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ABC News: Hey, This Doctor Shortage Could "Crash" Obamacare
Townhall ^ | 11/15/2012 | Guy Benson

Posted on 11/15/2012 8:43:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
Why not accept more applicants to Medical School?

The only ones stupid enough to apply are not ones you would want to be doctors.
51 posted on 11/15/2012 9:13:53 AM PST by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You should see the number of ‘nurses’ bungling the mandatory flu shots for ‘healthcare employees’ in Red Hampshire...injecting in the wrong location has left employees with painful swelling and other unpleasant consequences...a number of employees are freaking out...


52 posted on 11/15/2012 9:14:09 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Logical me
Pills from a computer model will be the new doctor.

I wonder if the computer models will be as accurate as the globull warming models?


53 posted on 11/15/2012 9:14:19 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: Average Al

RE: Good luck finding a doctor that accepts new Medicare patients!

If ObamaCare can force a Catholic institution to pay for someone’s contraceptive and abortificent, I can’t see why a law can’t be passed to FORCE Doctors ( under pain of fines or license revocation ) to ACCEPT Medicare patients.

52% of Roman Catholics did not care about what their church stands for and voted for The One.

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54 posted on 11/15/2012 9:14:19 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The answer is simple: just redefine the requirements of what it takes to become a doctor. You know - just lower the bar so any dummy can become an MD for a song and a dance. And a small fee.

Voila! Plenty of ‘doctors’ now.


55 posted on 11/15/2012 9:14:30 AM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: redangus

And Kiran Kareti and Krishna Malineni are probably eying moving to Singapore where they can make money with taking the lash of government.


56 posted on 11/15/2012 9:16:03 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: redangus

And Kiran Kareti and Krishna Malineni are probably eying moving to Singapore where they can make money without taking the lash of government.


57 posted on 11/15/2012 9:16:29 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: 9YearLurker

Our dogs’ vet told us there is already a shortage of meds for animals. Some drugs are just going away and there are no replacements. Would have loved to have discussed with him the reasons, but I think he wants to be apolitical with clients.


58 posted on 11/15/2012 9:16:29 AM PST by sockhead (Socialism: trickle up poverty.)
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To: BlueStateRightist
"And, yes, get ready for your serious medical conditions to be addressed by a salaried physician assistant or nurse practitioner. "

This is the answer to the INTENDED consequence of doctor shortages. I have recently discovered that some orthopedic surgeons are allowing MA's to give intra-articular injections! I think we will all remember the day of seeing a LNP or PA as the good old days. I punched out and sold my practice this year. I expect many to join me in the coming days and years.

59 posted on 11/15/2012 9:16:39 AM PST by strongbow
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To: Political Junkie Too
"Now, it seems, they will become slaves to the state, indentured to perform a needed service to the masses."

Mua-HAHaha.

You are correct in observation of correct application of Marxist theory:
All Bourgeoisie becomes slaves to state - then workers.

Welcome to Amerika.
60 posted on 11/15/2012 9:17:26 AM PST by Darteaus94025
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To: dfwgator

“I suspect soon the medical profession will become like the military....you sign up and get your medical education paid, but in return you will go where they send you for your first 10 years.”

Those programs have existed for a long time. The problem is that there is a heck of a lot of training required after medical school, depending on what you wind up doing. From the day I stepped into medical school it was 13 years before I completed all the training I did to do what I do, 9 of those after I completed medical school. If I had gone the military route, my payback time wouldn’t have started until after those 13 years. I feel privileged being a doc. Always have, but it was a pretty bad investment of my time when looked upon economically. A good part of those 9 years when I was getting advanced training I was moonlighting to pay for loans I’d taken out.

Honestly, I don’t care anymore. I’m just tired of being characterized as a villain, most often by people who have never worked that hard. What’s the point? I would never not do my best for a patient, but the joy is out of it in a big way.


61 posted on 11/15/2012 9:19:16 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: TigerClaws
“Why work if I can’t keep the money I make? I’ll cover my expenses and make what I need then shut the doors and wait out this four years.”

62 posted on 11/15/2012 9:21:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Pining_4_TX

And this will any different how? We already have to Patel’s in Evansville. And several Mohammed’s and Hussain’s. It’s most upsetting when a white-American-male can’t get into med school but put a foreigner in the running, they get it hands down. Not sorry that sounds like I’m racist, I’m not, just tired of the crap.


63 posted on 11/15/2012 9:22:04 AM PST by southernindymom
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To: BlueStateRightist

Worse care, less frequently (as appointments will be rarer than gold), with fewer phone calls returned. Obama, Pelosi and Reid have destroyed our future.


