislative session. Only a portion of them will ever see the light of day on the House/Senate floor much less be enacted.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I am entitled to disagree.
The people are sovereign, and the system, and Federal government has not been responsive for some time.
I agree with Texas on this one. You may of course choose to disagree with me and let them ship you, your neighbor, or your family off to Gitmo or wherever they want to without due process.
You really are the quintessential Federal Boot Licker.
How -exactly- do you challenge the constituionality of a law that denies you the right to an attorney or any kind of hearing. NDAA literally authorizes soldiers to pick up anyone deemed to be supporting terrorist efforts, transport them away, and hold them as long as they please.
You do not get an attorney, and there are no hearings.
Thats the scary point of NDAA, the systems to challenge constitutionality were swept away.
Only for radical muslims you say? Think again. Remember when the Homeland Fusion Center in Missourri said indicators or terror included Gadsden Flags, Ron Paul Stickers, TEA slogans, or indicators of wanting to follow the constitution? Then remember when the news stories were filled with warnings of racist TEA parties? Remember how they said TEA was potentially violent? Remember how they always portray Tim McViegh as a TEA type terrorist?
Hint,,,NDAA ain’t for Major Hassan, it’s for all of US.
And it is not citizens between feuding levels of government. It is state government protecting it’s citizens from a federal government that has clearly turned away from the Constitution. Your answer is to appeal to that SAME federal government to please have mercy on us, and please stop operating outside of constitutional limts?
Your view of the states reduces them to mere administrative districts of the national government.
Georgia would be onboard you can bet.Our governor is no fan of the bullsh!t being forced on us by the fed.
This is an alternative to secession from the Union. The States need to convene an emergency Convention to Propose Amendments. They can also ratify amendments without involving Congress in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER. The main amendment to be considered should be this:
The States, with a majority in agreement, can, at any time, nullify any bill passed by Congress and signed by the President. The States, with a majority in agreement, can nullify any Executive Order or any other thing signed, or ordered, by the President. The States, with a majority in agreement, can remove any person appointed to any office in the Judicial branch or the Executive branch.
These are the kinds of things that the States could control before we got the damned 17th amendment. The States participation in the Federal government needs to be restored, IMMEDIATELY.
I hate to say it but the 10th Amendment is a dead letter.
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Sez you-
Bingo we have a winner, You are correct, However since the State appears to want to try something a little different I propose they adopt the NDAA in it’s entirety as STATE LAW, immediately Lock Up and Hold Indefinitely ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEES IN THE STATE, and hold them forever, just like the NDAA says. Hell under the Provisions of the NDAA Texas doesn’t even have to tell anyone they did it, just do it and be done with it. That will get the ball rolling as weather or not the NDAA Constitutional. and Remember Any Federal Law can be Adopted by Any STate and is just as Constitutional.
He thinks he'll be the shipper not the shipee.
He thinks he’ll be the shipper not the shipee.
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Hummmmm. Aren’t those the people that all through out history are the first to be eliminated-those who think they are going to be part of the ruling group?
The only ones that will see the light of day are those allowed to do so by Strauss and Dewhurst. We missed a golden opportunity to do something about voter ID, the border and illegals last session when we had a majority. Don’t expect much to happen this time around.
Where’s the link?
Parts of Texas have their own Social Security program.
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