Skip to comments.Why not run a Conservative for once? (Saturbray)
Posted on 11/10/2012 5:54:17 AM PST by bray
I wrote this last February although I did fall for the false gold hoping Romney could win. Even then we all feared this was going to happen:
This is how we know that LOVE is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. 1 John 3:16
We just lost a special election here in Oregon where the establishment ran a self described moderate and lost twice in a row. When all of the experts try to explain that you have to run the perfect candidate to satisfy the moderates you need to ask them by what proof do they come up with that truth? There is more proof of Global Warming than moderate candidates win. As they point to all the Tea Party candidates who cost us elections we have seen in Blue Oregon that moderates dont fare any better and will be painted as rabid conservatives so why not run rabid conservatives who can defend themselves.
We ran a really nice guy who has a great family and is a small business owner who in many ways agrees with conservatives however he never really understood conservatism or how it relates to freedom. He not only didnt have the ability to articulate it but he was told to make sure not to say anything that would offend the moderates or the media so he didnt. Not only that, the campaign as well as the Party used every means possible to make sure the volunteers never came in contact with the people to potentially say something that would offend them or the media. So to control the message and make sure no Tea Party message went out they ran the entire outreach by phone. What we ended up with was a vanilla campaign and unenthused voters who never showed up with their ballots.
The excuses are as varied as the imaginations of those who ran this anemic campaign, from being outspent 5 to 1 or a 14% voter registration margin to mailers that lied, but in the end the Republicans never showed up. When you dont excite the conservatives you dont get the money or their votes. These of course are obstacles to a campaign but they can be overcome by an aggressive attack with a candidate who can take the fight to the enemy. You will never beat the Dems by playing defense since they will always fire up their troops and get their voters out at the end.
We tried helping by running a strictly grassroots campaign to try to finally break the 35 year drought our district has had electing Dems and in the end couldnt do it. We were hamstrung by the Party and the campaign to the point of our precinct organizers being told not to organize their precincts or go door to door for fear of them saying the wrong thing. When they were asked if they could go door to door to bring in the ballots for our vote by mail we were told absolutely not, they only wanted phone callers and nothing else. This is so they could protect their precious message of nothingness.
As bad and incompetent as this campaign may have appeared it is a perfect mirror of what the Mitt campaign will look like. Just like Oregon the national experts know exactly how and who to promote to win the election and manage the message. They believe they have the perfect vanilla anti-Tea Party message to win over those movable moderates when what they think they know is the exact opposite. Nationally we need a strong crusader for our message to move and educate those moderates or we will have the same exact result we had for our election. There is no difference between Oregon and the liberal cities. The free stuff message Ohbummer will be spreading which will be going against a stiff liberal Republican trying to outgive him and will never work.
With Mittwit we are heading down the path of destruction of the Party. Not only will it further divide the Tea Party from the Country Club as it did here it has almost zero chance of succeeding. We need to unite the Party and the only one who has a chance of doing that is a Conservative. A Conservative can bring the Tea Party on board where half of your activists exist as well as reluctantly bring the Country Club as they have to compare him to Ocommie which should be no comparison even to them. Our election should be a huge warning that in a district that could have been won was lost by the experts in the Country Club who manipulated, bought and used Stalinist central planning techniques to manage the loss. They will blame the voter imbalance, money and any number of excuses but it is a very good primer of what is going to happen in the fall if we nominate Romney who does not generate enthusiasm from the Conservative base and the Party relies on moderating their way to victory. His stiff demeanor will not connect with liberals and will be painted as a radical, rich, old guy Conservative no matter how liberal he actually is. He will have no defense against those charges other than being more liberal and alienating the base who wont vote.
The bottom line is here in Oregon we were lectured and manipulated by the so called experts how this candidate gave us the perfect opportunity to win and the experts were wrong. These experts are either incompetent, corrupt or in alliance with the other side. In the end they get paid the same whether the candidate wins or loses so what have they got to lose. These managers are not ideologues but hired guns to manage a campaign and as long as the phone calls are being made and meetings being attended then the losses were managed well. Choose wisely because there are some powerful people wanting this election to turn out exactly how they want it and right now is going according to plan, just like ours did. Dont let happen what happened to Oregon happen to America so be a bit pragmatic to unite and bust your butt behind Gingrich to defeat the Country Club. He is not perfect but right now it is him or the Country Club and a sure loss to Obama just like Oregon.
