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The GOP Canít Afford to Ignore Cities Anymore
TNR ^ | 11/13/12 | DePillis

Posted on 11/13/2012 11:55:33 AM PST by pabianice

After a week of election postmortems, one thing is clear: Mitt Romney’s failure to understand America’s changing demographics led to his undoing. But there was another killer: Geography. Deep blue cities and their inner suburbs came out for Barack Obama, pulling the president through in battleground states like Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. And they put him so far ahead in places like Wisconsin, Nevada, and Pennsylvania that Romney never really had a chance (not to mention his home base of Suffolk County, Massachusetts, which went 78 percent for the president).

Of course, this isn't a new phenomenon. In 2008, Obama took cities even more convincingly, allowing him to win North Carolina and Indiana as well. But America is only growing more urban, with cities that had been losing population since the 1960s finally starting to swell again. Eventually, fast-growing blue cities like San Antonio, Houston, and Austin could bring even the GOP stronghold of Texas within the Democrats' reach. In the long term, the stakes are high: Republicans could be relegated to permanent minority party status.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: blackvote; bluezones; hispanicvote; outreach; rncstrategy; urban
This article is full of crap, I know, but I post it because the question is valid: can conservatives ever again win a presidential election when the Liberals' 40-year strategy of creating more and more dumbed-down city "gimmees" keeps increasing their proportion of the electorate?
1 posted on 11/13/2012 11:55:37 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Nope. It makes no sense to get in a bidding war for the favor of the palms-up crowd. It would be like negotiating with your children about the limits of their candy consumption.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 11:58:36 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: pabianice

I agree with the notion that we should not pander, however, if it weren’t for LA, San Francisco, Chicago, and Philadelphia, the GOP would win CA, IL, and PA and get an additional 5 Senate seats.


3 posted on 11/13/2012 11:59:27 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: pabianice

Sorry, I think the cities need the suburbs and rural areas much more than the suburbs and rural areas need cities.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 12:01:04 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: pabianice

On the other hand, the left’s fixation in abortion and homosexuality will eventually lead to lower numbers. Unless they, and limp-wristed republicans, allow unlimited illegal immigration.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 12:02:35 PM PST by ABQHispConservative
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To: pabianice
I have less in common with a dedicated resident of NYC or Chicago than I do with the average Martian.

Most of what they want is threatening to my core values.

6 posted on 11/13/2012 12:02:37 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: pabianice
can conservatives ever again win a presidential election when the Liberals' 40-year strategy of creating more and more dumbed-down city "gimmees" keeps increasing their proportion of the electorate?

Nope.

7 posted on 11/13/2012 12:03:20 PM PST by grobdriver
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To: pabianice

Even the small cities, like mine - York, PA, have been conceded by the GOP. We tried to get Republicans elected, I ran for City Controller, and we got zero support from the county GOP organization. We even found our local GOP Congressman Todd Platts supporting the Democrat candidate for mayor.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 12:03:20 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: ABQHispConservative

The left has an inexhaustible breeding program for useful idiots.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 12:04:40 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: ABQHispConservative

“On the other hand, the left’s fixation in abortion and homosexuality will eventually lead to lower numbers. Unless they, and limp-wristed republicans, allow unlimited illegal immigration.”

Except that the lefties recruit more into acceptance through the public school system and mass media.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 12:08:33 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: pabianice

Detroit was once a large city of over 1 million.

1.0287 Million
Jul 1990

706,585
Jul 2011

The Dems did with voter fraud what they just couldn’t do with voters.

Don’t buy the BS the GOPe is trying to feed us. We do not need to be like the Dems to win. What we need are clearly defined principles and leaders that are willing to FIGHT for them.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 12:08:41 PM PST by Scarlet Pimpernel (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?)
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To: pabianice

Without reading the details of how they would do it, I agree with the headline.

But we need to fight to win these places back, not buy into liberalism. It’s not impossible. Republicans got close in Philadelphia not long ago and gee, guess what, the dems played the race card to turn it around.


12 posted on 11/13/2012 12:09:01 PM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: pabianice
The cities have bigger chimneys for Barack O Clause to get down.
13 posted on 11/13/2012 12:11:45 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: pabianice

We should always be taking our case to everybody, and overlook nobody.

