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Rove under fire
New Jersey.com ^ | November 10, 2012 | New Jersey.com

Posted on 11/10/2012 11:37:44 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Karl Rove is feeling the heat.

The face of the historic $1 billion plan to unseat President Barack Obama and turn the Senate Republican, Rove now finds himself the leading scapegoat for its failure. And he's scrambling to protect his status as a top GOP money man by convincing disappointed donors to his Crossroads groups that he did the best he could with their $300 million.

Sources tell POLITICO that some donors have called Crossroads officials to ask how their polling could have been so far off, while others are openly grumbling that the groups should have spent more on the ground game. Rival operatives -- long frustrated by Rove's dominance of big GOP money -- are seizing on the discontent, questioning whether he's hurting the cause and privately urging donors to shut him out.

During a secret Thursday afternoon conference call with his benefactors, Rove laid out the analytics behind his assertions to donors that a massive late-game advertising push would expand the electoral map into Pennsylvania and deliver the White House and the Senate.

The call was civil, focusing on questions like, "'where was my strategy, was it right, was it wrong? What did we find out that we didn't know before?' That kind of thing -- nothing negative, no recriminations or blame," said Minnesota media mogul Stan Hubbard.

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; karlrove; obama; romney; rove

1 posted on 11/10/2012 11:37:56 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

How could so many pollsters and pundits got the election results so wrong? Answer—massive voter fraud, thats how.
There needs to be a massive investigation into all the voting irregulaties and shenanigans of the corrupt Dem leftist machine.


2 posted on 11/10/2012 12:45:23 PM PST by tflabo
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To: Uncle Chip

Karl Rove and the GOP-e can KMA!! But of course, I’ve been saying this for at least the last couple of years when they began torpedoing our tea party candidates. They hate conservatism and absolutely loath tea partiers. To them, we’re nothing but a pack of ignorant, bible-thumping, flag-waving, gun-toting extremist redneck hicks.


3 posted on 11/10/2012 12:47:10 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: tflabo

Good.

Bye bye Rove.

Bye.


4 posted on 11/10/2012 12:47:26 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Jim Robinson

According to reports, Rove got to keep 10% of what he raised through Crossroads and walks away from this election fiasco with a hefty $33,000,000. Not a bad payout for a backstabbing cork-screwing double dealing sell out.


5 posted on 11/10/2012 12:57:50 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Rove claimed on FOX News a few days ago that he takes no income from Crossroads. I found it hard to believe that he’s doing this for charity.


6 posted on 11/10/2012 1:01:42 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: Uncle Chip
Rove based his projections on the polls.
But the polls were way out of whack with what happened Tuesday.

How and why could the polls be so wrong?
There are reports from all areas of voter fraud.
Here are a few:

Vote was astronomical for Obama in some Philadelphia wards

In 13 Philadelphia wards Obama received 99% or more of the vote

http://articles.philly.com/2012-11-09/news/34995157_1_voter-turnout-president-obama-gop-voters

What Luck! Obama Won Dozens of Cleveland Districts with 100% of the Vote

In Cleveland, in some districts he did even better with an astounding 100% of the vote in dozens of locations.

http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

Colorado Counties Have More Voters Than People

Census records reveals ten counties having a total registration ranging between 104 to 140 percent of the respective populations.

http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/04/colorado-counties-have-more-voters-than-people/


7 posted on 11/10/2012 1:01:54 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: Uncle Chip

Yup. He was in it for the money and power. Probably thought he’d be Romney’s brain too.


8 posted on 11/10/2012 1:03:08 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: tflabo
Most of the mainstream pollsters got it right.

If there was some sort of movement toward Romney at the end, it was too late. Too many voters had already voted early.

That's exactly what happened to Santorum in Michigan. Some say if he had won Michigan he would have stopped Romney and become the Republican nominee.

Unfortunately his momentum came too late as lots of Republicans did like the Democrats and voted early for convenience rather than wait until all of the available information was in.

When Republicans start behaving like Democrats what should we expect?

