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Conservatives, We are not outnumbered.
American Thinker ^ | 11/12/2012 | Brian T. Carter

Posted on 11/11/2012 5:06:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind

There are at least three options in how conservatives respond to the election results:

First, conservatives can take the Tucker Carlson, David Frum, and Bill Kristol approach by nominating even more moderate Republicans and shamelessly pandering to disparate constituent groups, hoping to cobble together a larger coalition than liberals.

...and toward what end? Abandoning core principles can only undermine conservatives' credibility, and liberals will just choose to demonize right-leaning candidates on other issues. Even if the cave and pander strategy is successful, then what is the difference between the parties? What is achieved?

A variation on this approach is to give up entirely. There was no shortage of conservatives willing to do that late Tuesday.

Second, conservatives can focus on how to approach the electorate who, according to exit polls, really believed that Romney was going to ban the sale of birth control pills and condoms, who favored expanding ObamaCare, and who believed that Bush is still responsible for the economic mess.

A more viable variation on this is, as Sarah Palin pointed out, to realize that media bias is so severe that conservatives can't communicate with voters. By implication, to succeed in future elections, conservatives need to find a way to bypass the liberal "lamestream" media and reach low-information voters who get their news from Comedy Central and MSNBC. Brent Bozell at Media Research Center has spent 25 years trying to combat liberal media bias. Glenn Beck is leading in this direction in creating a new media network. Being a trendsetter and controlling the new "cool" is a daunting task.

Third, conservatives can focus on turning out voters more likely to vote for conservatives. The pre-election polls were correct.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; conservatism; conservatives; elections

1 posted on 11/11/2012 5:07:01 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course not.

We just await the risen Reagen.

Who was a Hollywood union member , but I digress- He was the Christ child!


2 posted on 11/11/2012 5:12:19 PM PST by NoLibZone ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic")
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s simply Obamao-Ass kissing Media and FRAUD that got Bath-house Barry back in the people’s house-—nothing more.

I wish they’d quit micro-analyzing this “outcome”.
They just want to write their books and articles to keep THEIR income flowing.


3 posted on 11/11/2012 5:17:06 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: SeekAndFind

Damn straight we’re not outnumbered. That crap is being pushed hard by the left and their “moderate” GOP toadies.

Just show them a map of the nation’s congressional districts and a map of which states are controlled by which party. They go psychotic.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 5:17:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sarah Palin is right about one thing. The media and entertainment establishment is so decidedly liberal, and is such a part of people’s lives nowadays due to social media and constant connectivity, that it is hard for conservatives to break through. It’s worse than that, the MSM, education and entertainment establishment have successfully vilified conservative ideas to such an extent that young generations won’t even consider voting Republican.

Where most of us once thought the new media would level the playing field, it actually drove the existing establishment media further to the left.

Sadly, the country has changed. It is much more a European social welfare state now. That is what, at minimum, a near majority really want. We are following that path and I am not sure there is any way to break from it until the economy implodes.

My guess is going forward the GOP will begin to adopt a more libertarian stance. It won’t outright adopt paulbot positions, but I think we can expect less of an emphasis on social issues, a more isolationist foreign policy, and budget cut proposals that do not spare the defense department.


5 posted on 11/11/2012 5:19:18 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
My guess is going forward the GOP will begin to adopt a more libertarian stance.

That would be refreshing, but you should see what happens when you declare yourself to be a Jeffersonian liberal (libertarian) around these parts.

6 posted on 11/11/2012 5:29:52 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: NoLibZone

How do we educate the un-educatable? The 18-30 year old indoctrinated? Get single white women to think and vote like single white men? How do we get millions on food stamps, free child care, free schooling and free school lunches, free head start, and free housing, and free this and that vote for conservative positions? Our Republic was founded on values bestowed by western civilization and culture and so how do we get a tsumani of immigrants with cultures, rituals, and beliefs diametrically at odds with our own vote for conservative values? Finally, how do we get the mass of the historical plantation class vote conservative values? Since values are shaped by Hollywood, TV, and the mass media, how do conservatives compete against this multi-billion dollar propaganda machine?

