Skip to comments.The Way Forward [Republicans Do Not Need to Radically Change]
Posted on 11/12/2012 7:32:20 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
They lose and immediately the chorus begins. Republicans must change or die. A rump party of white America, it must adapt to evolving demographics or forever be the minority.
The only part of this that is even partially true regards Hispanics. They should be a natural Republican constituency: striving immigrant community, religious, Catholic, family-oriented and socially conservative (on abortion, for example).
The principal reason they go Democratic is the issue of illegal immigrants. In securing the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney made the strategic error of (unnecessarily) going to the right of Rick Perry. Romney could never successfully tack back.
For the party in general, however, the problem is hardly structural. It requires but a single policy change: Border fence plus amnesty. Yes, amnesty. Use the word. Shock and awe full legal normalization (just short of citizenship) in return for full border enforcement.
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" More Ford 76 than Reagan 80, Romney is a transitional figure, both generationally and ideologically. Behind him, the party has an extraordinarily strong bench. In Congress Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Kelly Ayotte, (the incoming) Ted Cruz and others. And the governors Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, Nikki Haley, plus former governor Jeb Bush and the soon-retiring Mitch Daniels. (Chris Christie is currently in rehab.)
They were all either a little too young or just not personally prepared to run in 2012. No longer. There may not be a Reagan among them, but this generation of rising leaders is philosophically rooted and politically fluent in the new constitutional conservatism."
Conservatives DO have a future...we can definitely win again, let us NOT give up!
Hey Kraut! STFU. You are part of the problem.
Patently false. If the GOP acts on this misconception it will be the final nail in their coffin.
“The principal reason they go Democratic is the issue of illegal immigrants...”
Wrong. Exit polls showed that the majority of Hispanics voted for Obama to get freebies for the Takers, paid for by the Makers. They were no better than the Blacks in voting for free stuff.
Krauthammer must know this, so why is he trying to mislead his readers?
Republicans must change or die.
Give me Liberty or give me Death.
Republican party must become more Conservative or it deserves to die.
Somebody has to represent the working Americans.
blah blah blah...
Something just occurred to me. No matter who is POTUS the next 4 years will be hell. Maybe the GOP is thinking that this is a blessing in disguise. I do think Romney could have done a pretty good job getting our economy going...but the underlying finances will be extremely tough.
No, they only need to keep following the strategy that led to their stunning victories in 2008 and 2012.
True, and they need ignore Krauthammer and others who think amnesty schemes will win future Latino votes for Republicans.
>>Border fence plus amnesty. Yes, amnesty. Use the word. Shock and awe full legal normalization (just short of citizenship) in return for full border enforcement.
Been there, done that. Exactly the same deal as in 1986. The rats got their amnesty and then cut all the additional funding for border enforcement.
This is BS. The National Review editorial on why Hispanics vote Democrat has it right. This is why I’m not watching Fox anymore.
New immigrants come from corrupt, Socialist countries. They want stuff. They have no experience with the American work ethic benefiting people in a meaningful way. In my experience, the majority stay in enclaves and will take what we are willing to give, without giving in return. Tuesday’s vote bears all this out.
Republicans need to be for US jobs.
Stop importing from China, and build things here.
The problem with K’s recommendations is that the downside risk of amnesty is fatal to the Repub party. It is an option that should only be chosen if the outcome is better than 90 percent assured to increase Republican vote counts. One must consider not only the possible upside but also the possible downside and the upside appears highly uncertain if not unlikely. Past evidence does not support amnesty as a positive for Repubs. From where I sit, it seems the Repub decision makers, and K, are paying a lot of attention to demographic change numbers but insufficient attention to the risk numbers associated with amnesty.
Where is the research that shows amnesty 1) will increase Repub vote counts more than Dem vote counts and not 2) lose more votes among Repub voters than among Dem voters. Without those two numbers, at a minimum, pursuit of amnesty is playing with a radioactive level of danger. Just consider the damage to the other elements of Repub party attractiveness that would result from the reduced support for rule of law, jobs for average Americans, and increased government spending, and increased social costs.
