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Campaign Sources: The Romney Campaign was a Consultant Con Job
RedState ^ | 11-9-2012

Posted on 11/10/2012 4:52:22 AM PST by Sir Napsalot

(More Project Orca fallout, and Romeny being blindsided)

If you spend your time watching politics and haven’t been hiding in a deep depression since Tuesday, you’ve probably been hearing a lot about “ORCA.” According to the Washington Post, ORCA “was designed as a first-of-its-kind tool to employ smartphones to mobilize voters, allowing them to microtarget which of their supporters had gone to the polls.”

There is now widespread condemnation of the program as being sloppy and poorly deployed.

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Specifically Targeted Victory, FLS Connect, and The Stevens and Schriefer Group. While the Romney campaign did work with other consultants, they were apparently not part of the problem.

They say that the truth is the consultants essentially used the Romney campaign as a money making scheme, forcing employees to spin false data as truth in order to paint a rosy picture of a successful campaign as a form of job security.

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According to all the sources I spoke to, the breakdown of the campaign can be traced to the primaries. One source saying “they looked at the guy who could raise the most money in history as a ride” adding that “money no longer matters. That’s the problem,” also referring to the campaign overall as “the biggest political flim flam of all time.”

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: projectorca; vote2012
UnFreakingBelievable.
1 posted on 11/10/2012 4:52:27 AM PST by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

Rove made his 50 to 200 million $ so he is happy
as a clam as America rots and burns.

The GOP was warned but was glad to comply ... as always.


2 posted on 11/10/2012 4:54:10 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Last paragraph:

The result of all of these false numbers and inaccurate ground reports is simple: Mitt Romney had no idea what was coming on election day and his false sense of confidence directly translated into how the campaign operated in the closing weeks. In the words of one source, it was a con job. As David Mamet famously said, “If you’re in the con game and you don’t know who the mark is … you’re the mark.” Mitt Romney had no idea what was coming.


And the fall of our once great country is worth it?


3 posted on 11/10/2012 4:54:57 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

How could anyone who voted for McCain not vote for Romney, other than dying. Know at least five who voted for Barry in `08 who switched to Romney this time...I cannot concieve how someone for the love of their country could not vote against Obama.


4 posted on 11/10/2012 4:56:40 AM PST by pithyinme (Smiling Joe Biden... too dumb to sell used cars ... to lazy to steal them.)
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To: pithyinme

Sad thing is that even though it was horribly run campaing, they almost won it. Few hundred of thousands votes in swing states and Romney would have won.


5 posted on 11/10/2012 4:58:15 AM PST by scbison
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To: pithyinme

I agree.. I personally know 7 people who voted Obama in ‘08
that voted Romney..


6 posted on 11/10/2012 4:59:39 AM PST by YankeeMagic
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7 posted on 11/10/2012 4:59:40 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("You never actually understand quantum physics. You just, so to speak, get used to it." Nils Bohr)
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To: Sir Napsalot; All

Sorry, I forgot to attribute the article to author

Ben Howe


8 posted on 11/10/2012 5:01:22 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Anyone who works with IT/software knows that you don’t expect a system to magically work without testing the stuffing out of it—with users in the loop. Apparently, the procedures for system engineering and test were ignored here big time. “Hope” might be a winning argument when it comes to politics, but it doesn’t feed the bulldog in engineering.

Either:
1. The people doing the IT oversight for the campaign were totally incompetent.
2. The $$ just wasn’t there to do things right (a distinct possibility).
3. The folks writing the software were closet Obama supporters and that impacted their work. [Wouldn’t totally rule this out.]
4. All of the above.


9 posted on 11/10/2012 5:02:08 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Sir Napsalot
The Ace of Spades article on ORCA is very informative as he was a volunteer using that system. He chronicles all the problems he experienced here:

ace.mu.nu/archives/334783.php

10 posted on 11/10/2012 5:02:26 AM PST by expat1000
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To: Sir Napsalot
Heh...the ABO crowd around here spent months telling us what a great manager Romney was and could save the country. He did not even have a clue about what was going on in his own campaign.