All of what you say is true. Yet when I try to explain it to a dim they just turn off and refuse to process the information.

Government run health care is really a religion to these people. The fantasy that if the “rich” just pay a little more than everybody can have great health care is an outrageous lie.

I lived much of the last 10 years in Europe. I saw how much the middle class pays for government health care. These dim bulbs who voted for the kenyan have no idea how hard reality is about to hammer them.


64 posted on 11/15/2012 9:22:08 AM PST by lodi90
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To: SeekAndFind
This is ridiculous. FPs are already finding themselves replaced by NPs and PAs.

An NP or PA is as good as an FP--if that NP or PA has lots and lots, years and years, of experience

If he is still wearing braces, run for the hills. The Green ones will kill ya.

We need--trauma surgeons, general surgeons, specialists and internal medicine specialists.

We can deal with the lack of FPs by trying to work NPs and PAs as hard as we can when they are young, so that they become good para-physicians.

That's my 2 cents, not that anyone gives a flip.

I suspect this all comes from the FP licensing boards, or people with a vested financial interest in the dying and increasingly irrelevant specialty of "family practice" --

65 posted on 11/15/2012 9:23:52 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Godwin1
No problem: we will continue importing unqualified doctors from Third World hellholes.

Unqualified??? How do they get their license(s) to practice? Your state operates no testing boards?

66 posted on 11/15/2012 9:26:19 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: SeekAndFind
It is very very very very (how many verys do idiots need? How many times have I posted this very thing--?)

EXPENSIVE. it is EXPENSIVE to educate any medical professional.

It's CHEAP to educate a LAWYER. You find walk down basement law schools all over the place.

67 posted on 11/15/2012 9:27:06 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: jsanders2001
Don't insult veterinarians. My father was one. He practiced in a small town back where I was born back in the mid-1950's. There was a single physician in the area as well. When either of them left town, there was a standing agreement that each would look after the other's patients until they returned.

In addition, father had access to the medicine man on the reservation, even though it was half a day's drive away. In those day, the feds basically left Native Americans alone. Modern libtards would say they "neglected" us. But I can tell you for a fact that substance abuse was very rare on father's reservation when I visited as a kid. Our people were also generally more healthy and more mobile and quite inclined to leave the reservation as father did, World War II service and the GI Bill of Rights provided him with the ticket out.

Today, the libtards would arrest the medicine man for practicing without a license and encourage the sale of drugs and fire water so they could create a substance abuse problem big enough to establish an agency there to employ more bureaucrats to take care of us.

68 posted on 11/15/2012 9:27:13 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

69 posted on 11/15/2012 9:31:15 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Look at how many cases of fraud and/or illness caused by lack of proper medical procedures have been at the hands of foreign doctors and nurses.”

And look at how many people have died from the meningitis outbreak caused by drugs produced in Massachusetts.

Neglect by the Mass Pharmacy Board to investigate complaints about the lab responsible have contributed to the deaths of at least 30 people and the infection of hundreds more. The FDA knew about the sterility problems since 2002. This is foretaste of what to expect on a wide scale when more crooked profiteers protected by corrupt bureaucrats jump into the government health care game.

The “affordable healthcare” bill is a recipe for corruption. The Obama cronies are salivating at the $$ opportunities that Obamacare will unleash.


70 posted on 11/15/2012 9:31:33 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlueStateRightist
RE: Obama, Pelosi and Reid have destroyed our future.


71 posted on 11/15/2012 9:32:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

My cardiologist told me months ago that if the election didn’t go well, he is looking into moving to Australia.

He wasn’t joking.


72 posted on 11/15/2012 9:32:34 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: formosa

Yes many said that they would close shop because of Obmama care. And you can bet that the field of doctoring is going to see a whole lot less colleges entry’s. Why go to school for all those years just to live on a Set government paycheck.


73 posted on 11/15/2012 9:32:48 AM PST by Revel
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To: SeekAndFind

My cardiologist told me months ago that if the election didn’t go well, he is looking into moving to Australia.

He wasn’t joking.


74 posted on 11/15/2012 9:33:37 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: jsanders2001

Actually there are plenty of vets making more than many doctors. Much lower regulatory costs, quicker receipt of payments with many fewer hassles.


75 posted on 11/15/2012 9:33:55 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No matter the cause, and no matter how much Obamacare did not address the cause - access to and quality of primary care physicians - I think the general problem is real.

Primary care physicians are not among the most well-rewarded doctors, and yet in the best of settings their role is every bit as important as medical specialists, if not more so in the immediate sense when an adverse health condition arises and medical help is needed.