9 posted on 11/10/2012 1:05:38 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Uncle Chip

Yes, Rove wound up with egg on his face. The only thing he got right was saying that Todd Akin was a surefire loser, and that him staying in would feed the Democrat’s ‘War on Women” theme, not to mention guaranteeing McCaskill’s reelection. He was absolutely right on that score.


10 posted on 11/10/2012 1:12:24 PM PST by TonyInOhio
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To: Uncle Chip; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”Karl Rove is feeling the heat.
The face of the historic $1 billion plan to unseat President Barack Obama and turn the Senate Republican, Rove now finds himself the leading scapegoat for its failure. And he's scrambling to protect his status as a top GOP money man by convincing disappointed donors to his Crossroads groups that he did the best he could with their $300 million.
Sources tell POLITICO that some donors have called Crossroads officials to ask how their polling could have been so far off, while others are openly grumbling that the groups should have spent more on the ground game. Rival operatives — long frustrated by Rove’s dominance of big GOP money — are seizing on the discontent, questioning whether he's hurting the cause and privately urging donors to shut him out. “

Even BEFORE the election I figured Romney had a good (but not sure) chance of losing and so I was wondering how Rove would explain it after spending all their money on nothing.
I noticed he didn't look confident on his FNC analyst appearances the week before when he was saying that Romney was winning.

11 posted on 11/10/2012 1:15:04 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Boehner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: TonyInOhio

Yup. Rove has an almost perfect record of torpedoing our conservative candidates/nominees.


12 posted on 11/10/2012 1:15:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yup. Rove has an almost perfect record of torpedoing our conservative candidates/nominees.

Gotta agree with that one, Jim. Unfortunately, Akin's wound was self-inflicted. I'm hoping we can avoid the same mistakes in 2014; Akin, Mourdock, Berg and Thompson all wound up being the weakest candidate in their races, and we should have picked up all four seats with ease.

A quick thanks for all the hard work you and John did in keeping things moving on Tuesday - the news flowed right in, even if most of it was bad.

13 posted on 11/10/2012 1:21:43 PM PST by TonyInOhio
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To: Uncle Chip

If we want to win, we must educate. That means more than sound bite commercials once every four years.

We need to start raising the same money every year that we do on presidential years, and we need to spend it on educational commercials, and even movies. Educate the American public to the realities of true liberty, race baiting, the effects of family destruction, the real math of federal outlays, etc.

We need to hand out short, but meaningful pamphlets to our apolytical friends. Educational and patriotic.

We need to hit churches with flyers that point out the clear conflict between God and socialism.

Seriously folks, we need to raise 400% more money than the Dems and we need to spend it on real vote changing information.

So, how do we raise $1 billion every year? We ned to raise about $150/year ($12.50/month) on average from every Republican that cares enough to vote. We need to commit to it and spend the money.


14 posted on 11/10/2012 1:24:45 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Crossroads did a TON of advertising. And their ads were good.

I don’t blame Rove.

I blame the “gimme” mentality of 50.1% of the American people.

I do take consolation in the fact that the Republicans held the House, and that Obama did not add voters to his 2008 totals...he LOST voters. So that is a good thing.

I am very very sad about the celebration of sodomy in Maine, Maryland and Washington. Frankly, these people have chosen perversion over godliness and nature. So I won’t be spending any time there for vacation...Maine and Washington were not on the short list, but I had considered some time in Maryland.

No more.


15 posted on 11/10/2012 1:25:14 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Jim Robinson

Rove is a general fighting the battles of the last war.


16 posted on 11/10/2012 1:26:30 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Bye, bye—don’t let the door hit ya on the way out.


17 posted on 11/10/2012 1:37:12 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Uncle Chip

I wonder if Sean will still call him “The Architect?”


18 posted on 11/10/2012 1:43:47 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Rove got to keep 10% of what he raised through Crossroads

No wonder he was predicting a Romney win. Keep those donations flowing.

Had he said Romney would lose by 2 points or more, those donation dollars would have ceased.

I wonder whether Barone and Morris had similar arrangements.

Since many of the recent polling organizations were very close this time, it causes one to question the truthfulness, not of the polling organizations, but of Rove, Barone, Morris, et al. When did they know Romney was going to lose?
19 posted on 11/10/2012 1:50:36 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Uncle Chip

Rove, for all his faults, has been responsible for the largest source of outside money to Tea Party candidates.

