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What the Petraeus Investigation Tells Us About Online Surveillance
Reason ^ | Nov. 13, 2012 | J.D. Tuccille

Posted on 11/15/2012 1:18:21 PM PST by neverdem

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To: SnakeDoctor

“To review naked.....pictures of your wife”? Ohhhhh.....disclothesure.


21 posted on 11/15/2012 3:27:56 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: two23

“Of course they can. Remember Carnivore?”

And Echelon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

ECHELON was capable of interception and content inspection of telephone calls, fax, e-mail and other data traffic globally through the interception of communication bearers including satellite transmission, public switched telephone networks (which once carried most Internet traffic) and microwave links.


22 posted on 11/15/2012 3:43:51 PM PST by sdcraigo
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To: neverdem

The other day Obama praised everyone EXCEPT the FBI... I don’t think I want to stand with Obama and the democrats. We don’t know the truth here - and we need to take the time to find out who’s good and who’s dirty.


23 posted on 11/15/2012 3:49:09 PM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: blueunicorn6

“To review naked.....pictures of your wife”? Ohhhhh.....disclothesure.

If your name was Bill Clinton that would be mental
cruelty.


24 posted on 11/15/2012 3:53:25 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


25 posted on 11/15/2012 7:33:56 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: wmp46
The Watergate break in is thought to be illegal gathering dirt on a Democrat who was having an affair.

No, it was about Dick Nixon sweating whether Ted Kennedy was secretly preparing to jump into the Democrat nomination race that year (1972). He'd have been a threat to Nixon (who'd been beaten by Jack Kennedy), even with the Chappaquiddick thing hanging over his head.

As it turned out, the working journalists who were surveyed about their votes, answered that they'd voted 9:1 for George McGovern, in the teeth of a national landslide for Nixon. So Nixon was right to worry about Kennedy, who'd have had the media jump instantly to his side had he declared.

26 posted on 11/15/2012 9:16:36 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem
The article is wrong about the FBI checking into these emails. I've seen enough from news media accounts to believe the FBI had every reason in the world to be concerned about an anonymous person who appeared to have access to nonpublic information about the schedules of general officers and the director of the CIA.

FWIW, it also appears from media accounts that the FBI agent who Mrs. Kelley contacted was well-known as a political conservative, and he contacted a Republican congressman out of concern this was being covered up. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if the FBI agent is a Freeper or is reading this thread. (And no, I have zero inside info and never heard of the FBI agent before, so if he's reading, don't think I'm doing anything more that making a good guess about the influence of Free Republic in conservative circles. I've seen firsthand that lots of conservatives, both nationally known figures and well-placed government or GOP officials, are Freepers or regular lurkers here.)

Where the article is right is calling attention to the incredible idiocy of people who write things expecting privacy when they have no reasonable expectation that what they write will stay private. The real issue here is the level of surveillance which people themselves are making possible. There was a day when private investigators were making lots of money to hunt down things that people today put on Facebook.

A secondary issue is that for the mistress of the director of the CIA not to know that email is not a secure medium of communication, and not to take some of the most basic security precautions, indicates many things about her own level of competence. I would hope that most Army Reserve LTCs with intelligence training would know more about how to cover their tracks than this woman did.

However, the facts are that even if she had worked harder to cover her tracks, there are ways she could have been tracked down. The basic rule still applies — if you don't want to have somebody read it, don't write it down.

Of course, not saying or doing something you want to hide is the best solution of all.

27 posted on 11/16/2012 3:51:10 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: neverdem
BTW, here's excerpts from an article on the FBI agent who took the initial report from Mrs. Kelley:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/us/petraeus-e-mail-investigation.html?emc=tnt&tntemail1=y&_r=0

Veteran F.B.I. Agent Helped Start Petraeus E-Mail Inquiry

DOVER, Fla. — The F.B.I. agent who spurred the investigation that led to the resignation of David H. Petraeus as C.I.A. director is a “hard-charging” veteran who helped investigate the foiled millennium terrorist plot in 1999, colleagues said on Wednesday.

The agent, Frederick W. Humphries II, 47, is also described by former colleagues as relentless in his pursuit of what he sees as wrongdoing, which appears to describe his role in the F.B.I. investigation involving Mr. Petraeus. Suspecting that the case involved serious security issues and was being stalled, possibly for political reasons — a suspicion his superiors say was unjustified — he took his concerns to Congressional Republicans.

28 posted on 11/16/2012 4:50:46 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: sdcraigo

Yes. Really, why would any government turn their exclusive global intel communications network over to the “little people”?!!


29 posted on 11/16/2012 5:18:36 AM PST by two23
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To: neverdem

This is why I don’t use computers or the internet for anything!!!


30 posted on 11/16/2012 6:25:29 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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