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Liberated Iraq calls on Arab states to use oil as 'weapon' against U.S.
Fox News ^ | 11/16/2012

Posted on 11/16/2012 12:03:01 PM PST by SargeK

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51 posted on 11/16/2012 9:35:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

SWAMPSNIPER, Over the years I’ve read and agree with most of your comments, however... “Iraq was a total waste of American blood.” is definitely not one of them!


52 posted on 11/16/2012 9:48:46 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: loboinok
What have we accomplished after we took out Saddam?

We have not made a lasting reliable ally in the region. We haven't helped build a lasting democracy.

Iraq is just waiting for the next tyrant to take control, religious or secular, it makes no difference.

53 posted on 11/16/2012 9:57:42 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Absolutely pissed at them. Wolfowitz, Perle, Kristol, Bennett, all pushed for ground troop intervention in Iraq. Even while Clinton was in office. Look up the letter they signed citing weapons of mass destruction. NEOCON job. Now they play stupid and sheepish after we spent Billions and more importantly sacrifice our men and women. For what ? To be slapped in the face by the newly “democratic” freely elected American hating Iraquis. God Bless our soldiers.


54 posted on 11/16/2012 10:00:32 PM PST by tartar1000
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To: SargeK

That arrogant jackass was (and is) more than happy to let Iraq implode.


55 posted on 11/16/2012 10:12:36 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: b4its2late
What liberation? We took out an evil, blood-thirsty secular dictator and this was replaced with jihadi, Saudi sponsored AlQaeda and IRan sponsored Shia groups killing each other regularly.

Gulf War I and II were a mistake.

56 posted on 11/16/2012 10:17:59 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SargeK; Eleutheria5; kearnyirish2; Pearls Before Swine; cripplecreek
To be fair, this is the elder Bush's fault. When Saddam, a secular dictator grabbed the theocratic sheikhdom of Kuwait and threatened the Saudis (who sponsor and created the Wahabbi, Sunni-fanatical movements around the world like the Taliban and alQaeda) and who could have got more money to continue his fight against the Ayatollahs in Iran

When Saddam did this, Bush I went in to protect the Saudis. The presence of American troops on Saudi was the "provocation" or rather justification used by AlQaeda for 9.11

Then we took out a secular dictator, SAddam in 2003 and replaced him with THIS.

What a waste of lives and money.

57 posted on 11/16/2012 10:18:46 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: ScottinVA

True, but Kurdish independence pi*** off the Turks who occupy a large chunk of Kurdish lands


58 posted on 11/16/2012 10:19:18 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: tartar1000
NEOCON job.

Never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity. Religion is merely one of many systems of belief that relies purely on faith. Neo-conservatism is liberalism applied to foreign policy. It is hawkish, but in a kumbaya, we-are-all-the-same-under-the-skin kind of way.

59 posted on 11/16/2012 10:23:19 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: PGR88; cripplecreek
While we just don't know what the M.E. would look like with Saddam still there,

We can conjecture: in 1988 Saddam finished the 8 year war with Iran, having killed a large chunk of the fanatical Shias

In this he was sponsored by Saudia and the Gulf states (including Kuwait) who used him as a proxy against Shia Iran which they feared and fear (just as they use Egypt against Israel)

In 1990 he decided that they didn't give him enough money and that Kuwait was filching extra oil from the shared oil reserves (which, if I'm not mistaken, they WERE doing) and took over

We went in and the Saudi king was correct when he said "I just snap my hands and my blue-eyed slaves will come and fight and die for me" and my money

If we hadn't, then this is the scenario:

All in all, a much better world for America and Europe, about the same level of danger for Israel.

Note -- in some ways Dubya was just following a nearly inevitable path after Gulf War I...

60 posted on 11/16/2012 10:30:27 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: DoughtyOne
Then you look at Europe itself, totally in the tank for the Palestinians. Whose men died to defend it?