He gave $3-$5 million to Tea Party Senate candidates in 2010, with the exception of Christine O’Donnell, which he knew right away was a lost cause.

And for example, this year Tea Party Senate candidate Richard Murdock in Indiana received was also strongly supported by Rove.

According to the AP: “Crossroads GPS is by far the biggest spender in Indiana, at close to $5 million” our of $20 million spent by outside groups.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ad-spending-tops-25M-in-Ind-Senate-race-3996922.php#ixzz2BrJ2lS4G


20 posted on 11/10/2012 1:52:09 PM PST by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: Uncle Chip
And he's scrambling to protect his status as a top GOP money man by convincing disappointed donors to his Crossroads groups that he did the best he could with their $300 million.

So what did Rove do with the 300 million to combat voter fraud??

The answer of course is nothing.

For 300 million we could have hired an army of poll watchers in FL, VA, OH and CO.

21 posted on 11/10/2012 1:56:28 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: tflabo
Who was wrong among the pollsters? They all had it right. Even that turd Nate Silver was pretty much on the money. They may have been 1-2 points high, but I don't see how you can call fraud when millions of Republicans apparently stayed home.

I've looked at our precincts in Dayton. Nothing unusual. Obama was down from 08. Romney down more.

22 posted on 11/10/2012 1:58:48 PM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Iron Munro
...so did Romney pull 100% at ANY location in Oklahoma?

Didn't think so.

23 posted on 11/10/2012 2:04:48 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Uncle Chip
And he's scrambling to protect his status as a top GOP money man by convincing disappointed donors to his Crossroads groups that he did the best he could with their $300 million.

LOLOL...suckers.

24 posted on 11/10/2012 2:06:13 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: LS
LS?

Hm?....Are you the poster who defended Obama’s eligibility?

25 posted on 11/10/2012 2:21:25 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Hey Sean! Can you stop calling this idiot “The Architect” now???


26 posted on 11/10/2012 2:33:27 PM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: FreeReign

A lot of that money would have been better spent on a ground game.


27 posted on 11/10/2012 2:43:43 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: SampleMan
If we want to win, we must educate. That means more than sound bite commercials once every four years. We need to start raising the same money every year that we do on presidential years, and we need to spend it on educational commercials, and even movies. Educate the American public to the realities of true liberty, race baiting, the effects of family destruction, the real math of federal outlays, etc.

You are correct that wee need to raise the money. But we need to use it to build a huge cheating operation to rival the 'rats. Our elections have become like our wars. We are fighting under losing rules of engagement. We know we cannot shut down the rat cheating efforts. We need to out-cheat them.

28 posted on 11/10/2012 2:43:58 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sans-Culotte

You said, “We know we cannot shut down the rat cheating efforts. We need to out-cheat them.”


Oh how I wish that we could. Some of us are bound by conscience to not cheat. Sometimes, it really sucks to be a christian.


29 posted on 11/10/2012 3:02:27 PM PST by 1lawlady (To G-d be the glory. Great things He has done!)
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To: tflabo
How could so many pollsters and pundits got the election results so wrong?

The pollsters got it right. We got it wrong.

Time to think about that instead of blaming this one or that one.

30 posted on 11/10/2012 3:43:01 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Rove kept pressing for moderates, and look what happened. While I’m pragmatic, and voted for Paul Ryan, and against Obama, many conservatives just decided not to vote for the ticket.


31 posted on 11/10/2012 5:42:00 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: wintertime
Um, no. What I said at the time was that it didn't matter what the reality was. It was a non-starter and that we could put our energies into better ways of defeating him. And I was right.

And the same is true about Benghazi, especially since the Ds dominate the senate. We know the truth but h public is unconcerned with the truth.

32 posted on 11/11/2012 4:08:36 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: LS

but h public is unconcerned with the truth.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Marxist dominated media is unconcerned with the truth.

I have more faith in the people than you do.


33 posted on 11/11/2012 5:13:00 AM PST by wintertime (:-))
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