It does not mean that we need to sell out and play the same games, but we should be trying to engage everybody.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 12:11:45 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: pabianice

We’ll lose more than we would gain by trying to appeal to the ghetto dwellers.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 12:13:15 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: pabianice

The fact is republicans ignore cities and black voters because republicans don’t get any votes from them.

There are many shifts that have been a disaster for our country, and here are some of them:

1 Democrat party shift hard left.

2 Black vote shift hard dem.

3 Black vote shift hard left.

4 Solid dem control of cities.

5 Academia shift hard left.

The list goes on. Fact is republicans let it all happen so they can get elected in the conservative areas, and leave liberal cities to the dems. In the end it’s bad for America for a number of reasons, one big one being we allowed the leftist population to grow and it is almost (not quite) a national majority.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 12:16:38 PM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: pabianice

The only demographics that have changed is the gimme! gimme! crowd has now grown larger than the wimpy PC crowd giving the handouts. It’s our own fault for letting our government get so out of control with spending and giving away our hard earned tax dollars.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 12:17:21 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Perdogg

In just a few years those big cities will be smoldering ruins. We just have to keep the zombies contained there before they turn the countryside into zombie wastelands as well.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 12:19:18 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: pabianice
Heads a liberal wins, tails a liberal wins. A conservative could have actually offered a choice for voters...

Let’s see.. 3 million voters who stayed home each election since the last time a conservative was nominated for the GOP ticket, times 5 elections - that’s a landslide right there.

The GOP can no longer afford to ignore the conservative vote.

19 posted on 11/13/2012 12:21:22 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel

“What we need are clearly defined principles and leaders that are willing to FIGHT for them”

Amen, sir, Amen!


20 posted on 11/13/2012 12:22:27 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: pabianice
According to the US Census bureau, in 2011 the median household income in New York City was $49,461. But the median household income for New York State was $55,246 in 2011. In spite of the excessive lifestyles of the rich and famous living on that glittering island in the Hudson River, the median New York State household earns (produces) more than the median New York City household. (The average is higher for the state, too.) I can't imagine how bad the comparison is for Detroit or Camden, New Jersey.
21 posted on 11/13/2012 12:25:58 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: pabianice

I think we’re probably at the point where “he that is filthy; let him be filthy still (in peace)”. - Vote “present” and let the DEMOCRATS and OBAMA own the coming mess. - Any resistance will just be demogagued to death as “obstructionism” by Hairy Reed and the rest of them. Any “bipartisanship” will only result in the coming mess being wholly blamed on those horrible,evil, RICH REPUBLICANS. - No. No more. I’m sick of it. - Vote “present” and let ‘er rip. - AND do not allow the Democrats to demagogue you by calling voting “present” obstructionist. They’re in the “cat seat”; and being nasty and smug about it; and CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT!


22 posted on 11/13/2012 12:26:56 PM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: pabianice

OK, so we won’t “ignore” them,
but can we still DESPISE them?


23 posted on 11/13/2012 12:27:57 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I have less in common with a dedicated resident of NYC or Chicago than I do with the average Martian.

Bears repeating.

A truth that is becoming ever more so as time marches on. This is a very different country from what we grew up in.

24 posted on 11/13/2012 12:29:03 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: pabianice

The article is dead right. I don’t know if most of the commenters actually read it, but he describes how the Tea Party agenda could work in urban areas. He’s right, if there’s a future for the GOP, making big cities at least competitive has to be part of it. We can’t win with the Democrats stacking up vote margins based on winning 100% of the vote in 57 different densely-populated wards in Philadelphia. Great cities are the product of free market capitalism, not big government. Even now, go to any city in the U.S., and first visit the “civic center area” and then go to the “financial district”. The contrast is as plain as day.

Yes, becoming relevant in the cities may mean adopting a sort of “truce” on social issues. I think the easy answer is that the federal government should not be involved in social issues; those have traditionally been the purview of state and local governments. If Mississippi doesn’t want abortion and gay marriage, but California, or even theoretically New Orleans, does, then so be it. We need to establish a set of principles based on the actual design of our Constitutional system that allows different kinds of people to live in different kinds of ways, depending on their locality.