The GOP-E at its finest.

11 posted on 11/10/2012 5:04:07 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: cripplecreek

You might be interested in this story about how Romney’s campaign was nothing but a con job...


12 posted on 11/10/2012 5:06:00 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: pithyinme

I think there are people, including McCain voters, who are just fed up with politics. I knew a few people who voted for McCain in 2008 and did not vote this year. They basically said, “we’re screwed either way, so why bother?” I didn’t really push the issue, because everyone I heard this from was in NY or NJ, but that attitude is out there.


13 posted on 11/10/2012 5:08:49 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Sir Napsalot

My Day with ORCA

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2957832/posts


14 posted on 11/10/2012 5:10:13 AM PST by quicksilver123
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To: Sir Napsalot

The first hint that ORCA was going to be a failure should have been the fact that the use of cell phones are prohibited in many (if not most) polling places.


15 posted on 11/10/2012 5:12:57 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Interesting because David Axelrod said the Romney campaign is delusional if they think they are leading.

Obama was running against a bunch of amateurs compared to what the Romney campaign was doing.


16 posted on 11/10/2012 5:14:55 AM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Sir Napsalot

I can tell you right now the ORCA thing was completely misplaced money and resources. The ORCA was apparently just to monitor turnout which is really after-the-fact info for analysis. Someone I know who volunteered was sent to a precinct far from their home, in what can be described as a Dem snakepit where they would stand out like a sore thumb. It was asinine. They turned around and left before something bad happened. They also only got sent the voter list and participation instructions the Friday before the election, so they had to go the the county R office the day before the election to get credentialed.
I also agree that when “money is no object” it gets mostly wasted (just like the fed gov).


17 posted on 11/10/2012 5:23:21 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: rbg81
The folks writing the software were closet Obama supporters and that impacted their work. [Wouldn’t totally rule this out.]

I saw the job posting for Lead QA Engineer and almost applied. If the democrats wanted to sabotage the campaign from the inside this was the position to do it.

18 posted on 11/10/2012 5:29:56 AM PST by AU72
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To: YankeeMagic

“I agree.. I personally know 7 people who voted Obama in ‘08
that voted Romney..”

And for those 7 people, there were 100 in Philly and other places who came out of the woodwork and voted for Obama.


19 posted on 11/10/2012 5:34:26 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Media goes nuts in 2004 because Bush went to the dentist 20 years ago. Benghazi? Nothing.)
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To: rbg81

It was vapor ware.

In the early 90’s my business partner produced an app that eventually became robo calling, recorded messaging from businesses and anything that calls you today.

He was always a day away from taking it live. I told him writing this in fortran will never fly. There was better code use and I brought in an expert to write the system. I explained about integration testing, user testing and the proper processes for how to take an app to market. He wouldn’t listen. He diluted my stock and basically tossed me out on my butt.

I was an experienced IT programmer and systems engineer. He took a course in fortran in college 10 years earlier. Wouldn’t let me or the programmer go near the code.

Point is, Romney was sold a bill of goods and all he knew was there was an app that would change the election in his favor. He probably asked one question, “will this work?” And probably got back, “of course it will work.”


20 posted on 11/10/2012 5:43:21 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Media goes nuts in 2004 because Bush went to the dentist 20 years ago. Benghazi? Nothing.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

BS, Romney doesn’t appear to be a stupid man. Stuff like this is written to pound the final nails in his coffin and/or the conservative movement.


21 posted on 11/10/2012 6:09:31 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Sadly, this is probably why Axelrod was so confident the Obama campaign would prevail. ORCA was not a secret and the Obama campaign knew it would fail.

Really, I thought Romney had smart people running his campaign, but this is a political blunder that will go down in history as one of the worst of all time.


22 posted on 11/10/2012 6:10:34 AM PST by WildWeasel
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To: Sir Napsalot

I don’t know any details of the Romney campaign’s expenditures, but the few times I’ve looked at expenditures for previous campaigns, there were some pretty amazing amounts being paid to ‘consultants’.

