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GOP opens door to immigration reform after election loss (Just throw in some more "freebies")
fox news ^ | 11/9/2012 | staff

Posted on 11/12/2012 3:34:59 AM PST by tobyhill

Republicans are warming to the idea of reforming the "broken" U.S. immigration system in the wake of their defeat in this week's presidential election by Democratic incumbent Barack Obama, who was the choice of 70 percent of Hispanic voters.

Among those raising the issue after Tuesday's loss at the polls is the GOP's highest-ranking elected official, House Speaker John Boehner, who speaks of the need for a plan to deal with the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants now in the country. "What I'm talking about is a common-sense, step-by-step approach to secure our borders, allow us to enforce the laws and fix a broken immigration system," he said Friday at a press conference.

"It's just time to get the job done," Boehner said, though declining to offer any specific ideas.

Expressing Republicans' willingness to work with Democrats, the speaker stressed that "on an issue this big, the president has to lead."

(Excerpt) Read more at latino.foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens

1 posted on 11/12/2012 3:35:05 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

What about a “Romneyphone” for minorities?


2 posted on 11/12/2012 3:38:50 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: tobyhill

this is about cheap labor for the GOP first and votes for the GOP second.


3 posted on 11/12/2012 3:39:32 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: tobyhill

Now they are working in concert to finish the job.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 3:40:31 AM PST by ronnie raygun (BB)
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To: RC one

The GOP will never win their vote.


5 posted on 11/12/2012 3:45:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: tobyhill

i LOVE Rush’s solution to this....OFFER them ALL Amnesty, BUT they can’t VOTE for 25 years!!! See who says “NO WAY”!!!


6 posted on 11/12/2012 3:46:21 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: tobyhill

I think it is a smart move to allow Hispanics to push out Blacks. Hispanics are, after all, the number one minority in the country. Blacks have been acting for years as if they are half the population and that simply isn’t true. Time for Hispanics to take the place Blacks have occupied since the sixties.


7 posted on 11/12/2012 3:47:37 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Ann Archy

It will be overturned in under 5 years by the supreme court.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 3:48:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: tobyhill

So stupid.


9 posted on 11/12/2012 3:48:52 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: cripplecreek

“The GOP will never win their vote.”

They should be able to win many of them; in my area many foreigners are opening businesses. The legal aliens are often the entrepreneurial classes from their country of origin, and are often taxpayers.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 4:00:54 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: nolongerademocrat
Obama's nothing more than a surly malcontent, feeding off losers' real and imagined grievances---as in that vid where educated O asks in street parlance "where's yo' dollah?"

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Blacks act as if they are half the population....true. Time for Hispanics to take the place Blacks have occupied since the sixties.

Apparently you have not read about Rev JJ'$$$ new plan$$S for "di$enfranchi$ed" Black people (/snix).

Rev Jackson: Black Voters Deserve A Return On Election ‘Investment’
WBBM-AM / FR Posted by 2ndDivisionVet

EXCERPT The Rev. Jesse Jackson on Saturday said that President Obama’s reelection was “a great victory,” but that it would be incomplete with a reconstruction of urban America and an investment in the communities where the blacks who voted overwhelmingly for the president live. “We’re happy and full of pride,” in the president’s reelection, Jackson told the crowd at the Saturday morning forum at Rainbow/PUSH headquarters, 930 E. 50th St., “but our houses remain raggedy … our schools remain closed.” Despite attempts at voter suppression in states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida, Jackson said, blacks turned out en masse to vote, enduring waits that stretched into hours in many places. “We waited, we voted, we believed,” Jackson said. “Now we want to get well. “We voted early, we voted long. Our votes won,” he said. --SNIP--

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I guess Rev JJ thinks O is off to a good start (/snix):

O's billion dollar stimulus was strictly for the 47%'s entitlements and public sector budgets......BUT ONLY in states that were re/electing democrats. The money is gone but public sector got 2 years worth of budget goodies out of it........as O schemes to have the rest of us pay and pay and pay.

And howz'about O's other billion dollar fraud (one that we know of)---"minority" farmers getting federal payouts without having to prove they even raised a radish?

11 posted on 11/12/2012 4:10:13 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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To: tobyhill

Amnesty was in the bag already, presumably as payoff to campaign donors.

In his second debate with Obama, Romney almost couldn’t stop himself from trying to make another $10K bet—this one guaranteeing that he would get ‘comprehensive immigration reform’ passed within the year.

He knew it was a done deal already.


12 posted on 11/12/2012 4:12:36 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: All

HYPHENATE PRICE TAG-—the price we are paying so that vote-crazed Obama and other desperate pols can get re/elected.