25 posted on 11/13/2012 12:31:00 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: pabianice
Of course Conservatives can win ~ in fact, Conservatives could have won this race but the GOP-e stood in the way.

The route to victory is paved with dead bodies in fact ~ the Democrats have a marginally higher death rate than Republicans AND the ethnotypes that make up the greater body of Republicans have a much lower abortion rate than the ethnotypes who gravitate to the Democrat's black banner.

The Democrats reached their high water mark in 2008. The Republicans have yet to reach a high water mark ~ the McCain/Romney events demonstrate the error in not catering to the party's Conservative base. Those folks are ready, willing and able to bring millions of new Republican voters to the fore ~ but there's gotta' be somebody there who they'll think is worth having as a candidate.

Let me predict that within the next decade Republican gains will so far outpace Democrat losses in voting strength that folks will wonder just exactly who the Democrats were and what they stood for.

26 posted on 11/13/2012 12:33:00 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Except that the children cannot vote, and the palms-up crowd votes, multiple times. I agree that a “bidding war” is not the way to go, but it is not the same as the candy example, IMHO.


27 posted on 11/13/2012 12:35:32 PM PST by NEMDF
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To: pabianice

If one more queer says conservatives need to move to the Left to win elections, I am going to scream and scratch their eyes out!


28 posted on 11/13/2012 12:35:46 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (There goes the dominoes...)
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To: pabianice
The GOP Can’t Afford to Ignore Massive Election Fraud Perpetrated by Cities Anymore

Fixed it.

29 posted on 11/13/2012 12:38:35 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: pabianice

Good God people.. the GOP needs to be flushed..
Somebody please flush that thing.. it stinks..


30 posted on 11/13/2012 12:39:37 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: MrB

just thinking, why not take a page form the democratic playbook. Since most swing states don’t have voter id laws,
why not have have consevatives from solid RED states “Move” to blue states, get an address from another conservative to use as a mailing address. Have bills sent to that address to be used on same day registration. In Cincinnati Ohio all you need to register is a bill with your name on it.

This only works if you’re from a solid Red state and by not voting in your home state it would still remain Red.

This is one way to fight fraud.


31 posted on 11/13/2012 12:40:40 PM PST by NonDemo
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To: NonDemo

Amazing what can be accomplished when you totally disregard all rules of conduct and decorum, isn’t it?


32 posted on 11/13/2012 12:41:58 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: pabianice
More freakin stupidity. Romney won the primary in the cities and many of us warned that it would create a bigger problem in the general because those urban areas were going to go to Obama leaving Romney to pick up the people he had passed over.

Rush: Romney is winning like a liberal (from February)
33 posted on 11/13/2012 12:44:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Perdogg

A friend just returned from one of the listed cities. I asked if he cared enough to leave small pox infested blankets there. He laughed and said I guess not.

Look at those pathetic cities and add to them Miami, Atlanta, NYC, and a few others. Explain to me what we get from them as far as the nation’s community goes? Answer, not much but many headaches.


34 posted on 11/13/2012 12:47:08 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: MrB

Tactical decision. I’m not saying to vote in both states.
I believe in one vote per person. I just prefer to vote in the state I work in as opposed to the state I live in.

I live in Kentucky but work across the river in Ohio.

Cincinnati payroll taxes are taken from me and I see no benefits from it.

I do think we are in dire need of voter id laws on a national basis.


35 posted on 11/13/2012 12:55:19 PM PST by NonDemo
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To: pabianice

I would recommend endless, demoralizing, ads to suppress vote in that area along the lines of “Democrats have ruined the black family and re-enslaved them.”


36 posted on 11/13/2012 12:57:30 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: pabianice

I would recommend endless, demoralizing, ads to suppress vote in that area along the lines of “Democrats have ruined the black family and re-enslaved them.”


37 posted on 11/13/2012 12:57:49 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: muawiyah

Without neutering the Rancid Media, Rs will continue to lose. The Press gave Obama an additional 6%.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 1:10:36 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: pabianice

This article could have been written 47 years ago, when it would have urged John Vliet Lindsay as the solution for GOP woes!


