Skip to comments.Will Republicans Ever Win Again? Yes, but with new tools.
Posted on 11/12/2012 5:14:01 AM PST by CincyRichieRich
Have you ever been a fly on the wall? How about right out in the open, undercover?
Well I have and the RNC should pay me for it on retainer.
New tools, new tactics, and firing Rove and the pantywaist consultants is the only way to win again.
Yesterday - and quite often I'll add - my wife and I are the only conservative ones in large settings with staunchly democrat blacks - you know the type, 0bama is king, is perfect, and only bigots would not vote for him. But to sit there, watch how smart phones get passed around the room with "poke fun at Romney the hateful rich guy" after the election is tough to take. Listening to how shocking Patraeus is and Patraeus was gonna hurt 0bama and his only purpose in being there was to run against him? Yeah, when, 2016 after two terms??? These are the unbelievable comments I hear 1st hand. Sure I held my own, but with relatives and irrationality, you can only do so much.
This info is priceless and how I state things, use Socratic Method and other "tactics" to see what sticks and what doesn't is the stuff that the RNC needs to hire the right people, to re-educate the masses, etc.
Yes, I know some of you will say, 'can't change blacks', and you will say it's hopeless, but I say take 5% back and we win.
Well somehow get rid of the RNC consultants who are so far from reality in the things I can observe they'll never hit the side of a barn with a gallon of red paint launched from 10' away.
Libs and Blacks in this country have totally abandoned the constitution...it is racist and does not exist...that's why shows like Levin, Rush, Savage are beneficial, whereas, Hannity is useless. Rah ra ra pushes blacks away. How many blacks know a black man founded the NRA?
We need a bevvy of consultants like me...remessaging and re-education would be the goal. Combining new language like the 20 words Luntz proposed and explaining what they mean.
Combine this with hammering the 0bama king on his coverups, lies, and such will work.
Most of the folks I am talking about, white libs and black dems don't even know the difference between a private sector and public sector employee...so ditch these words and use something else!
US schools have reprogrammed out citizenry and illegals view USDA foodstamp commercials in Mexico...so that is where we are and re-education from ground up is the only way OR, we just simply say, Dems win and the commies own the country forever.
I'll work cheaply as a consultant and even do it via Logmein or other if they'll have me.
Not so long as Reince Priebus, Karl Rove, et al, are in business. Not while there are open primaries either.
Forget the NRA. Why is it that 85% of the population believes it was Democrats who ushered in the Civil Rights Act? Biggest derilection of duty by elected Republicans that I can think of. They have sat back and let that narrative play out ad nauseum for decades. No ONE is able or willing to set the record straight. No one.
The GOP indeed needs to fire all their irrelevant and useless strategists. They need to have pockets of organizations embedded in every single urban area from coast to coast. This is where Obama won. Just look at the red/blue map. Our work is truly uphill, but when the truth is on your side, you can accomplish a miracle.
First, let’s not forget the suberb results for the House of Reprsentatives. Obviously the GOP can win. We retained neary the highwater mark of GOP members in the House. We are, however, failing to regain the Senate, which we should have won, and the Presidential campaign failed. First, Romney was too much of a liberal to get the base enthusiastic. Paul Ryan as the VP helped there, but then Ryan was forced to be a namby pamby, from what I can tell, and not be himself.
Romney sat by idly in the spring while a grotesque image was created of him by the Obama campaign. I think that demonization stuck with some conservative middle class and lower middle class Christian white voters, who stayed home. And, then, don’t forget — the Democrats cheated. We have to stop voting fraud and we can’t be sissies about it.
This post is written in anger and frustration.
Angry that we continue to follow the Republican Partys elite ignorance. A party that continues to pull defeat from the jaws of victory characterized by pompous fools who fulfill the sterotype built by the left.
Frustrated that the reality of politics is this: There will be no third party capable of competing with the coalition constructed by the dems. As a result, true conservatives MUST take steps to irradicate the ignorance of the Republican Party while still adhering to the core values of our forefathers (beliefs that I discovered are considered extreme by over half of my countrymen on Tuesday night, BTW).
I have no solve for exactly how to accomplish this. Only advice based on a long military career in several foreign lands for how to defeat the dems once this is accomplished.
This thought process is based on the concept of irregular warfare with twists thrown in here and there for good measure.
With that, I provide the following advice for the good of the order.