Do you think the Repubs have analyzed these critical factors? I don’t see the evidence.
Krauthammer and some others seem to have studied a math that only includes addition. They believe that amnesty for illegals can have only one effect: an increase in Latino votes for Republicans.
If they’d learned a math that also includes subtraction, they might know that amnesty for illegals can also have another effect: a decrease in votes from conservatives who oppose amnesty, and do not believe illegal behavior should be rewarded again (as in 1986), and all the other negative, future results of amnesty for illegals.
The Republicans have agreed to more and more amnesty for decades. Reagan agreed to the first big amnesty, in return for the promise that the Democrats wouldn’t ask for any more.
Oh, yeah, trust a Democrat!
The Republicans agree to amnesty, again and again, and the Democrats get more reliable votes in response. How’s that work out, Krauthammer?
2016 will be Rick Santorum’s turn. And more of the rape & abortion talk. And we will lose again.
I agree with you. Where is the evidence that Hispanic voters are voting FOR Dems because of illegal immigration? Why does the Dem party have an illegal immigration position known and favorable to Hispanics? Put yourself in the position of a Hispanic voter. What would motivate your vote? Promoting the illegal immigration of people you don’t know? Making jobs harder to get and letting criminals into the country and into your neighborhood? Really? That’s not what I would think and not what I hear. Maybe those Hispanic voters are voting for something else—how about finding out before making policy changes that have extremely high risk for very costly, negative outcomes.
First, "the only part that is even partially true" undoes his thesis that the party need not change. K is wrong. The RNC isn't a rump party of white America. It is a rump party of rich white Americans, the country club set, and I am not even sure the white part of this is the important part. They are the rump party of the crony capitalist part of America, the other dependency class.
The election results showed that Krauthammer is a total joke. He apparently wants to keep proving that point.
How about the Repubs suggest giving a check to every voter who attends an entrepreneur’s celebration. They could call it a national holiday in honor of our great entrepreneurs and let everyone have a paid day off. It would educate people a bit and support our traditional American culture while giving out those freebies which so many Americans and people in general just adore.
This is just one example of the many things that can be done to gain votes while doing much less violence to American society. Why isn’t the student loan issue a priority? It seems to effect a lot of people who vote and don’t impose a net cost on society.
Such proposals are costly but much less risky and costly than amnesty, which would substantially reduce confidence in our system of laws and violate one of the primary Constitutional requirements of the federal government (common defense).
He is so wrong on immigration reform, we are being flooded by illegals because of the freebies. There may be other reasons, but Santa Sam is the main one!
Republicans need to quit pandering to hispanics, they’ll never move over to your side. They left a fascist governed country for a socialist one that gives them free stuff. Free stuff and amnesty trumps morals and patriotism with the mexicans.
OH SHUT THE &&& UP!!! How I wish our pundits could be voted out of office!
We had a Trick or Trunk function at our Catholic church. All the white Catholics showed up early and brought loads of candy. No Hispanics showed up early nor did they bring any candy. When the event started, hundreds of Hispanics showed up without anything but let their kids loose and they took all the candy. My family will not participate in that function anymore. Who are the slow learners?
I’ll tell you who
Karl Rove, Charles K, Dick Morris, Boehner, Mcconnell etc..
what will it take for them to learn? or are they just mentally challenged?
We don’t need to change anything at all. Just keep portraying the Democrats as the party that gives to the TAKERS because that is what their constituency is!
Republicans lost because their brand name deteriorated, sunk by two misdirected wars, an exported seed corn job base and a political preference to ignore the 47%. Hispanics don’t need the GOP to kiss their arse. When they get good paying jobs like other groups, they will vote Republican.
1)Photo voter ID,
2)Any precinct with greater than 100% voter turnout, the votes will NOT be accepted. Precincts with suspiciously lopsided majorities (like 90% or even 98% voting for one party ) trips automatic recount and full investigation by a bipartisan commission under BIPARTISAN judges. NO MORE Democrat judges covering for CROOK elections nonsense!
