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New video shows cops harassing man legally carrying gun(PA)
philly.com ^ | 15 November, 2012 | WILLIAM BENDER

Posted on 11/16/2012 7:37:48 AM PST by marktwain

PHILADELPHIA police officers are supposed to be educated about civilian gun laws - especially since an expletive-laden altercation with a licensed gun owner ended up on YouTube last year and led to a $25,000 court settlement.

For the record: It's perfectly legal to openly carry a handgun in the city - with a valid permit. Everywhere else in the state, a permit is needed only if the gun is concealed.

But apparently not everyone in the Police Department got the memo.

A new YouTube video shows two Philly cops antagonizing a man who was legally carrying a .40-caliber Glock on his hip as he headed to a Manayunk barbershop last week.

One officer wrongly tells Joshua Rodriguez, 22, that his ammunition is illegal. Another officer later tells the barber that Rodriguez has a gun.

"You have all these laws, man. You go to law school? You're not supposed to have 13 bullets of hollow points in your gun right now," an officer says. The bullets are, in fact, legal.

He asks Rodriguez a series of questions and later says, "Shut your mouth" and "Don't call me 'officer.' " The other cop, who repeatedly tells Rodriguez that his gun should be concealed, says, "I should've pulled my gun out on you, technically."

"I don't want to argue," an exasperated Rodriguez says. "I want to get a haircut."

The officer tells him he's free to go - then walks into the barbershop and revives the debate. "You want this guy in here with his gun open?" the cop asks the barber. "This guy here, right here."

Capt. Francis Healy, a police lawyer and special adviser to Commissioner Charles Ramsey, said officers should be "respectful and courteous, and also be safe" in such situations. He said the first officer might have misstated the law about the ammo, and the other might have been "a little overzealous" in the barbershop.

The department increased training on open-carry stops after a February 2011 incident involving Mark Fiorino, a Montgomery County I.T. worker with a firearms permit who was harassed and handcuffed for carrying a gun in Northeast Philly.

A sergeant told Fiorino he was breaking the law and held him at gunpoint on his knees, threatening to shoot him. The city paid Fiorino $25,000 to settle a lawsuit.

"They're demonizing people," Fiorino saidof the new video. "In a lot of cases, it's a bully with a badge."

Healy said that openly carrying a gun is dangerous - someone could grab it - but that most open-carry advocates are law-abiding.

He tells cops to consider thinking of it this way: "If something would go wrong on the street and you were getting your butt kicked, I would venture to guess it'd be one of these individuals that would come to help you.

"Make a friend," he said. "You might need them one day."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; opencarry; pa; police
This may not be enough for a lawsuit, then again, it might be.
1 posted on 11/16/2012 7:37:54 AM PST by marktwain
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“Capt. Francis Healy, a police lawyer and special adviser to Commissioner Charles Ramsey, said officers should be “respectful and courteous, and also be safe” in such situations. He said the first officer might have misstated the law about the ammo, and the other might have been “a little overzealous” in the barbershop. “

I suggest the dear Captain look up “Harrassment”.


2 posted on 11/16/2012 7:46:24 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: marktwain

The guy is lucky, if he was walking his dog it may have been shot dead.


3 posted on 11/16/2012 7:47:04 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: marktwain

This Healy individual seems to be much less stupid than one would assume.


4 posted on 11/16/2012 7:47:52 AM PST by wideawake
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To: marktwain

The cops just do what the administration tells them to do or lets them do.
Leftist administrations want to take guns from honest, law-abiding citizens and deliberately leave them in the hands of criminals.


5 posted on 11/16/2012 7:52:15 AM PST by I want the USA back (The right to defend oneself is inherent in our nature. It can't be given or taken away by government)
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To: marktwain

“Healy said that openly carrying a gun is dangerous - someone could grab it”

Then why do cops carry openly?


6 posted on 11/16/2012 8:00:48 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain
This may not be enough for a lawsuit, then again, it might be.

Looks like it to me:

PA Constitution, Art I, Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

7 posted on 11/16/2012 8:07:55 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: driftdiver
Oh but they're trained professionals.

Remember this?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444812704577611553836585324.html
8 posted on 11/16/2012 8:17:13 AM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: marktwain

Well, anyone can sue for just about anything. But your question is valid. I lean to 55% non lawsuit eligible. If there is one good thing though, it is that it was captured on video. It can be distributed to thousands of people, and used in future cases of harassment to show a pattern of misconduct by the officers regarding people exercising their right to carry.


9 posted on 11/16/2012 8:21:47 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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The bike cop in the yellow jacket shouldn’t be a cop. He is too much of a hothead. It would be great if the police would actually learn the laws they are supposed to enforce.


10 posted on 11/16/2012 8:23:38 AM PST by GnL
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Had it been me, it would have cost the city a lot more than $25,000.


11 posted on 11/16/2012 8:58:49 AM PST by Arm_Bears (The MSM lies about liberals, and it lies about conservatives.)
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If that was me, I would push for $1 M.....and these officers need to be fired.


12 posted on 11/16/2012 9:02:55 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: OneWingedShark; All

Here is a link to the video of the event:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agWde2tpfx4


13 posted on 11/16/2012 9:05:09 AM PST by marktwain
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If you can protect yourself, they can’t control you.


14 posted on 11/16/2012 9:21:34 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Enterprise

The cops were suppressing his protected rights. That has been used by the left for many years to enact social change through the courts


15 posted on 11/16/2012 9:45:50 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Doesn’t the police academy teach recruits that the guy carrying openly is usually on their side?


16 posted on 11/16/2012 10:15:44 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: marktwain

bttt


17 posted on 11/16/2012 10:18:07 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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Doesn’t the police academy teach recruits that the guy carrying openly is usually on their side?

It depends on the academy. There are 16 academies in Pennsylvania. Apparently, Philadelphia has their own. They probably teach things differently than the rest of the State.

18 posted on 11/16/2012 12:03:59 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
He tells cops to consider thinking of it this way: "If something would go wrong on the street and you were getting your butt kicked, I would venture to guess it'd be one of these individuals that would come to help you.

Not bloody likely. That train departed years ago.

19 posted on 11/16/2012 4:17:20 PM PST by Ken H
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Racist LEOs.


20 posted on 11/16/2012 5:41:30 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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I had a citizen call the police on me in Harrisburg Pa (Paxton Township). They checked my carry permit and said have nice day. Then they told the citizen to mind their own business.


21 posted on 11/17/2012 12:55:18 PM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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