With the record like Obama’s even a fool like McCain should have been able to defeat him in 2012. But we lost. The big states appear permanently colored blue. Only TX is standing and may be not for long.

Does anyone have a workable and realistic idea?


7 posted on 11/11/2012 5:32:11 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: SeekAndFind

Like Christ, if what Reagan was, could be replicated so easily, they wouldn’t be specials.

They are admirable goals to starve for.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 5:35:13 PM PST by NoLibZone ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic")
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To: SeekAndFind

we have to focus a lot on both Opt 2 & 3. They are not mutually exclusive


9 posted on 11/11/2012 5:41:06 PM PST by plain talk
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To: SeekAndFind

Huh? Conservatives aren’t even a majority in the republican party... We are absolutely outnumbered. The country has gone off the left end and only the disaster of collapse will change things. Combine the domestic mess with Obama ceding our sovereignty (which he will do by treaty) and the American era is over for ever.


10 posted on 11/11/2012 5:43:51 PM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump for later.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 5:45:13 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Breto

Agree with your post.

% of white voters 1992: 87
% of white voters 2012: 72

non-whites (including surprising to me Asians) are voting Dem approx 70%.

Old white people are dying off being replaced by non-whites.

The trend is NOT our friend.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 5:49:42 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind
What a crock of useless, windmill-tilting crap.

There has never been an election that so clearly dispelled any notion of a possibility of a return to a Constitutional Republic via the political process.

The marxist/communist/moslem span of control is far greater than it was in the failed Soviet Union. About the only piece of the former Constitution remaining to fall will be the Amendment preventing hussein's 3rd an 4th terms. That will be easily accomplished in the next 4-years...IMHO

13 posted on 11/11/2012 6:01:53 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Breto

What are we to do.. we have a dictator and congress is going to do NOTHING to stop this... what are we to do... just talk it to death? Does anyone have any plans? Anyone have anything we can, together, do to stop all that will be coming down on us in a hurry. We are many in number, but we are scattered around and they are laying it all down so fast we can’t afford to wait. I am beyond shock to see this... plus those we send to Washington on the Republican side are more than willing to join in with the left.. Is there NO ONE who will fight this?


14 posted on 11/11/2012 6:05:19 PM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: Mortrey

“It’s simply Obamao-Ass kissing Media”

I agree with that but this article addresses the need to do something about that by continuing to create and promote an alternative media. The Blaze is mentioned, etc.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 6:17:23 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Republican Party needs to stick to Conservative principles and Conservative candidates.

If we begin to chase power and control at the price of our values, we are lost as a country and the Constitutional Republic has failed.


16 posted on 11/11/2012 6:29:58 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: NoLibZone

What’s your problem?

People aren’t allowed to learn and grow in life?

After I enlisted in the USAF during Nam, I was Honorably Discharged in 1974.
I became an Electronics Tech, and was first in the IAW, then the UAW, working full time, while I went to college and then transferred into Engineering.

Would you like to find an issue on which you’re more conservative than I?


17 posted on 11/11/2012 6:36:00 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: frnewsjunkie

“What are we to do.”

Congregate in the red states... get strong and build out from there.

I am leaving this blue state for a red state ASAP realtors already engaged.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 6:37:46 PM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: SeekAndFind
A variation on this approach is to give up entirely. There was no shortage of conservatives willing to do that late Tuesday.

I resemble the above remark...

19 posted on 11/11/2012 6:41:13 PM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: plain talk

Excuse me... they ARE mutually exclusive :-)


20 posted on 11/11/2012 6:41:29 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Mortrey
Look, people have to wake up. The country has changed.