Firstly, Western Europe is not all of Europe. The nations that have supported the Palestinians now are Western European, not Central Europe

Secondly, the men who died to defend it were in terms of numbers firstly European, then Russian then American. WWII was won due to American military supplies to the USSR and to Britain and then due to the Soviets breaking the back of the Germans.

Only Western Europe was liberated at the end of WWII -- for central Europeans the war ended in 1989...

61 posted on 11/16/2012 10:39:03 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Joe 6-pack

91 was a mistake, the entire war, not just holding back. If we had removed him then, these same problems would have occured 20 years earlier..


62 posted on 11/16/2012 10:40:15 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: ZULU
Afghanistan, unfortunately I support the war in 2002. That was necessary and it saved a nation from the Taliban

yet, imho (see above), this wouldn't have even been necessary if we had stayed away from Gul War I

And you are right that we are stupid now to not support Assad -- let him slaughter the Jihadis fighting agianst him

63 posted on 11/16/2012 10:44:42 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: montag813

“for failing to seize control of their oil industry and force repayment of every last cent of our costs of war there.” — we couldn’t do that as Gulf War II was what we started. Gulf war I was a different matter, but the first was a mistake and led to the second


64 posted on 11/16/2012 10:45:52 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: lurk

it wasn’t like that when Iraq, Syria, Egypt were Christian....


65 posted on 11/16/2012 10:46:33 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SargeK
For one, we occupied Europe for fifty years

We occupied the western half. The eastern half was occupied by the Soviets -- abandoned by FDR.

66 posted on 11/16/2012 10:48:00 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Oh, we couldn’t do that. Remember? Bush said the oil belonged to the Iraqi people. I guess he was too damned dumb to see it was paid for with American blood. I hate that damned deceiver.


67 posted on 11/16/2012 11:08:49 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: SargeK

Just some thoughts I’ve had about the oil situation.
I would suggest the US produce enough domestic oil to bring world prices down to two dollars per gallon. We would make a lot of money on it and severely hurt the current set of oil producing states economically. At the least, we have the ability to manipulate world oil prices too. If they want to try and hurt us, fine, we start producing more to make up the difference. It would help us and hurt them since we don’t depend upon the income like they do. We really have a commanding position if we would use oil as a sort of economic Détente weapon.


68 posted on 11/16/2012 11:09:07 PM PST by Freeper Fanatic
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To: SargeK

Did we recently scrap all of our B-1s, B-2s and B-52s or something?


69 posted on 11/16/2012 11:10:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Cronos

And don’t forget that we told Saddam he could take part of Kuwait. Just another thing Ross Perot was right about.


70 posted on 11/16/2012 11:33:30 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: SargeK

Actually there are plenty of companies that exploited. Defence companies, government contracts for rebuilding etc..The real question is that is it worth the cost so that these few companies may turn a profit? My answer is a clear and resounding NO.
I really do not know why we bother with the middle east at all, especially with helping muslims in the middle east when their way of life and beliefs stand against everything we as americans stand for. We should save all the christians from the middle east and leave the muslims to rot.


71 posted on 11/16/2012 11:46:22 PM PST by hannibaal
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To: ScottinVA
beyond Iraq, the Obama/hillary administration boasts of their support for arab spring

I may be crazy but I think Obama is actually an enemy within the gates, with evil intent to destroy the USA

72 posted on 11/17/2012 12:00:00 AM PST by KTM rider
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To: Capt. Tom

We aren’t the same nation that did all that any more. We are an obamaphone and food stamp nation of parasites.

People on this thread are getting worked up over what one guy says , forgetting Iraq has opposing parties just as we do. Judging the whole on the basis of this guy is like judging the whole of the United States based upon a glimpse of Detroit.


73 posted on 11/17/2012 12:06:47 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: SargeK
"Liberated Iraq calls on Arab states to use oil as 'weapon' against U.S."

That's nice.