39 posted on 11/13/2012 1:14:22 PM PST by Theodore R. (Once again the American people have been found sorely wanting. I think it will continue.)
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To: pabianice
just looking at what Obama got in 2008 he started out with a 14% advantage over the Republicans.

Are you saying he ended up with only 6% advantage this year?

That is actually a serious record shattering drop!

40 posted on 11/13/2012 1:14:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Theodore R.

Lindsay was passing around an STD to the various women who came to interview him.


41 posted on 11/13/2012 1:15:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: pabianice

If the party in opposition to the Progressive/Liberal/Marxist/Redistributionist/Socialist/Democrat (PLMRSD) party cannot win by espousing opposition principals and ideas, then it does not matter if the opposition party wins or loses. Our country is lost either way, whether the PLMRSD party wins or whether the opposition party wins by espousing non-opposition principals.

I’d rather go ahead and let the whole thing crash and burn quickly rather than supporting a worthless opposition party that simply drags out the destruction in a long term fashion, so that future rebuilding, if possible, starts to take place sooner.


42 posted on 11/13/2012 1:16:21 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: pabianice
I think one of the fundamental problems here is that campaign strategists are ignoring the content of the GOP platform in favor of strategy. Winning is more important that what you win.

I, and most other conservatives I know, are not willing to list all our beliefs as "for sale" to gain votes. Yes, there is some uncomfortable compromise between the center and the right that goes on when election time comes around, but I think that going after urban voters would require too much compromise in the defining core of the conservative voter.

City dwellers are generally a good fit for the Left because they both group-think. They believe the natural and moral answers to problems involve large groups of people. Consensus and cooperation, real or imagined, are very important. Those who act as individuals are irresponsible and probably dangerous.

Conservatives and country folks are a most natural fit because they tend to believe more in an individual mandate to solve a problem. When there's something wrong, I start with me to resolve it. If I can't solve the problem then, and only then, do I begin to look for others to help. I will involve the minimum outside help/influence necessary, and then only those I know and trust.

Of course those are broad generalizations, but I think those fundamental differences are what will keep the Right from appealing to urban populations any time soon.

43 posted on 11/13/2012 1:28:24 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris

Repubs have given up even challenging the Lefty filled cities. Worthless POS Party!


44 posted on 11/13/2012 1:32:57 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Perdogg

Add in Cleveland and Columbus and there is another state and another Senate seat.


45 posted on 11/13/2012 1:33:44 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: TChris
Your comments are apt on the surface, but there are exceptions. For an obvious example, Obama got almost all of the inner city Black vote, and yet his policy of softness on illegal aliens bears a causal relationship to the fact that the highest rate of unemployment is among inner-city Black youth. That is not the only factor, do not misunderstand the point. But it most certainly is a contributing factor.

Yet. that said, the politically correct RNC will not raise the point in a way that would cut into Obama's inner city vote. That needs to change.

William Flax

46 posted on 11/13/2012 1:34:46 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
...the politically correct RNC will not raise the point in a way that would cut into Obama's inner city vote. That needs to change.

I agree that there are specific areas where improvements can be made. But I think that cities will remain fundamentally Leftist in the majority.

While we can make some limited gains, conservatism won't gain significant traction with groups that are fundamentally alien to the defining characteristics of conservatism.

47 posted on 11/13/2012 1:41:34 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: pabianice

No talk about how Obama and the Democrats have to reach out to the bulk of the counties in this nation that resoundly OPPOSE their rhetoric, lies, agenda and policies.


48 posted on 11/13/2012 3:11:33 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: TChris
The inner cities will remain Leftist, but the difference between a 70% turnout, 95% for the Leftist candidate, and a 60% turnout, only 85% for the Leftist candidate, would be significant in some key States.

William Flax

49 posted on 11/14/2012 8:10:23 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
The inner cities will remain Leftist, but the difference between a 70% turnout, 95% for the Leftist candidate, and a 60% turnout, only 85% for the Leftist candidate, would be significant in some key States.

Good point.

As long as those can be picked up while remaining true to core conservatism, then I'm all for it. :)

Good luck getting past the rampant election fraud though.

50 posted on 11/14/2012 10:04:54 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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