What else? Oh, how about campaign monies must by law have filters to prevent foreign and other illegal donations. Suspect monies, by law, to be frozen, preferably until post election.
After that, I can see recruiting Hispanics as a big priority. And we should GUILT minorities about their freebie habits. We do NOT owe illegals anything! We do NOT owe blacks handouts! Compromise is a losing strategy. That's why Winston Churchill and many other leaders advised never never compromise.
Charles Krauthammer is shallow.
shallow: lacking depth; superficial: a mind that is not narrow but shallow
Krauthammer, Krystal, Wallace, Bush, and on and on are not Conservatives in any sense of the word. Mostly these types are Leftist that prefer US intervention to bring about a One World Gov. This is the Republican Party and it is the place that Conservatism goes to die.
No dont ever change because if you do we might win an election and we dont want that
This post is written in anger and frustration.
Angry that we continue to follow the Republican Partys elite ignorance. A party that continues to pull defeat from the jaws of victory characterized by pompous fools who fulfill the sterotype built by the left.
Frustrated that the reality of politics is this: There will be no third party capable of competing with the coalition constructed by the dems. As a result, true conservatives MUST take steps to irradicate the ignorance of the Republican Party while still adhering to the core values of our forefathers (beliefs that I discovered are considered extreme by over half of my countrymen on Tuesday night, BTW).
I have no solve for exactly how to accomplish this. Only advice based on a long military career in several foreign lands for how to defeat the dems once this is accomplished.
This thought process is based on the concept of irregular warfare with twists thrown in here and there for good measure.
With that, I provide the following advice for the good of the order.
LEADERSHIP: The old crew has proven either incompotent or outdated. McConnell and Boerner must go. They represent a failed plan to defend and resist without clearly explaining their position. They are content with looking like the bad guys and face public scorn when they dont realize how important it is to manipulate a clearly left leaning MSM. They represent the failure of the last four years to our own and obstructionists to the opposition. Weve got to show a new face to the nation. That is the genesis of rebuilding this movement. Ryan or Cantor in the House, Rubio or Demint in the Senate.
We also need a standard bearer and I see no one on the horizon with as much rockstar potential and substance as Rubio. These next four years must put him on the center stage with a unified and consolidated message. It also needs to protect him from the attacks from the left that are guaranteed to come.
Everything the Obamites used to deny, deflect, and difuse will be used againstt hem....including the race card. THAT is what will make Rubio a teflon candidate.
These men represent a change in a party that has been beaten soundly in the last two elections by a charlatan and his traveling circus. A fresh choice in leadership represents change you can TRULY beleive in from every angle. It marks a clear start from inside and outside when we actually started taking this enemy seriously.
GROUND GAME: It is IMPERATIVE to develop and foster an intricate ground game. It requires a MICRO-ANALYSIS of every county, every city, and every early and absentee ballot by demographic to find how how, why, and with what method they voted. The dems have built quite the coalition but its a house of cards; its a fractured coalition of single issue voters held together by a media-invested hollyweird worshipping demagogue. They can be piecemealed away bitby bit without sacrficing principle.
Give it to the dems on their community organizing machine. We dont need to reinvent that model. We MUST develop our own. One that will INSTILL our principles in a language tailored to the audience. Theyve tailored theirs on the community organizer, we can create ours around the military special operator. This the winning of hearts and minds in our own third world backyard dem strongholds.
This isnt as difficult as it sounds. It requires a patient and immediate effort that starts with the post election analysis looking not for what we WANT to find, but for the GROUND TRUTH. GROUND TRUTH is REAL INTELLIGENCE not Rovian number-crunching wishful thinking.
It will require an insurgent effort at the ground level. An infiltration into dem areas that we identify are weak or vulnerable to start cutting in to the blue.
The COIN (insurgeny/counterinsurgency)effort would include the identification of these areas, the inflitration of the areas through churches and charitable organizations AND PARTICULARLY THROUGH EDUCATION.
There ARE like thinkers in these communities. How do we find them? Ask Jesse L. Peterson. Ask JC Watts and Herman Cain. They KNOW how to splinter these vulnerable areas off the blue.