NOTE Oftentimes the conniving pols bury these programs within other programs making them difficult to find. Americans have been hammered with govt propaganda that it was the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting the US. Here’s the real reasons:

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

2. $22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary & secondary education for children here illegally and [usually] cannot speak a word of English. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt....0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies (or as Terry Anderson says “JACKPOT” babies!)Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN..com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt...01.HTML

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & socialservices by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn..com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01..HTML

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI

13. In 2006, illegals sent $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

Verify at: http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States. Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY. Are we THAT Stupid?WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

PLUS!

1. The Earned Income Credit...money people get back on their taxes that they NEVER paid into in the first place! Illegal aliens, most of which pay zero in net taxes, enjoyed $4.2 billion from the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) last year. That’s more than the annual revenue from the selected oil tax deductions and corporate jet deductions combined!Verify: http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/09/02/illegal-aliens-receive-4-2-billion-in-additional-child-tax-credits/

2. The cost of prosecuting and making SURE the “rights” of illegals are protected by US laws madefor US citizens. In 2009, the U.S. Justice Dept filed nearly 92,000 pro-immigrant-related criminal cases in the federal courts. The record-breaker accounted for more than half of all new federal prosecutions, according to data maintained at Syracuse University. Verify at:

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=federal+court+cases


13 posted on 11/12/2012 4:13:27 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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To: RC one

True;however, when that cheap labor votes in politicians who pass legislation making onerous regulations that are so aggegious it offsetss any financial gains of the cheap labor, which is precisely what is happening in California and now maybe the rest of the country, it’s a mute point. GOP-e has committed suicide with the open border policy in more ways than one and it has finally destroyed the nation.


14 posted on 11/12/2012 4:14:55 AM PST by MachIV
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To: iacovatx; Impy

Here is where the line must be drawn. This would be the party deal breaker because the ‘r’ would become useless. I and others would be permanently finished with the ‘g’ OP politics, period, if they help reward illegal immigrants with voting priviledges [and I do mean ‘priviledge’].

Might as well start a new constitutionalist party from scratch if that happens.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 4:16:14 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: cripplecreek

“The GOP will never win their vote.”

Right. Our neighbors in Central and South America are raised to hate everything a pre-Obama America stands for. They hate our military, they hate the rich, they hate the concepts of freedom, and they are cynical enough to think that every party is as corrupt as the DNC — ‘everybody does it’.


16 posted on 11/12/2012 4:19:15 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: nolongerademocrat

You’ve got to be crazy. Make citizens of the Hispanic illegals here and we’ll have nothing but race-based socialism ever after.


17 posted on 11/12/2012 4:23:07 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: nolongerademocrat
Yeah, and you ought to hear what blacks say about hispanics. Talk about racists.
18 posted on 11/12/2012 4:23:13 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: tobyhill

We told you what the common sense approach was 5 years ago.

Build the fence first.

You failed to do that—now go pound sand.

We cannot afford 30 million illegals, with between 71 and 79% of them receiving a handout from the rest of us, plus sending back $ 25 billion a year to Mexico and other places.

So tell me again, Mr. Weeper, why should we Hispander to those who won’t vote for us anyway?

What a eunuch.


19 posted on 11/12/2012 4:23:17 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82
Assuming there are 30 million illegals in America, that's enough to create some 50 congressional districts and they don't even need to vote to do it. If they do vote, you can pretty much count on those districts being almost exclusively democrat. As it is we don't know how many districts exist almost wholly due to the presence of illegals.

The costs of administering a single district must run into the millions. How much pork can a district seek? How many earmarks? What will all those new democrat congressmen vote for?

If you think Obamacare is bad, you haven't seen squat. Wait till the day all those democrats start dictating how many cars a family can have, what job you can have, or where you can live. Wait till they dictate that all paychecks come from government and you get a small cut of what is left over.

Illegals are nothing but government growth hormone and amnesty today is nothing short of treason.
20 posted on 11/12/2012 4:26:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: tobyhill

I sure as heck wouldn’t worry about appeasing them. They’ll be heading back to where they came from when the jobs market tanks even worse.


21 posted on 11/12/2012 4:26:34 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: tobyhill

they dont care about the country..its all about cash..lets make a deal??? they never cut pet projects..


22 posted on 11/12/2012 4:29:10 AM PST by dalebert
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To: Liz

This will fail. If we allow Hispanics to move to the forefront of minority discussions, we will find that they are willing to work hard for what they get and that they are socially much more conservative than Blacks.


23 posted on 11/12/2012 4:39:45 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: 9YearLurker

Race-based conflict between Blacks and Hispanics. Whites can sit on the sideline and watch.


24 posted on 11/12/2012 4:40:39 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: MagnoliaB

What Blacks say about Hispanics is no less harsh than what Hispanics say about Blacks. The difference is that Hispanics do not suffer from “White Guilt” over slavery. Something to think about...


