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Montana Legislator wants to be paid in silver and gold
The Daily Inter Lake ^ | 8:08 am, Tue Nov 13, 2012. | By JIM MANN

Posted on 11/13/2012 3:53:15 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin

State Rep. Jerry O’Neil, R-Columbia Falls, is spooked enough about the country’s fiscal picture to request that his legislative pay come in the form of gold and silver coins.

In a letter sent to Montana Legislative Services this week, O’Neil cites Article 1, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution, which states in part that no state shall “make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts.”

He said that in his 10 years as a legislator, he considered it a “trivial matter” and he “did not want to be branded as a fanatic over an issue of no consequence.”

But now he says he is looking at the value of the dollar “in a new light.”

The country’s $16 trillion debt “is a warning sign we can only ignore at our peril,” he wrote. “It is very likely the bottom will fall out from under the U.S. dollar. Only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value.”

Contacted at his Columbia Falls-area home, O’Neil said that he did not contact Legislative Services prior to sending the letter to see if there may be any logistical barriers to providing his legislative pay in gold and silver.

He said he doesn’t know what to expect in the way of a response.

“They might just go to the coin shop and get me gold and silver coins, or they might say I have to do it myself,” he said. “I don’t know.”

O’Neil said he is largely trying to make a point and get “people to start thinking about what will happen if our money collapses. Also, I would like the state to think about the logistics of actually following the Constitution when it comes to gold and silver coin.”

The clause that he cites in the Constitution fell to irrelevance in all states, O’Neil believes, starting with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

“One of the arguing points of passing that was to make money more elastic,” he said.

In his letter, O’Neil points out that he does not want to be paid at the face value of $50 American Eagle gold coins or $1 silver American Eagle coins. He stipulates that he should be paid at their market values, currently $1,801 for the gold coin and $35.28 for the silver coin.

“Let’s say I made $1,800 in a month. They could give one gold American Eagle” or multiple silver American Eagles, he said.

“Hopefully this will be an example for our Montana citizens and prompt them to also have some of their own wealth in money that has intrinsic value,” his letter concludes.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Montana
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Only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value

A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money.

1 posted on 11/13/2012 3:53:21 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CirrRY_6aaU


2 posted on 11/13/2012 3:58:25 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
He stipulates that he should be paid at their market values, currently $1,801 for the gold coin and $35.28 for the silver coin.

Sure, why not. It's only the taxpayers' money after all.

3 posted on 11/13/2012 4:01:04 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This clown is unfit for office if this is his level of reading comprehension. if states want to issue their own money, it has to be gold or silver. US currency is legal tender in all states.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 4:07:44 PM PST by wideawake
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Good luck trying to get paid in precious metals. There are places these days that don’t even accept cash regardless of the “This note is legal tender for all debts public and private” printed on it.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 4:09:34 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: DeaconBenjamin

At this point, I don’t think any elected official should be paid at all.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 4:09:35 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: DeaconBenjamin

At this point, I don’t think any elected official should be paid at all. They should be paying us. We’re the ones getting screwed.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 4:10:08 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: wideawake

“This clown is unfit for office if this is his level of reading comprehension. if states want to issue their own money, it has to be gold or silver. US currency is legal tender in all states.”

Except, the same section prohibits the States from coining money, so it obviously can’t mean that...


8 posted on 11/13/2012 4:11:00 PM PST by altsehastiin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Coming soon, for a loaf of bread:
9 posted on 11/13/2012 4:11:10 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

At this point, I’d just about settle for a kiss.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 4:11:57 PM PST by null and void (America - Abducted by Aliens...)
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To: Wolfie

If his salary is $1,801 every two weeks, then what does it hurt to give him a coin twice a month instead of cash? It’s the same value.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 4:12:10 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Until we get to hyper-inflation, he should have time to cash his check and use it to buy the gold himself


12 posted on 11/13/2012 4:12:33 PM PST by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
So the ruling class that exempts themselves from the consequences they subject us to want to be exempted from the consequences of dollar devaluation, too?

(Yes, I know this is a state legislator not a federal one, but still...)

13 posted on 11/13/2012 4:14:13 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: wideawake
This clown is unfit for office if this is his level of reading comprehension. if states want to issue their own money, it has to be gold or silver. US currency is legal tender in all states.

You are wrong.

US Constitution, Article I, Section. 10, Paragraph 1:
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

14 posted on 11/13/2012 4:15:25 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Wolfie
He's making a point that gets press.

I agree with him that the dollar is worthless.

If I demanded to be paid in gold or silver, it wouldn't make news.

He did and his demand did. I'm calling this good naked truth.

15 posted on 11/13/2012 4:15:59 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Proud2BeRight
Good luck trying to get paid in precious metals. There are places these days that don’t even accept cash regardless of the “This note is legal tender for all debts public and private” printed on it.

Offer in cash, when they say they won't take it, get it in writing, signed by a manager or somesuch (bonus points if you bring a notary), then walk away.

If/when they bring it up in court produce your document, claim that because they refused payment (as documented) you considered it a gift.

16 posted on 11/13/2012 4:18:28 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 5thGenTexan
>So the ruling class that exempts themselves from the consequences they subject us to want to be exempted from the consequences of dollar devaluation, too?

Actually he’s said just the opposite (2), that he’s doing this to bring devaluation to light (1).