LEADERSHIP: The old crew has proven either incompotent or outdated. McConnell and Boerner must go. They represent a failed plan to defend and resist without clearly explaining their position. They are content with looking like the bad guys and face public scorn when they dont realize how important it is to manipulate a clearly left leaning MSM. They represent the failure of the last four years to our own and obstructionists to the opposition. Weve got to show a new face to the nation. That is the genesis of rebuilding this movement. Ryan or Cantor in the House, Rubio or Demint in the Senate.
We also need a standard bearer and I see no one on the horizon with as much rockstar potential and substance as Rubio. These next four years must put him on the center stage with a unified and consolidated message. It also needs to protect him from the attacks from the left that are guaranteed to come.
Everything the Obamites used to deny, deflect, and difuse will be used againstt hem....including the race card. THAT is what will make Rubio a teflon candidate.
These men represent a change in a party that has been beaten soundly in the last two elections by a charlatan and his traveling circus. A fresh choice in leadership represents change you can TRULY beleive in from every angle. It marks a clear start from inside and outside when we actually started taking this enemy seriously.
GROUND GAME: It is IMPERATIVE to develop and foster an intricate ground game. It requires a MICRO-ANALYSIS of every county, every city, and every early and absentee ballot by demographic to find how how, why, and with what method they voted. The dems have built quite the coalition but its a house of cards; its a fractured coalition of single issue voters held together by a media-invested hollyweird worshipping demagogue. They can be piecemealed away bitby bit without sacrficing principle.
Give it to the dems on their community organizing machine. We dont need to reinvent that model. We MUST develop our own. One that will INSTILL our principles in a language tailored to the audience. Theyve tailored theirs on the community organizer, we can create ours around the military special operator. This the winning of hearts and minds in our own third world backyard dem strongholds.
This isnt as difficult as it sounds. It requires a patient and immediate effort that starts with the post election analysis looking not for what we WANT to find, but for the GROUND TRUTH. GROUND TRUTH is REAL INTELLIGENCE not Rovian number-crunching wishful thinking.
It will require an insurgent effort at the ground level. An infiltration into dem areas that we identify are weak or vulnerable to start cutting in to the blue.
The COIN (insurgeny/counterinsurgency)effort would include the identification of these areas, the inflitration of the areas through churches and charitable organizations AND PARTICULARLY THROUGH EDUCATION.
There ARE like thinkers in these communities. How do we find them? Ask Jesse L. Peterson. Ask JC Watts and Herman Cain. They KNOW how to splinter these vulnerable areas off the blue.
The hispanic issue is RIPE for moving into the red. Catholic, family oriented cultures who beleive in being left alone and naturally distrust the government. And they voted Obama? This is the epitome of the single issue voter. the RNC needs to go toe to toe, issue to issue with the Race and counter it in that community, in that language, at THAT LEVEL.
Think it cant be done? SOF has been doing it since the end of World War II. It CAN be done.
WE must get deep into the education system to promote the ideals and values of conservatism that should be selling themselves. Im not talking about traditional public schools and universities. They are ROTTED with liberals. They also arentthe keys to education in the 21st century.
Im talking about the new way to educate - the online universities, the trade schools and nightschools. Corporate allies need to invest and educate with the ideals of economic and fiscal conservatism.
The RNC needs to lead and develop this effort. A novice like me can see that there is a disconnect between the voting habits of catholic-dominated hispanics and pockets of baptist blacks and their actual stated values. That disconnect can be exploited if it is done slowly, deliberately, and effectively.
INFORMATION WARFARE: We are ATROCIOUS AT THIS. Dems get a simple message out early and often. They poison the well and we are left to change minds rather than get the initial impression right from jump. We constantly play defense and think we are sooooo clever when dems (as they ALWAYS do) do something stupid or illegal and shocked when the media all but ignores it. We must take the offensive in getting up in every Candy Crowley, every George Stepenopolis face and call them what they are: democratic hacks posing as the objective media
We ABSOLUTELY MUST be proactive. We must attack at EVERY OPPORTUNITY then add each fail of the dems to a trend and theme. These themes must be simple, tailored, and repetitively broadcast to each target demographic.
We must look out beyond the 5 and 10 meter targets. Weve got to effectively interpret what the dem message is on the horizon and confront it at all levels - from the national MSM level filtering directly down to the target group level. Even I can see what the talking points of the upcoming week are by watching the Sunday talking head programs. Defense is unacceptable. we cant pretent that the most outrageous comment wont gain traction then act surprised when weeks later, that theme picks up steam. Attack, attack, attack.