When I was young we didn't have to have security stickers on products to stop lowlifes from stealing. Most people were honest - black and white. Doors weren't locked at night in many cities. We didn't HAVE to have closed circuit cameras in every store, every gas station, and every school. The values of the country have changed - thank the schools with their stupid lifeboat ethics courses... poverty pimp values, illegals flooding into the country...

Our voting systems reflect the country of our memories not the one we live in today.

If we want to win elections we have to grow up. Dems cheat - they steal - they riot if they don't get their way. They're not nice people. The places we vote should be MORE protected than our 7/11's. More protected than our gas stations. Our free society should mean more than a slurpy.. or a pack of cigarettes from a gas station. The lowlifes steal votes too - and get kickbacks and put their friends in cushy jobs. We can afford to protect the right to vote for all citizens.

Dems vote the people who don't show up to vote. They vote FOR them - that's how they cheat. Cameras need to record the number of people going in to vote and the number leaving. Voter ID laws will NOT stop the kind of cheating democrats do in inner cities. And yes, I'm referring to the fact that most large scale cheating goes on in black inner city neighborhoods. (Just in case someone felt I was afraid of speaking the truth...) Florida has some areas where 100% of the people voted in a precinct. I gotta tell you guys - as an old democrat myself - that's a sign of major cheating. And not that well done...

Our first business - is change the laws on voting. Set up cameras that count the people going in to vote. Pay security people to watch. This is NOT the country many of us grew up in - it's a third world banana republic - and it's been looted to the point of bankruptcy....

21 posted on 11/11/2012 7:09:41 PM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: Steelfish
Does anyone have a workable and realistic idea?

I suspect you may as well ask, "Who is John Galt?"

22 posted on 11/11/2012 9:12:19 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: frnewsjunkie

Relax...there’s nothing to fight right now. Obama and his minions are headed for the cliff, and nothing will stop them. Once the economy crashes, that’s when real Americans need to band together in their local communities and struggle through the rebuilding process.

The ferrel humans will either starve to death, or die in the process of looting. Once everything settles down a little, we can re-acknowledge the original Constitution and declare D.C. never to be rebuilt - a constant reminder that without God and reason, and constitutional limits, that will also be the New United States’ end.

Blue states not allowed in the new union will be left to fend for themselves, while NUSA prospers.


23 posted on 11/11/2012 9:12:23 PM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: scott7278

Typing from my phone...feral humans...sorry.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 9:14:16 PM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: GOPJ
Set up cameras that count the people going in to vote.

We would need a database of all voters with facial image detection to show real-time repeat voting of individuals linked with watchers in every precinct in every state.

You would still have to have a Board of Elections that wants to stop fraud. I suspect most don't so it wouldn't matter what you did to count or identify fraudulent voters.

25 posted on 11/11/2012 9:27:47 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister

The election gave us the response to that question.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 9:51:17 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: SeekAndFind

Until we are willing to fight for our principles as violently and single-mindedly as the Left does, we may as well be outnumbered. I keep hearing we don’t want to become them, but the alternative is to become extinct.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 3:17:17 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Breto

“Huh? Conservatives aren’t even a majority in the republican party... We are absolutely outnumbered. The country has gone off the left end and only the disaster of collapse will change things. Combine the domestic mess with Obama ceding our sovereignty (which he will do by treaty) and the American era is over for ever.”

There’s no point in being a conservative if people are willing to compromise their beliefs/values in the last hours for the sake of GOP POWER. Those who voted for a TRUE conservative (write-in) aren’t crying into their pillows at night. They’ve accepted the idea that Romney/Obama was a lose/lose scenario from the start. Conservatism was DOA the moment Romney accepted the nomination.


28 posted on 11/12/2012 7:30:47 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: libdestroyer

If we had not exported jobs to China, we would still be in the catbird seat.

See that is what the problem is.

Post after post on this board does not identify the problem.

China.

China is not a free trade state. China is predatory, and only sells goods.


29 posted on 11/12/2012 7:34:14 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“If we had not exported jobs to China, we would still be in the catbird seat.