(1) — He does not want to be paid at the face value of $50 American Eagle gold coins or $1 silver American Eagle coins. He stipulates that he should be paid at their market values, currently $1,801 for the gold coin and $35.28 for the silver coin.
(2) — The country’s $16 trillion debt “is a warning sign we can only ignore at our peril,” he wrote. “It is very likely the bottom will fall out from under the U.S. dollar. Only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value.”

17 posted on 11/13/2012 4:23:21 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

I like your idea. Interestingly, the example I was thinking about is trying to purchase a meal with cash on a flight.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 4:26:57 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight
Hey get off of it, Jerry is a long time friend of mine, He is very well known for his actions to uphold the law both in State and Federal Cases. I say if Jerry is for it then it must be right. Go Get’m Jerry. Good Luck
19 posted on 11/13/2012 4:37:16 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ( Your life is like a coin, you can spend it on what ever you want, but you can only spend it once.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
What part of "This note is legal tender for all debts public and private" don't you understand?

Why should the taxpayers pay to convert your ill-gotten gains?

20 posted on 11/13/2012 4:57:01 PM PST by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: Wolfie

he would still be paid the same


21 posted on 11/13/2012 5:05:26 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: carriage_hill
When I was growing up in the 1940s I collected stamps. One of my prized items was a German postage stamp, which was overprinted as selling for several billion (that's billion with a B) Marks. I can't remember the exact number now, but I do remember the billions.

It was only years later that I learned about the Weimar hyperinflation. I was appalled at the idea that someone could have worked hard, saved his money, only to find that his lifetime savings were no longer enough to buy a postage stamp.

Looks like we're well on the way there ourselves.

22 posted on 11/13/2012 5:05:38 PM PST by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

How about a nice Burl Ives recording?


23 posted on 11/13/2012 5:11:21 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Contacted at his Columbia Falls-area home, O’Neil said that he did not contact Legislative Services prior to sending the letter to see if there may be any logistical barriers to providing his legislative pay in gold and silver.

It is sad that this Republican is so profoundly ignorant. After the establishment of the Federal Reserve, the confiscation of Gold by FDR, and the 40,000 laws that have been interpreted as nulifying the Bill of Rights, his chances of getting paid in gold (at face value,) is essentially ZERO.

The average d******t (47%) has an excuse; an elected politician does not.

24 posted on 11/13/2012 5:15:19 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: OneWingedShark

He isn’t being paid with “state coined money”, so there is no violation of the constitution.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 5:17:58 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
He isn’t being paid with “state coined money”, so there is no violation of the constitution.

I didn't say he was; I was replying to a poster who said "if states want to issue their own money, it has to be gold or silver" -- the issuance of gold/silver is called coining, that is prohibited in the portion of the Constitution I cited.

26 posted on 11/13/2012 5:23:02 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

At the rate we’re plunging into debt and inflation, a massive economic and societal collapse is just a short drive down the block. Prep for it...


27 posted on 11/13/2012 5:23:41 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: publius911
his chances of getting paid in gold (at face value,) is essentially ZERO.

He didn't want paid at face value, but at market value; see the penultimate sentence.

28 posted on 11/13/2012 5:24:05 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Here’s an idea.

Take your paper money and trade them in for gold coins.

See, that wasn’t so hard.


29 posted on 11/13/2012 5:25:19 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: OneWingedShark

He doesn’t care about the coins, he cares about calling attention to the issue


30 posted on 11/13/2012 5:27:23 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Winstons Julia

That is precisely what I thought of as soon as I saw that headline and was going to find and post a link to that video on here. :-)


31 posted on 11/13/2012 5:52:12 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Wolfie

It always was


32 posted on 11/13/2012 5:53:13 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: carriage_hill

That looks like some of the money I was using in Argentina years ago. It was mind numbing.


33 posted on 11/13/2012 6:09:27 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes

Pre or post collapse?

http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-blog/argentina-collapse/


34 posted on 11/13/2012 6:48:10 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value.

This short explanation should be taught in every Economics class and be incorporated into every oath of office.

35 posted on 11/13/2012 6:54:28 PM PST by Liberty Wins
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To: Liberty Wins
>>Only so many dollars can be printed before they have no value.
>
>This short explanation should be taught in every Economics class

This video is good at explaining things, I think.

36 posted on 11/13/2012 7:08:00 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I like it. It’s a way to raise awareness of the problem. Too many legislators think we can run the printing presses forever.

We need to grow the political backbone to address this issue head on.


37 posted on 11/13/2012 7:11:28 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I like it. It’s a way to raise awareness of the problem. Too many legislators think we can run the printing presses forever.

We need to grow the political backbone to address this issue head on.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 7:11:28 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it)
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To: Republican Wildcat

It don’t get no better than Burl Ives.


39 posted on 11/13/2012 8:00:35 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Cheapskate
This note is legal tender for all debts public and private...

Used to continue to say"...and is redeemable in lawful money at the United States Treasury or any Federal Reserve Bank."

40 posted on 11/13/2012 9:12:53 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: carriage_hill
Pre or post collapse?

Post collapse. Went to the beautiful race track outside Buenos Aries. We were at the Jockey Club, our bets were in the millions.

41 posted on 11/14/2012 4:05:21 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes

I can’t even imagine, but I might soon have to.


42 posted on 11/14/2012 4:21:06 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

He’s gonna be a Dental Floss Tycoon.


43 posted on 11/14/2012 4:22:44 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: carriage_hill

From what I heard the gov. subtracted (6 ?) zeros off the currency overnight. A true nightmare.


44 posted on 11/14/2012 7:08:34 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Smokin' Joe

45 posted on 11/14/2012 7:36:52 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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