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The GOP-E and moderate/RINO’s have had their way the last two elections and look what happened.
It s time for the onservatives to take over e GOP and kick the establishment out. The second alternative is to leave the GOP and start a new party. GOP will not last if that happens.
It doesnt matter what you run..dems own the country now..by cheating bribes and lies.
It doesnt matter what you run..dems own the country now..by cheating bribes and lies.Conservatives wont get out the vote. besides..illegals , leftists , women , unions and gov workers teamed together out number conservatives...and they have the students ..the idiot students.add to that control of the voting system and soon the supreme court..we are a one party country now.
I understand what you are saying, but here in Blue Oregon we have put together a system we got 90% of the Repubs to vote and held a seat in a bloodbath. There is a way to do it.
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I've got to agree with that. But don't forget to add "their complete control over the media" to your list.
This is a brand new ball game. One team gets eight downs to make a first down, and also gets to pick the officials. The other team only gets two downs.
I really don't see the GOP winning a nation election again unless the dem's make a very drastic mistake, one that the media just can't ignore.
GOP = the next Whig party
I agree, we need an actual fiscal conservative, not another big government wonk in disguise like we’ve had as a candidate in the last few elections. I mean, what better election platform could you have than “less taxes”, we just need to be fair about where the cuts are and get the message out. Nothing should be a sacred cow and that includes the military, we could wipe the floor with any of our enemies without barely lifting a finger. All countries that could possibility be a military threat to us, e.g. China, are too economically dependent on us (and vice versa) to risk war.
The GOP leadership and the MSM kinda work together to determine who the Republican candidate is. This is probably why the Libertarians and Ron Paul people actively work to undermine the GOP candidate in the general election. The Tea Party, however, holds their noses and votes for the GOP candidate knowing the alternative is much worse. Libertarians and Ron Paul voters could care less. All this makes it easier for the MSM to discourage Republicans from voting and push independents to the Progressives. I lump Fox news in with the GOP efforts to pick the RINO candidates.
Exactly, we need someone who has understands the principals of the free market and how it would work unfettered. If we are going to lose anyway why not go for it.
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Ditto—what you said.
Mitt won the primary gauntlet so a third party is the only way we need to organize and file in every state
Don’t say that to loud on FR, after conservatives can’t win.
I’ve seen it expressed, and I even agree that Ronald Reagan would not have done any better than Romney this time out. The Nation has degenerated to the point where real values have no value with the electorate.
The political class, a part of the "elites," is not like the common man. At bottom, each individual in that class "wins" by getting office, and it doesn't matter which of the two parties they join to get "in." If one party is losing, and right now the GOP is, the same politician might join the DEMs for a better chance at getting "in." The reverse can happen too. Boehner (just to pick an example) doesn't hold any deep political principle, although he mouths certain ones in order to maintain his elected office.
It's is naive to think that the elites are going to voluntarily reduce their own number, or their own influence. This is "law of jungle" played out on a gentleman's battlefield, with voters being misled into a feeling of empowerment by having the vote. I think the voter participation in Saddam Hussein's Iraq was higher than the voter participation in the USA.
The two party formula is tried and proven. All of the elites, elected politicians, judges, etc., all of them claim to be abiding by the same constitution, the same limits of government power.
Reagan would have given the people a reason to vote rather than trying to be loved by the mediots. We need someone like Palin or Gingrich who are willing to fight.
except the gentleman’s battlefield is full of people with the morals and honor of scum..not gentleman.
Yes. I just used that term, gentlemen's battlefield, to distinguish from a military battlefield.
And not to say that all politicians are sociopaths, any more than all people are. Just that at the level of "successful politician" in the modern world (and by successful, I mean setting of policy via legislation or order), they all share the qualities of being selfish (would rather be "in" the role, and would drop a principle to stay "in") and of belief that the system of "them" lording over "us" is the correct natural order. IOW, they find the radical order of self government to be nothing but a quaint phrase.
And not to say that the parties are the same. They can't be. If the parties were the same, the illusion of "government of the people, by the people and for the people" would be destroyed. They have to be different, and they have to conduct a public battle against each other. Throw in "the vote," and voila, the politicians can shift all blame to the voters.
What is the same is that they all enjoy the perks and powers of privilege, above all else. And they avoid accountability as if it was the plague.
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