The hispanic issue is RIPE for moving into the red. Catholic, family oriented cultures who beleive in being left alone and naturally distrust the government. And they voted Obama? This is the epitome of the single issue voter. the RNC needs to go toe to toe, issue to issue with the Race and counter it in that community, in that language, at THAT LEVEL.
Think it cant be done? SOF has been doing it since the end of World War II. It CAN be done.
WE must get deep into the education system to promote the ideals and values of conservatism that should be selling themselves. Im not talking about traditional public schools and universities. They are ROTTED with liberals. They also arentthe keys to education in the 21st century.
Im talking about the new way to educate - the online universities, the trade schools and nightschools. Corporate allies need to invest and educate with the ideals of economic and fiscal conservatism.
The RNC needs to lead and develop this effort. A novice like me can see that there is a disconnect between the voting habits of catholic-dominated hispanics and pockets of baptist blacks and their actual stated values. That disconnect can be exploited if it is done slowly, deliberately, and effectively.
INFORMATION WARFARE: We are ATROCIOUS AT THIS. Dems get a simple message out early and often. They poison the well and we are left to change minds rather than get the initial impression right from jump. We constantly play defense and think we are sooooo clever when dems (as they ALWAYS do) do something stupid or illegal and shocked when the media all but ignores it. We must take the offensive in getting up in every Candy Crowley, every George Stepenopolis face and call them what they are: democratic hacks posing as the objective media
We ABSOLUTELY MUST be proactive. We must attack at EVERY OPPORTUNITY then add each fail of the dems to a trend and theme. These themes must be simple, tailored, and repetitively broadcast to each target demographic.
We must look out beyond the 5 and 10 meter targets. Weve got to effectively interpret what the dem message is on the horizon and confront it at all levels - from the national MSM level filtering directly down to the target group level. Even I can see what the talking points of the upcoming week are by watching the Sunday talking head programs. Defense is unacceptable. we cant pretent that the most outrageous comment wont gain traction then act surprised when weeks later, that theme picks up steam. Attack, attack, attack.
Alinsky tactics must be turned against their masters. There is GREAT power in ridicule and scorn. They make it too easy to use. It needs to be culturally tailored and consistent. Dennis Miller needs his own show on FNC AND a late night show on Fox. Let him source and promote culturally diverse conserative comedians that vulnerable areas can relate to and remember. Bold Fresh tours arent enough.
This is only part of an overall information operation plan that is constant in a simple party message and what it means to each target group.
WE DONT DO THAT WELL. WHY NOT? I find it unbelievable that Obama has hijacked the reputation and imagery of the Party of Lincoln.
COIN operations involve a very in depth understanding of cultural idocyncracies and how best to exploit them to our advantage. Its not a wool-over-the-eyes approach or a free shit approach like the dems sell. THAT ALWAYS COMES UP SHORT.
Its a sell based on how it effects each target group and what it means to them. If its done right, I am CONFIDENT that the tenets of conservatism sell themselves.
In Civil Miltary Operations, assistance in areas that seem unrelated builds trust in the agency. Granted, theres a fine line between assistance and the giving of free shit but, the special operations forces walk that line well. It can be done. Community outreach in areas that we identify, in ways that we havent before can build a larger tent without sacrificing our beliefs.
The military has been doing this in third world countries for years. Weve been more successful in some areas, less successful in others. In the United States third world strongholds of the Democratic Party,I am confident that it can be done.
Heres the kicker: There are countless retired special operations planners and operators working overseas as contractors RIGHT NOW. Its too easy; the RNC needs to hire them as contractors over here.
This is, by far, not the only avenue weve got to pursue in order to turn the tide.
But, if we are going to war, the RNC must look to the military to rediscover and reorganize. The number-crunching beancounters have their place in the organization but, on their best days, they can only identify who will and wont vote Republican.
This is a Hearts and Minds effort.
It requires a new way to think about the political battlefield.
Rangers Lead the Way.
Whats the sense in winning an election if everything you stand for is given away to win it?
I don’t care about winning, I care about Conservative values.
If we compromise that we may as well lose