One of the key roles of a good primary care physician is in initial diagnosis, and in that process recognizing when a medical speciality, or different medical specialities are best suited for either more extensive diagnosis or treatment; or not.

It is a difficuly role in which referral to a medical speciality can be recommended, or failed to be called upon too often (often). When abused - calling on various medical specialities more often than really needed - the process raises health care costs without improving outcomes, and when denied to an excess patients receive inadequate care and excessive times reaching a good resolution of an issue. The health care industry is plagued with both of those problems - too much and too little use of medical specialists - and we can only expect that it is the medical education institutions that fail to produce significant numbers of very good primary care doctors.

The solution does not require any federal program or federal dollars. It requires the medical education to make better use of the dollars they already obtain, particularly in the area of the education of primary care physicians. It would not hurt for those institutions to raise, among their students, the importance of the primary care doctor in making those patient assessments that most correctly and most efficiently employ the servicea of medical specialists.


76 posted on 11/15/2012 9:34:21 AM PST by Wuli
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To: SoFloFreeper

RE: he is looking into moving to Australia.

1) My Brother trained in U Penn’s Children’s Hospital as a Pediatrician and Neonatologist.

2) He went to Australia years ago on a Fellowship program but had to pass THEIR qualifying exams.

He is now practicing there.

Your cardiologist might have to do the same.


77 posted on 11/15/2012 9:35:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: jsanders2001
Think there will be new doctors entering the field if most of the profitability is taken out of it? The pay in their field will be reduced to that of a veterinarian in no time if Obamascare continues.

Well Oblather will fix that easily. Just reduce the pay of the veterinarinans--duh.

78 posted on 11/15/2012 9:37:00 AM PST by subterfuge (************ Believe Barry Obama's Propaganda At Your Own Peril **************)
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To: SeekAndFind

The three docs in our family circle are closing their practices next year. The Medicaid crowd will have go to the White House for healing from Obama.


79 posted on 11/15/2012 9:38:04 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Puppage

It is neither affordable nor healthcare............


80 posted on 11/15/2012 9:38:28 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why not accept more applicants to Medical School?

That will probably be the answer, tuition's subsidized by the tax payer no doubt.

Problem is, that will lead to many sub standard doctors.

JMO.

81 posted on 11/15/2012 9:39:48 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: SeekAndFind

When the doctor shortage gets really bad - and it will - dems will solve the ‘problem’ by lowing standards for medical personalel...

“Job Training Programs’ those spread the wealth around boondoggles for inner city neighborhoods will now be the the perferred training centers for medical assistants. Your new ‘doctor’ will by the guy who couldn’t find a job because his rap sheet was too long...


82 posted on 11/15/2012 9:40:05 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: Tau Food

“The roles of nurse pracitioners and physicians assistants will expand to include treatment of most routine illnesses and injuries. “

That is, until they can no longer to pay malparactice. The system gamers will find this out in a NY minute.


83 posted on 11/15/2012 9:41:11 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: SeekAndFind
When the doctor shortage gets really bad - and it will - dems will solve the ‘problem’ by lowing standards for medical personnel...

“Job Training Programs’ those 'spread the wealth around boondoggles' for inner city neighborhoods will now be the the preferred training centers for medical assistants. Your new ‘doctor’ will be the guy who couldn't find a job because his rap sheet was too long...

84 posted on 11/15/2012 9:41:16 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Adding primary care doctors and physicians extenders (PAs, NPs)at the expense of specialists will drastically reduce quality. All the major advances in life expectency and QOL are via speciality care. PCPs, NPs and PAs can’t give chemo, put in hips or coronary stents.
This will get very ugly, guaranteed.


85 posted on 11/15/2012 9:41:59 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: southernindymom
Not sorry that sounds like I’m racist, I’m not, just tired of the crap.

What's the point if you can't even understand what they're saying?

86 posted on 11/15/2012 9:42:57 AM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: strongbow
This is the answer to the INTENDED consequence of doctor shortages.

A sick, stupid, hungry population is easier to control...

87 posted on 11/15/2012 9:44:09 AM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: COBOL2Java
Perhaps we will follow the British model and avert the shortage by replacing them with 26 year old middle eastern “surgeons” like the ones who bombed Glasgow International Airport in 2007

We can't be far off from incorporating "alternative" medicines...that's why the use of leeches and even maggots, has been in the news lately. A blood-letting, anyone?

88 posted on 11/15/2012 9:44:13 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: COBOL2Java

CRNA’s have a great job and make a very nice living.

Most people do not even know that CRNA’s do most of the anesthesia in this country (under the direction of an anesthesiologist).