Alinsky tactics must be turned against their masters. There is GREAT power in ridicule and scorn. They make it too easy to use. It needs to be culturally tailored and consistent. Dennis Miller needs his own show on FNC AND a late night show on Fox. Let him source and promote culturally diverse conserative comedians that vulnerable areas can relate to and remember. Bold Fresh tours arent enough.
This is only part of an overall information operation plan that is constant in a simple party message and what it means to each target group.
WE DONT DO THAT WELL. WHY NOT? I find it unbelievable that Obama has hijacked the reputation and imagery of the Party of Lincoln.
COIN operations involve a very in depth understanding of cultural idocyncracies and how best to exploit them to our advantage. Its not a wool-over-the-eyes approach or a free shit approach like the dems sell. THAT ALWAYS COMES UP SHORT.
Its a sell based on how it effects each target group and what it means to them. If its done right, I am CONFIDENT that the tenets of conservatism sell themselves.
In Civil Miltary Operations, assistance in areas that seem unrelated builds trust in the agency. Granted, theres a fine line between assistance and the giving of free shit but, the special operations forces walk that line well. It can be done. Community outreach in areas that we identify, in ways that we havent before can build a larger tent without sacrificing our beliefs.
The military has been doing this in third world countries for years. Weve been more successful in some areas, less successful in others. In the United States third world strongholds of the Democratic Party,I am confident that it can be done.
Heres the kicker: There are countless retired special operations planners and operators working overseas as contractors RIGHT NOW. Its too easy; the RNC needs to hire them as contractors over here.
This is, by far, not the only avenue weve got to pursue in order to turn the tide.
But, if we are going to war, the RNC must look to the military to rediscover and reorganize. The number-crunching beancounters have their place in the organization but, on their best days, they can only identify who will and wont vote Republican.
This is a Hearts and Minds effort.
It requires a new way to think about the political battlefield.
Rangers Lead the Way.
Assumption: We want to win the ones that can/did support Obama? Fundamentally, emphatically, no. I don’t want to be on their team. I don’t want them on mine.
I been tough on Hannity over the years but thought his comments the day after were thoughtful.
Alternatively Rush calling every race to be a big winner for the Republicans 2008 and 2012, even some 2006 to a lesser extent, is not helping. You cant get from here to there with your eyes closed.
Many other groups besides blacks voted for Obama so that tells me Republicans have a big problem. Those know-nothings under 30 were targeted by O going on all the entertainment shows, for example.
“Romney sat by idly in the spring while a grotesque image was created of him by the Obama campaign. I think that demonization stuck with some conservative middle class and lower middle class Christian white voters, who stayed home.”
The Masters of the Lie ensured that people only saw one side of Romney (until he was able to make an impression in the debates - the filter was removed). The propaganda of the left, if it isn’t countered, will ensure Dem victories for eternity.
I don’t feel as though we lost an election; I feel that there wasn’t an election at all.
Great post; good thoughts and I concur...and, would include myself in the mix of consultants.
I agree with you about Rove and company. I agree we need to know how to reach people as you said. And Levin, Rush are right. I heard a Rush caller last week saying she had offered her marketing services for free to Republicans to reach Hispanics because that is her business. They turned her down. Rush said free always alarms him. But we need smart people on our side and thank God you are out there to contact. There are transcendent ideas that appeal to all people and they need to be expressed in ways that various groups can relate. Prayers for success in your efforts.
REPUBLICANS WILL WIN AGAIN WHEN THEY START BELIEVING IN AND PRACTICING REPUBLICANISM AND STOP TRYING TO BECOME DIMS FROM 40 YEARS AGO.
Republicans have to sew up tens of millions of votes weeks before the election with early voting the way Dems do. In the same manner Dems use welfare rolls for this, the Repubs could target their base (veterans groups, conservative religious groups, chambers of commerce, trade organizations, etc.).
Who does Rove work for? We should tell him to take the millions of dollars he raised and give it to some other political party?
I see your accidental point, but didn't you mean "forget the GOP"?
The GOP is dead. If not, then kill it.
Its time for a Patriot Party that will follow and defend the Constitution.
We have the House because of gerrymandering.
Did you ever consider that the Republican PARTY wants to be a permanent minority party?
The GOP already has a plan to get more votes-AMNESTY
Watch democrats react to this plan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnXz_qZ5RE
They haven't abandoned it they never accepted it to begin with. That's white man's law.
People on the right are delusional about the real views of minorities.