It might be interesting to see a summary of the Romney campaign expenditures when available.


23 posted on 11/10/2012 6:28:08 AM PST by Will88
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To: Sir Napsalot

Volunteering in my precinct to get out the vote. We were told to use this great new software program(after we were given password access) to help identify voters. Never could get into the program. Thought it was just me and my lack of computer literacy. Turns out now it was a fiasco.


24 posted on 11/10/2012 6:29:11 AM PST by J.Deere Man
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To: YankeeMagic

I agree.. I personally know 7 people who voted Obama in ‘08
that voted Romney..

Well Obama had millions of college students who didn’t vote for him in 08, but were old enough to vote for him in 12. Romney was told to go to college campus’ but he said “it wouldn’t be worth it”. How crazy can Romney be. Even if he would have gotten 5 percent of those NEW voters on college campus’, it might have made a difference.


25 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:02 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: freekitty

Agree. Romney actually came close enough to winning that the botched implementation of ORCA can explain why he failed in critical states without realizing it. There were 30,000 volunteers staged for GOTV. They were overwhelmingly located in the critical states like OH VA and FL.

Also consider that Obama was acting like he knew he was about to lose. He now seems pretty shocked that he won (I think his emotional breakdown at his thank-you event with campaign staff was genuine)

I’ve done big ERP rollouts. SAP and Peoplesoft. It usd to be that the average SAP implementation took 24 months and had a 65% chance of failure necessitating an effort restart (companies, after having learned lots of expensive lessons in failing tended to get it right the second time around).

ORCA seems to me to have been too complex and ambitious ... Classic “big bang” implementation, which are incredibly risky and not best practices ( it’s better to evolve existing systems or implement incrementally — that’s why Agile and similar methodologies are on the rise, waterfall on the decline)

The failure here isn’t really with ORCA, but rather with the apparant lack of a fallback operation. That’s just plain nuts, but not indicative of griffer consultants using the campaign as a cash cow. Romney did too well for that to have been it.


26 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:56 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: freekitty
>>> BS, Romney doesn’t appear to be a stupid man. ...

Nobody’s saying Romney a ‘stupid man’. And you may be right about now post-election insiders tearing one another apart.

BUT, from other people reporting and participating in ORCA, there is truth that the system was riddled with problems, and ‘consultants and firms’ fed Romney hogwash materials. If not an outright Chicago inside job.

These con men must be identified, tarred/feathered.

27 posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:47 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Diogenesis

When the Zombie Apocalypse comes Rove should be careful as he could feed a family of five or six.


28 posted on 11/10/2012 7:11:51 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
I don't buy all this stuff about consultants just profiteering off the Romney campaign. The last Gallup poll before the hurricane had Romney with a 5 point lead among likely voters. This poll was not part of a "con game". Rasmussen's last poll had the election close to tied in the popular vote. Something unusual and unexpected happened on election day that the pollsters absolutely did not expect to see, and I don't buy the argument that the election was stolen through vote fraud. Obama won by large margins in several of the swing states that were supposed to be very close, and he won by too many votes to explain that by fraud.

It seems like the entire science and art of polling needs to be re-examined and revised by firms like Gallup and Rasmussen. They missed something big in this election and so did Romney's consultants.

29 posted on 11/10/2012 7:22:15 AM PST by socialism_stinX (Boycott all shows on ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, and MSNBC, and report your boycott in your Nielsen survey.)
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To: rbg81

In fairness to the Romney campaign (and speaking as a software developer), I’m sure they ran a very large number of tests on the Orca system. But it’s difficult to simulate the number of simultaneous users that you have on election day and there’s no possible way to simulate all the possible technical and user-related problems that can occur on election day. My take on this is that the GOP needs to use a simpler and less-sophisticated system next time that doesn’t rely so much on real-time data from field operatives with smart phones, but just gets the basic job done and enables volunteers to contact all the likely GOP voters.