See that is what the problem is.

Post after post on this board does not identify the problem.

China.

China is not a free trade state. China is predatory, and only sells goods.”

I don’t see this as too big an issue. The global economy is changing and the United States needs to change with it. Just like the phrase “you can’t out-Walmart Walmart” you can’t “out-China China”.

We need to SPECIALIZE in something. China “specializes” in cheap mfg and labor. We have to improve our science & technology programs in our schools to bring up fresh, innovative thinking. Like it or not, cheap labor is here to stay. If it wasn’t China, it would be Mexico. Even our “American” cars are made is Mexico.


30 posted on 11/12/2012 7:42:38 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: libdestroyer

No you are wrong.

China specializes in exports.

Increasingly good exports.

And in NOT buying imports.

That is leading to a very bad conclusion to the current state of being.


31 posted on 11/12/2012 7:45:07 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You need to re-read my post and find where I said anything about China importing products.

What I am talking about is, not trying to compete with China from a mfg standpoint. We need to change the nature of our economy to favor a more white-collar work force that INNOVATES.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 8:01:01 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: Steelfish
How do we get millions on food stamps, free child care, free schooling and free school lunches, free head start, and free housing, and free this and that vote for conservative positions?

You've identified the problem. We can't out-freebie the 'Rats. They are just too good at it and the 'Pub candidates who try are playing a fool's game. We have now two and three generations of voters out there who are inured to the entitlement mentality. They think government exists to give them things. They have no idea of what the Founders believed the purpose of government was. I don't think there are many school children out there today who have even read the Declaration. The words "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,..." are utterly foreign to them.

I am afraid that I am coming around to the viewpoint that the only way to change it is to let it collapse of it's own weight and then try to rebuild the Republic in the image that the Founders made. Unfortunately, getting there will involve a lot of pain and suffering, but we've walked that road before.

33 posted on 11/12/2012 8:01:09 AM PST by chimera
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To: higgmeister

You don’t understand how democrats cheat. When democrats cheat they vote the people who don’t bother to show up. Here’s how easy it is to catch. If 200 people walk into a precinct to vote - and at the end of the night the vote shows a total of 3,000 people voting - there’s fraud. You don’t need fancy cameras. The old fashion kind will do just fine...


34 posted on 11/12/2012 12:50:18 PM PST by GOPJ (Petraeus confession: like something from a 'Soviet purge trial'....)
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To: GOPJ
You don’t understand how democrats cheat. When democrats cheat they vote the people who don’t bother to show up. Here’s how easy it is to catch. If 200 people walk into a precinct to vote - and at the end of the night the vote shows a total of 3,000 people voting - there’s fraud. You don’t need fancy cameras. The old fashion kind will do just fine...

To what end? Who will you tell of the cheating? Someone in the media? Would you bring a civil suit? Would you ask an Election Board to act? Would you agree that what you propose is all still after the fact, with no proof of fraud in another lost election?

35 posted on 11/12/2012 2:57:11 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: libdestroyer

You miss the point:

China will compete with is in every market. Always.

We need to equalize things. China has an advantage.

So we should built one in return.

Tax Chinese imports. That will contribute to our budget (no more spending needed) and encourage exports.

If China raises their prices, then we can drop the taxes. But right now we need a fix.

Big time.


36 posted on 11/12/2012 5:32:50 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
We need to equalize things. China has an advantage.

Why do US consumers buy Chinese manufactured crap?

37 posted on 11/12/2012 5:36:38 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“You miss the point:
China will compete with is in every market. Always.
We need to equalize things. China has an advantage.”

Couldn’t disagree more. China is not a creative, innovative country. They just aren’t wired that way as a culture like we are... we DO have advantage here.

HOWEVER, I believe we do need a way to hold China’s feet to the fire regarding copyrights.


38 posted on 11/13/2012 12:44:52 PM PST by libdestroyer
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