They fall all over themselves for the Alan West(s) and Thomas Sowell(s) and think they are representative of the minority communities at large. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The Alan West(s), Thomas Sowell(s) and other black conservatives are a minority of a minority of a minority. Truly unique. The best and brightest.
It makes the right feel good about themselves and put blinders on to very real realities. This causes massive misjudgements.
Look how so many on the right slobbered all over Colin Bowell.
Then spread the word, Rich. We need to get this to the next level.
How come they don't know that it was Democrats that killed the CRA so that Eisenhower wouldn't get credit for it?
How come they don't know that the KKK was established to be the terrorist wing of the Democrat party?
How come they don't know that the military was integrated in the Civil War and was resegregated under Woody Wilson — A Democrat?
How come they don't know that a black man was killed at the Boston Massacre or that there were many black Patriots that fought with the Colonial Army?
The Democrats win because of the elite liberal (commie) professors who educated the teachers and journalists of today. They win because the black church teaches obediance to the pastor (Rev Jackson, Rev Sharpton).
We are now a fully pacified Soviet State.
If we start to notice and resist we will be sent to the gulags.
I honestly believe this was a voter fraud issue. As voter fraud becomes more rampant, it will become more expensive and attract organized groups that will be a problem for the Democrats.
Imagine a scenario where several precinct captains threaten to spill the beans unless they get more money. The party would be open to blackmail.
The “win by any means” approach is one that cannot be sustained.
If anybody’s asking me, I don't believe Obama won the TRUE vote. That's not to say there isn't validity in your suggestions and those others asking us to get more minority support, and work on getting the message to the voters. That needs to happen, too.
Good rant. Thanks for being here.
If a guy with the baggage that Obama carries can’t get beat... well, you know the rest...
Did you ever consider that the Republican PARTY wants to be a permanent minority party?
Did you ever consider that the Republican PARTY wants to be a permanent minority party?
Boycott drones and Leftists. Unless you are in a business and making money off drones and Leftists, have nothing to do with them. The country has never been more divided, and I will be happy to further this effort. Remember these people, and their 0bama signs, when the SHTF. Meanwhile, we nneed to educate the indepoendents and moderates that will still listen to our message.
The GOP has embraced selling out America.
That has to stop.
I do not mean competition. I mean selling out America.
We have got to re-introduce some manner of competition to our markets. What we have now is China.
That has to stop now.
The Dems gerrymandered in California where we lost seats. Historically the Dems have gerrymandered and gained majorities that way and not in a fair election.
Only if the freeloaders are purged and the uninformed get informed.
Rove is a disaster.
We need real people, helping real Americans with real problems.
Instead we got the inside-the-beltway scammers led by the rejects of the last administration.
And we continue to sell our factories to China.
For crying out loud. Bring back American jobs. Look in the store next time you go out.
EVERYTHING is made in China.
You are absolutely correct. Some of us have been doing this for decades, with no pay. That's pretty cheap.
Much of what you and the other posters here makes sense.
BUT the most important thing is that UNLESS THE GOP RECOGNIZES its REAL problems and that a good part of those problems are DEFECTIVE leadership - in the party (Reince Priebus, the Bushes, the Dana Perinos, the Carl Roves,the McCains, the Lindsey Grahams, the Tom Keane Seniors and the Christies) and in office - JOHN BOEHNER and Mitch McConnell, NOTHING will change.
The GOP CAN and SHOULD reach out to Black Voters and we CAN get some of them on our side.
We can and should reach out to Hispanic-Americans and Asian Americans.
And we CAN do that without compromising our core principles of a smaller, less intrusive government based on the Consitution.
ONE of the MANY reasons Romney lost was his “dissing” the Hispanic Community by ignoring the guy MOST Conservatives wanted as his running mate - Marco Rubio.
Somebody here mentioned Rubio as a candidate in 2016. An EXCELLANT idea. BUT, right now, the LEFTIST media is digging, digging, into Rubio’s past. They are looking for ANYTHING that can be used to twist him into something he is not. And so, the GOP should be working to BUILD up his image to the point where attacks on him in 4 years will be USELESS.
But such advance thinking by the Planarian-brained idiots who currently run the GOP is biologically IMPOSSIBLE. THOSE people need to GO - NOW!!!!