89 posted on 11/15/2012 9:46:45 AM PST by Clarence
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To: jsanders2001; Scoutmaster
Dems will solve the ‘problem’ by lowing standards for medical personnel...

“Job Training Programs’ those spread the wealth around boondoggles for inner city neighborhoods will now be the the preferred training centers for medical assistants. Your new ‘doctor’ will be the guy who couldn't find a job because his rap sheet was too long...

The next group to be thrown under the bus will be trial lawyers. Face it, poorly trained government workers will make 'mistakes' and if you or a loved one are one of those 'mistakes' the gov. can't afford allowing YOU to sue.. So the good news is no one will have to worry about malpractice insurance...

90 posted on 11/15/2012 9:48:24 AM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: SeekAndFind
52% of Roman Catholics did not care about what their church stands for

The Church certainly doesn't stand for socialism, but you wouldn't know it if you listen to certain members of the hierarchy.

"Boston’s Cardinal O’Malley Batting for Obamacare"

http://angelqueen.org/2012/07/02/bostons-cardinal-omalley-batting-for-obama/

91 posted on 11/15/2012 9:50:07 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Get ready for your doctor to be named Mohammed or Patel.”

This is happening now. I took someone to ER last year and was greeted by MDs from Cameroon, Senegal, India, and Ireland. All seemed competent and everything went well, but some of them had unpronounceable (by me) names and all had accents, so many things got repeated.


92 posted on 11/15/2012 9:51:01 AM PST by DBrow
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To: SeekAndFind

Not only do they want to put insurance companies out of business, but they also want to restrict the number of doctors so they can control who becomes a doctor. Then they will set it up so doctors get a salary just a bit higher than a subway-sweeper job.
Just like in the Soviet Union.
Look it up.


93 posted on 11/15/2012 9:53:32 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: SeekAndFind

The big problem will be in Medicaid and Medicare. Both programs work by paying doctors directly for having treated someone. The problem is that reimbursements to doctors keep getting cut. At this point, when most doctors treat Medicaid patients, it is a charity case because they lose money. That’s why it is hard for Medicaid patients to even find a doctor who will treat them.

The result is that Medicaid patients get terrible medical care. The recent Univ VA study of surgical outcomes for Medicaid patients found that they were 97% more likely to die in surgery than privately insured patients. It also found they were 13% more likely to die in surgery than UNINSURED patients.

Most people don’t know this. But the Chief Medicare Actuary has projected the Medicare cuts that are in Obamacare. His estimates are that by 2019, Medicare doctors will be receiving LOWER reimbursements than Medicaid doctors. The inevitable result of this is the same, or worse, medical care for the elderly on Medicare than for the low-income on Medicaid. I have a friend on Medicare whose cardiologist has stopped treating him because of the Medicare cuts coming in Obamacare. He has been unable to find a replacement who is willing to treat him despite a six month search, despite an ongoing cardiology problem that is non-trivial.


94 posted on 11/15/2012 9:53:51 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: nutmeg

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95 posted on 11/15/2012 9:55:31 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: txrefugee

RE: The three docs in our family circle are closing their practices next year.

What on earth are they planning to do next?

Years of Medical training and then what?


96 posted on 11/15/2012 9:56:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Clarence

Don’t bank on a dental future. I’m a retired DDS who knows many grads with $200,000+ debt and no place to practice ‘decent’ dentistry. Many end up working in ‘dental mill’ clinics. I have personally steered many youth out of the Medical/Dental fields. Unless you have a strong humanitarian urge, stay away.


97 posted on 11/15/2012 9:56:30 AM PST by yadent
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To: SeekAndFind

What could possibly go wrong...

Dramatically increase the number of patients who will abuse the system, since they’ll be getting “free” medical “care.”

Don’t increase the number of doctors...

Watch the number of existing doctors drop, as new price controls are placed on what the doctors are allowed to charge for their services, while the price of the procedures go up, due to new taxes on medical devices and instruments.

Yup, what can go wrong?

Of course, Obama recently admitted that he really can’t handle 7th grade math...

Mark


98 posted on 11/15/2012 9:58:18 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: COBOL2Java

“The nomenklatura will always receive the best care from the best doctors and the best hospitals”

Maybe. But there will probably be a few doctors that cannot risk the temptation to make a ‘mistake’ on one of their political tormentors.

When Stalin had a stroke, the attending physician was afraid to lay a hand on him.


99 posted on 11/15/2012 10:01:57 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Yep. Texans might start feeling the other edge of the tort reform sword before long.


100 posted on 11/15/2012 10:05:30 AM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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