74 posted on 11/17/2012 12:08:01 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: PGR88
"While we just don't know what the M.E. would look like with Saddam still there, I do not know what benefit the USA rec'd for our efforts. Seems we simply turned Iraq over to Iran or the Islamists."

We all know "third time's a charm", so let's arm the Syrian rabbles and get some boots on the ground. We'll talk nice to them, overlook Iranian subversion, and we'll pump a trillion $'s into building them up to a 20th century power (well, gotta start somewhere). That Libyan fiasco, let's pretend we didn't really help them because the efforts cost under $1 trillion and only had a little "bump in the road" in terms of casualties.

/sarc

75 posted on 11/17/2012 12:34:04 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: ZULU
"then pull out"

No. Leviathan forces must have dominion first, and then demand tribute. Any other way and the Leviathan will fail.

The US should have taken Iraqi oil for 50 years as tribute. Treat them like a satellite state, and subjugate as needed. History is rife with these lessons.

76 posted on 11/17/2012 12:39:26 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: Chad_the_Impaler
It that the Mr. Potato Head version, or the real one? Ug, never mind, I'm sure they both hate us...
77 posted on 11/17/2012 12:43:31 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
"I don’t know how any of those people can look in a mirror."

Easy. They just glance at their checkbook balance instead...

78 posted on 11/17/2012 12:44:19 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: eCSMaster
"Thank Colon Powell for that one."

If you believe Powell's book, Bush had a UN mandate to expel Saddam from Kuwait and cripple his ability to overrun his neighbors. But, they needed a counterbalance to Iran's belligerence and they needed functioning oil production.

To Powell's credit, he didn't believe in nation building without the political support of the American people and resources on the ground to finish the job.

He said he was willing to follow the president's orders to extend the mission, but he would have been forthright in communicating the cost in lives and treasure.

79 posted on 11/17/2012 12:57:31 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: StAnDeliver
No. Leviathan forces must have dominion first, and then demand tribute. Any other way and the Leviathan will fail.

The US should have taken Iraqi oil for 50 years as tribute. Treat them like a satellite state, and subjugate as needed. History is rife with these lessons.

So true. Our nation's allies must respect America and our enemies must live in constant FEAR of our might.

I've never bought into the idea that peace is the absence of conflict. Instead real peace comes from a strong, fearless America equipped with a military second to none. There's a good reason why the pistol was called the Colt Peacemaker.

The restoration of American Exceptionalism would yield a peaceful Mideast...something approximating this:


80 posted on 11/17/2012 1:00:25 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Terry Mross

we did? I didn’t know that


81 posted on 11/17/2012 1:07:31 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SargeK

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82 posted on 11/17/2012 1:43:58 AM PST by Tzimisce (Will there be anything to fight for in 2016?)
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To: Cronos
We declared neutrality regarding border disputes - which to Saddam sounded like "go ahead and roll those tanks across your southern border". Saddam had 2 grievances - 1) the UN carved Kuwait out of Iraq and didn't compensate them 2) Kuwait was using horizontal drilling to over produce from an oil field that was mostly in Iraq territory.

After Saddam was given what looked like a green light, he rolled into the UN enclave of Kuwaiti - where the people were so rich, they didn't know how to do their own laundry and thus had to hire Iraq's.

Bush went "heeeeeeeehhhhh" (big rut-ro sound) - then he built the world's largest air force base in Saudi Arabia. Viola, the US now has a colossal footprint in the ME. Neat how that worked out.

83 posted on 11/17/2012 1:46:03 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: SargeK; All
Iraq is just doing what Obama wants.

If this comes to pass, oil will go up even more.

Congress needs to open up all possibilities for producing/refining oil in this country and the pipelines necessary to distribute it.

84 posted on 11/17/2012 3:03:13 AM PST by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead-->MSM/Dems/GOP-e -- LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: SargeK; everyone
One heck of a read everyone. Thanks SargeK!
85 posted on 11/17/2012 3:13:42 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: PGR88

The history of Islam is of a people dominated by one tyrant or another. It’s a philosophical approach to government and endorsed by the Koran. Arabs are tribalistic.