25 posted on 11/12/2012 4:41:55 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: tobyhill

The Hispanics throw the meat to us by voting f70% for Obama, so AFTER they do that Boehner wants to suck up to them.

Is Boehner really stupid enough to believe we will win the Hispanic vote by doing this? Balcks vote 08% with Obama again this year and Boehner thinks Republicans can get their vots by kissing their butts?

This man is too stupid to be Speaker. What he needs to do is change his political party to Democrat and leave real Republicans to worry about getting Republicans elected.

Mitt Romne was exactly right whe he said we could not win the 47%.Yet Boehner thinks he can get them by buying their allegiance, what an idiot.


26 posted on 11/12/2012 4:42:52 AM PST by Venturer
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To: tobyhill
-- Expressing Republicans' willingness to work with Democrats, the speaker stressed that "on an issue this big, the president has to lead." --

That responsibility shifting trick seems to work quite well. Boehner, leading clerk of the House.

27 posted on 11/12/2012 4:45:28 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: cunning_fish

No no no amnesty! Hispanics are for what can they get for free and for unions.


28 posted on 11/12/2012 4:46:11 AM PST by NJBushcountry
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To: cripplecreek
Assuming there are 30 million illegals in America, that's enough to create some 50 congressional districts and they don't even need to vote to do it. If they do vote, you can pretty much count on those districts being almost exclusively democrat. As it is we don't know how many districts exist almost wholly due to the presence of illegals.

The costs of administering a single district must run into the millions. How much pork can a district seek? How many earmarks? What will all those new democrat congressmen vote for? If you think Obamacare is bad, you haven't seen squat. Wait till the day all those democrats start dictating how many cars a family can have, what job you can have, or where you can live. Wait till they dictate that all paychecks come from government and you get a small cut of what is left over.

Illegals are nothing but government growth hormone and amnesty today is nothing short of treason.

CC--excellent post, and worth repeating in its entirety. Thanks.

29 posted on 11/12/2012 4:46:56 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Venturer

Immigration/amnesty is not the problem with the Hispanic vote. They vote for the FREE GOODIES.
Rush had a brilliant idea Friday. Amnesty for all illegals now in the US. However, they can’t vote for 25 years.
How anxious do you think the Dems would be to vote for that?


30 posted on 11/12/2012 4:49:09 AM PST by Bill S
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To: nolongerademocrat

Doesn’t matter, they’d both vote socialist—and the country would lose.


31 posted on 11/12/2012 4:57:02 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: tobyhill

So I guess the way to grow more republicans is by importing more democrats?

See tagline.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 4:58:30 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop - dead party walking)
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To: nolongerademocrat
they are socially much more conservative than Blacks.

So why has the out-of-wedlock birth rate among Hispanics now gone beyone 50% and still rising? That doesn't sound like the behavior of socially conservative members of the Catholic church.

33 posted on 11/12/2012 5:02:05 AM PST by Will88
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To: Liz
Hey, Liz! How've you been? Remember the days on FR where posts like this and Do not cave-in to the so-called "dream act" (Jim Robinson's own post) would get people banned?

Remember how posters like you, me, TenneseeNana, etc. would get excoriated for posting this stuff? That was all under George Bush.

Remember how I used to post this about Bush wanting to create "a new America" and people would freak out and say I was a racist nut job?

That "new America" thing sounds a lot like "transform America" now doesn't it?

For old time's sake here it is one more time:

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster


We tried to warn our fellow conservatives about pandering to hispanics and where did it get us? To a "new, transformed" America. God help us all.
34 posted on 11/12/2012 5:15:14 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Will88

Because of the Great Society. The rules for Hispanics are no different than the rules for Blacks which also broke up their family units. Amnesty does away with the need for anchor babies and I believe that this will also have an effect on out-of-wedlock births.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 5:23:50 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: tobyhill; All

Anything not 100% Deportation is Amnesty

If the GOP does not prevent Illegal Alien Amnesty...I am through w the GOP. Because, first it will be Amnesty...then it will be “but the immigrants need help”

People do not realize how much it will cost us taxpayers to have Illegal Alien Amnesty. Get ready to pay more


36 posted on 11/12/2012 5:33:21 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Insanity is ever believeing Karl Rove is a conservative)
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To: nolongerademocrat
Amnesty does away with the need for anchor babies and I believe that this will also have an effect on out-of-wedlock births.

You're totally wrong about that. Anchor babies have nothing to do with amnesty or no amnesty, but are an interpretation of the constitution that any child born on US soil, regardless of the parent's citizenship, is a US citizen. Parents could still enter the US illegally, present themselves at a hospital, and have their anchor baby delivered at taxpayer expense.