BY THE WAY, although Romney lost, he didn’t do ALL that bad considering all his problems and screw ups. He got MORE electoral votes than McCain did in 2008 and a far higher percentage of the popular votes. Trying to unseat an incbent President is VERy difficult and the ONLY time the GOP did this in the last 100 years was in the Reagan-Carter race. And Romney was NOT Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama - an astute political creature with the full weight of the mainstream meida and Hollywood elites behind him, was NOT Jimmy Carter.
Prove MOST conservatives wanted Rubio. No YOU wanted Rubio.
"was his dissing the Hispanic Community"
God forbid we should worrying about "dissing" the Hispanic Community. Oh the horror.
Race baiting and identity politics.
No one is delusional. People like those you mentioned, and thousands of others are examples of why you should judge a man on the quality of his character rather than the color of his skin. That is a conservative position, straight out of our founding document: “All men are created equal.”
The GOP will not get a majority of minority voters in the near future. They don’t need to. However, they do need to get a larger percentage of that vote. That is not going to happen while pubbies are perceived as racists. A common perception among minorities (even those who would be philosophically predisposed to vote R) is that republicans are uncaring about the poor, only interested in helping the rich, and haters of all people of color. That has to change if the GOP is going to make inroads.
Well, who the hell did you want? Rubio was # 1 in most lists of preferred candidates for VP. I saw the articles posted here in this forum.
By the way, there was an article posted here that that genius Romney was considering Christie as his first choice.
“God forbid we should worrying about “dissing” the Hispanic Community. Oh the horror.
Race baiting and identity politics.”
I’m not ignorant enough to believe that political realities can be ignored. Rubio would have given him Florida and probably enough Hispanic votes to win the election. Ryan couldn’t even deliver Wisconsin which really wasn’t HIS fault - it just couldn’t be done with Romney.
And I think its more important to win in 2016 than to make statements about “idenity” politics. The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, our position in international politics and the collapsing economy are all more important issues than offending the sensitivities of some people concerned about “identity” politics.
Rubio or another equally well-qualified Hispanic had damn well better be on the ticket in 2016 if we hope to win.
Are you kidding?
The GOP is the STUPIDEST ****ING PARTY OF ALL TIME IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF POLITICS!
I od not even know how they call themselves professional politicians.
We gave them the house and they did NOTHING! What do you think they will do with the house this time?
Not in my lifetime and I’m 67. The conservative movement will never take back leadership in this Nation until it can overcome American Guilt. The dimocratics have broke the code on it too. Guilty about what ancestors did to the blacks. Guilty stealing land from Indians, Mexicans, etc. Guilty for earning things that could have gone to the poor. 8 of 10 wealthiest counties went to dims? Why? Guilt for what they had. MSM is a terrific enabler of this concept too. Always bringing more stories to the front. Hollywood? Isn’t it strange that “Lincoln” movie hits right at this time? Helps to make South recall the errors of their ancestors and force guilt for trying to leave the Union.
Nice. You falsely set the premise of what YOU believe to be the political realities and then extrapolate out to confirm your bias. Hey, you can't lose that way.
I noticed you never mention the millions of white voters who sat out. Why?
"Rubio or another equally well-qualified Hispanic had damn well better be on the ticket in 2016 if we hope to win."
Because the right just loves identity politics. NOT. You can ensure that even more whites stay home. But they don't count, do they?
If they wanted identity politics they'd be Democrats.
Some of my friends are telling me what the solution is; we just need to listen to people like them. It’s not cool to be a white man, especially an older white man, so we need to stop nominating them, and start pushing Hispanic/black candidates. We have no choice but to play this game.
/HUGE sarc tag
You need to court the disengaged by doing all of the late night show, dancing with Ellen, going on MTV, ESPN etc. Go on BET, make appearance on Today, GMA etc. Do sit-com cameos. You need the substance and the power of celebrity. Bush got kissed by Oprah. That was huge in terms of making the soccer moms comfortable.
Maybe if we ran a vegetarian homosexual couple for President in 2016?
Yes, but in all the states where Republicans control the redistricting process (i.e. most states) Republicans do the same thing.
For instance, in NC even though more voters voted for Democrat rep candidates, our new Congressional delegation is something like 8-R and 4-D or so.
I am sorry, but gerrymandering is why we control the House. Unfortunately it’s not because the electorate is somehow still innately conservative.
We can run anybody we want. It has less to do with ideology or racial identity politics and more to do with name recognition, personality identification and becoming a cult of personality. Reagan had substance, but he was also a huge personality. Clinton was skilled at this - going on MTV, saxaphoning for Arsenio etc. all in order to reach out to new voters and create that cult of personality.
Got anyone in mind?
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