I don’t think Egypt, Libya, or Iraq are better off without Mubarak, Qadaffi, or Saddam. Certainly, the Christian and other minorities in those countries don’t feel they are better off.

The Bushes were working for the Saudi Caliphate or some other master.


86 posted on 11/17/2012 3:17:01 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SargeK

You’ve got your history wrong. The Marshall Plan was garbage and meant to punish Germany. Things got going once the Plan was ended. FDR and his crony Truman were vengeful jerks who couldn’t see communism for the threat it was until it was too late.


87 posted on 11/17/2012 3:25:19 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Shadow44

The State Department and American liberals ruined Iraq.


88 posted on 11/17/2012 3:25:53 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Capt. Tom
Right, Capt. We the Infidels don't understand. We, the ranks of, the Infidels are growing though, and understanding is coming, like so many other things none of us want or wanted. Thank You Capt., we shall only Stand Down when they, who hate us, have been vanquished. At this time our weapons are words. The time is coming though. We cannot lay down our guns and our words. Be we victorious or defeated is not known yet, though we can take pride, the people's shots have not been fired yet. May it not come to that point. May our words be enough. Oh Blessed Jesus, In God We Do Trust.
89 posted on 11/17/2012 3:29:36 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

What do you expect. They are friggin Arabs!!


90 posted on 11/17/2012 3:37:52 AM PST by Roklok
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To: ScottinVA
I so regret supporting that G**-damned war there.

I supported the war there, for a few reasons. One is that we could end up with an American-friendly in the middle of the middle east. Another is the hope that we'd have permanent military bases there to keep the peace in that region. I never envisioned we'd simply pull all out. What was the point? Spend billions to kill a guy?

I'm coming around to the idea that we should have claimed our spoils, the oil fields, while we were there.

91 posted on 11/17/2012 3:44:26 AM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: Cronos
True enough Cronos. Also there was a rumor, and may have been a fact. Didn't Bush I tell sadam, in a round about way, he didn't give a heck about Kuwait? Was this the beginning and looking back is 20 and 20. In the present it's not simply iraq, but all of nearly or more than half of the globe possibly saying America, America did it, and gathering their force while telling their generals prepare to attack. Stepping in it is definitely too late. Can't back up. Our options, few to none? Waiting and watching here, FRiend. Sometime if you and I are close to each other, we should sit down and talk, have a drink and try to relax. Invite odds, okay?
92 posted on 11/17/2012 3:48:08 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Cronos
Not one word do I find in myself to disagree. Thank You!
93 posted on 11/17/2012 3:53:24 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: SargeK

Frack em all...and the camel they rode in on.


94 posted on 11/17/2012 3:53:24 AM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: KTM rider
Obama is actually an enemy within the gates

Dad, he's gone now, said obama was the first rider of the four, or worse the top one named the anti-Christ.

95 posted on 11/17/2012 3:57:38 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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We freed them from a little dictator. The big one, Satan (Allah), is still in charge.


96 posted on 11/17/2012 4:03:04 AM PST by GoDuke
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To: PGR88

We can thank obama for not even having a prescence there.
Bush won the war, obama lost it.

ron Paul is not looking so crazy....maybe I’ll become a Ronbot.ha.


97 posted on 11/17/2012 4:07:26 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: SargeK

This is what you get when you help hajis. There is not a more disloyal, ungrateful group on Earth.


98 posted on 11/17/2012 4:12:37 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: PGR88; cripplecreek

Its Obama’s policies which have led to this. He’s pushed Iraq this way just like he’s pushing other Arab countries.


99 posted on 11/17/2012 4:14:24 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PsyOps
we should have secured a portion of their oil resources permanently

Then the libs will scream it is a war for oil...oh...ah...they did, except we did not get the oil.

100 posted on 11/17/2012 4:37:52 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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