30 posted on 11/10/2012 7:23:43 AM PST by socialism_stinX (Boycott all shows on ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, and MSNBC, and report your boycott in your Nielsen survey.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Point is, Romney was sold a bill of goods and all he knew was there was an app that would change the election in his favor. He probably asked one question, “will this work?” And probably got back, “of course it will work.”

I think you are probably correct re: Romney's level of involvement with this. I am kind of split. On one hand, running for President is extremely grueling and he was probably one of the busiest men on the planet for the last few months. So....I can understand where he might have a hands off approach to something like software. On the other hand, he marketed himself as a can-do executive. It reflects poorly on him that such a critical cog in his political machine could go so haywire. If he only asked one question, then that was way too little.

Of course, there were many factors why he lost. Blaming it on any one is disingenuous at this point.

31 posted on 11/10/2012 9:56:06 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Sir Napsalot

I never was a Romney fan, but like most people with their eyes open I knew he was a better alternative to Obama.

But one of the reasons I had any hope at all for a Romney Presidency was because of his “skill” at picking and working with talented people that know what they are doing.

Apparently, that delusion is off the table now based on the above story.


32 posted on 11/10/2012 10:02:19 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: socialism_stinX

I can’t figure out how, if this is a scam or even just incompetence, they managed to pull wool over the pollsters either.


33 posted on 11/10/2012 10:23:20 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
This is the reverse of the Nate Silver phenomenon. Silver wanted an Obama win and made predictions that supported what he wanted. Those predictions (it appears) were accurate, but what if he'd wanted a different outcome? What if his model revealed that his candidate was losing? Wouldn't he tinker with his model? Wouldn't he try to keep his favorites candidacy alive?

So it was with the Romney people. They weren't going to say at the outset, "Hey we're going to lose." They'd try to encourage, rather than discourage their supporters. They'd choose polls and models (subconsciously perhaps) that portrayed their candidate in a favorable position. You could argue that they needed a devil's advocate, somebody to scare them into working harder and doing more and taking steps that they may have figured they didn't need to take. But I don't see them as terribly different from other losing presidential campaigns in history. Maybe they were better than most (Mondale, Dukakis, Dole). They weren't good enough to win though.

Last election's viral sensation -- "Romney People Badmouthing Palin" -- came from somebody who worked for a firm that had worked for McCain. It was never clear that those "badmouthers" were really "Romney people" or just longtime McCain loyalists who wanted to blame Palin and let Romney take the blame for their attacks. FWIW I note that Ben Howe has his own media company. No word on who his clients are.

34 posted on 11/10/2012 11:02:52 AM PST by x
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To: Sir Napsalot

It was probably was hacked. Obama didn’t run a better campaign. He stole the campaign by cheating, fraud, lying, smearing and stealing. It’s that simple. Doesn’t matter a hoot what people say unless they tell the truth. I don’t know if Romney threw the campaign or not. He and McCain were not our chosen candidates. McCain most likely threw the election so another conservative, Palin, could take the fall as McCain is no conservative. This was probably done so he could save his a$$ and career.


35 posted on 11/10/2012 2:26:10 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: tanknetter

I agree and agree with you about Obama’s acting role. The simple answer is fraud big time.


36 posted on 11/10/2012 2:28:18 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I wouldn’t blame the staff - blame the candidate - Mittens made poor decisions, allowed Obama to define him early, never hit back and he had no game plan for getting out the vote in a very tight election.

He seemed intent on coasting to the presidency and the arrogance of Republicans and the Romney campaign in their belief in a landslide win was the ultimate form of hubris. People will be asking how they blew this thing. Barack Obama was beatable but he easily beat the weakest candidate in GOP history - a liberal who never much excited the conservative base.

This was the guy GOP elites picked to contest Obama. As a result we are saddled with Obama for another four years. Thank Karl Rove and Ann Coulter for the final result!


37 posted on 11/11/2012 10:46:59 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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