There are other anchor baby parents who arrange vacations to US, come here from Asia or other non-Latino parts of the world, have a 'US citizen' child, then return to their home country with their anchor baby. They do that just in case things become untenable in their home country in the future.

The only thing that will end the anchor baby scam is a change in how the constitution is interpreted, by the courts or through new legislation that stood up in court.

37 posted on 11/12/2012 5:37:31 AM PST by Will88
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Failure to get them out is destroying the country.People going along with this bright idea have no idea how this will transform America in sheer overpopulation.Chain migration will completely minoritize whites and the Constitutional ideals into the whooping crane overnight.14th amendment still in play. If people are willing to hand over their children’s country this easily in the GOP then there is no room to go after the Obama voter.You better get your Congress Critters phone number ready in your phone. This would be the TITANIC of ruination.
Immigrants are signing our enforcement petition all over the place in Houston, Hispanics are easy signers overall. The toughest nut to crack are young, white mothers steeped in political correctness. We are almost where we want to be on this project.


38 posted on 11/12/2012 5:44:09 AM PST by magna carta
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To: Will88

Anchor babies come with a whole host of government benefits. If it provided no benefit to illegal entrants to the country, they wouldn’t bother doing it.

“Babies born to parents in the U.S. illegally are called “anchor babies” because they automatically become citizens and immediately “anchor” their illegal families to free federal, state, and local benefits. 45% of anchor babies are born to unwed Mexican teenagers. They get on welfare immediately and can stay on welfare for life. Birthright citizenship is an irresistible magnet to get free benefits. There are about 400,000 new anchor babies born every year in the United States. 10% of all births in the U.S. are to illegal aliens. In Los Angeles, 25% of all births are anchor babies. One anchor baby is born every five minutes.” http://www.voiceforvoters.com/?cat=9


39 posted on 11/12/2012 6:03:29 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat
Why are you telling me the benefits of an anchor baby? Maybe you need to retract your statement in #35 which I originally responded to because it is nonsense.

Amnesty does away with the need for anchor babies and I believe that this will also have an effect on out-of-wedlock births.

Now, do you believe that amnesty does away with the need for anchor babies or not???

40 posted on 11/12/2012 6:22:57 AM PST by Will88
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To: tobyhill

If every Republican business owner who employs illegals, and they are legion, would fire them, that would be a good start to solving the illegal immigration problem.

You can’t keep milking the cow and then complain that she eats too much.


41 posted on 11/12/2012 6:24:08 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: tobyhill

The GOP does this and they are dead.


42 posted on 11/12/2012 6:25:14 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Will88

My post supported my initial statement. With amnesty, there is no more need for anchor babies.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 7:02:45 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: ronnie raygun

Oh, come on, now. My friends are telling me that it’s not cool to be a white male anymore, especially an older white male. They say we are just going to have to play the racial politics game, and nominate nothing but blacks and Hispanics from now on. Problem solved!

/HUGE sarc tag


44 posted on 11/12/2012 7:42:29 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (The idiocracy has come home to roost. God help us.)
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To: nolongerademocrat
My post supported my initial statement. With amnesty, there is no more need for anchor babies.

Then you are under some serious delusions. The anchor baby is a tactic used by those with no legal status in the US. If amnesty is granted, there will still be two or three billion poor, potential illegal entrants around the world who would very much benefit from having an anchor baby.

You think millions of poor Mexicans and others further south - who are not physically in the US - will just magically forget about the anchor baby advantage if amnesty is granted to illegals already in the US? They would still gain all the welfare and government support benefits an anchor baby would make available to them.

Illegals already here who might receive amnesty, and the, potential future illegal entrants who could gain benefits with an anchor baby, are two totally different categories of people. Amnesty does nothing to diminish the lure of having an anchor baby for the billions of poor outside the US.

45 posted on 11/12/2012 7:46:53 AM PST by Will88
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To: Will88

Excuse me for confining my point to the “Mexican” issue. You are correct, I did not include poor people in Malaysia who come to the U.S. to have anchor babies. Therefore, you are correct.


46 posted on 11/12/2012 8:57:01 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m not convinced that they’re all that worried about it.


47 posted on 11/12/2012 9:04:32 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: nolongerademocrat

My final post. You are simply wrong, and now even more wrong if you specifically think that amnesty will remove the anchor baby lure of the millions of poor Mexicans still in Mexico.

Mexicans in the many thousands per year will continue to come across our southern border to give birth to their anchor baby in the US, amnesty or no amnesty. The long list of benefits available to the US citizen anchor baby will still be there.

You just refuse to see that amnesty only affects those already in the US, and does nothing to remove the incentive for those outside the US to still come in illegally for anchor baby births, and, to wait for the next amnesty.


48 posted on 11/12/2012 9:06:19 AM PST by Will88
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