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Plains: Democrat Takes Close N.D. Senate Race--- {(Damn you RNC and splitters!)}
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Posted on 11/10/2012 4:18:55 AM PST by SMGFan

Former North Dakota Attorney General Heidi Heitkamp (D) pulled off a major upset, narrowly defeating Republican Rep. Rick Berg in the race to succeed retiring Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad. North Dakota is one of the most solidly Republican states — President Barack Obama won only 39 percent of the vote there — and Heitkamp beat Berg by a razor-thin margin — 3,000 votes, just 1 point.

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Romney wins ND & MT , GOP wins both states' At Large Open House seats. But we cannot defeat Tester or gain ND?! Conrad won in '86 by 2,120 and no GOP president candidate at the top.

I think it is right to place blame , but on who? I will blame moronic, ticket splitters. And the RNC.

Self destruct in MO, blow it in IND where Romney won as well. Cannot make a good case to voters in WVA . At least we won NV senate.

Reminds me of the 1986 GOP Senate election disasters of 1986! Awful incumbents could not be relected without Reagan. .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1986 So many narrow loses.

Any chance for this fate to those elected 2008 with BHO?

1 posted on 11/10/2012 4:19:01 AM PST by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

We here in Louisiana plan to make a unified and systematic effort to take out Mary Landrieu in 2014.


2 posted on 11/10/2012 4:20:56 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: SMGFan

Heidi will be a sure vote for obama’s carbon tax against big agriculture and his EPA’s stranglehold on the Keystone pipeline and midwest energy fields

well done, NoDaks

May you reap what you chose


3 posted on 11/10/2012 4:25:20 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: abb

I wil send money to help Mary hit the road


4 posted on 11/10/2012 4:26:40 AM PST by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: abb

Hope you nominate someone who can keep his foot out of his mouth and not talk about rape and abortion.


5 posted on 11/10/2012 4:27:50 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: abb

“We here in Louisiana plan to make a unified and systematic effort to take out Mary Landrieu in 2014.”

Amen. The big bonus will be that her advertising wont be able to tell us all that she “saved our jobs.”


6 posted on 11/10/2012 4:30:20 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy; South Dakota

Bill Cassidy from Baton Rouge.

http://www.billcassidy.com/issues


7 posted on 11/10/2012 4:31:21 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Yeah, nominating a moderate pro abort, pro gay marriage Massachusetts governor worked out GREAT for us, eh?

I thought we had to elect Romney because he was the most electable and could help us win downballot races.


8 posted on 11/10/2012 4:39:32 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: SMGFan

Voter fraud in the Senate too. This election steal was very well orchestrated.


9 posted on 11/10/2012 4:40:14 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: SMGFan

Many of these states that always vote Republican for president have preferred liberal Demo senators. Makes no sense but it’s been the case for decades. When Conrad retired I thought the GOP finally gets a chance at another seat in ND but no such luck. Supposedly Heitkamp ran away from 0bama and is pretending to be a moderate, just like Tester did in ‘06. Tester proved himself to be a big lib and he still won again! So voters in those states get what they deserve I guess. Too bad the rest of us have to suffer with them. All things considered I am surprised Flake won in AZ and Sen Heller managed to squeak though.

With a mere 45 seats now it isn’t going to be easy taking a majority in 2014 either.


10 posted on 11/10/2012 4:45:01 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: SMGFan

Without reading the article I suspect the difference is all of the transient oil workers that are living there (I assume they could vote there due to their ‘temporary worker’ status). Bring a union guy in from Michigan to work the drilling site and their natural inclination is to vote Dem since Obama had not cracked down on them yet. Dumba**es . . .


11 posted on 11/10/2012 4:48:20 AM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

McCaskill’s margin in MO was so big I wonder if she might have won even if some other Republican had won the primary. Despite her unpopularity over the health care vote her numbers were low but never that bad. And considering the Demo trend around the country and the big turnout among women concerned over the phony “war on women” issue I think Claire might have been able to win even without Akin. Maybe MO media should have done some polling on that.

Re: Indiana, Mourdock was down in some polls even before his “controversial” comments so I am not convinced he would have won anyway, but he did himself no good. Sour grapes by Sen Lugar’s supporters hurt too.


12 posted on 11/10/2012 4:49:49 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: TNCMAXQ

45 seats , just like after 1986. GOP STILL does not know how to win or keep what they have. I look at 1994 to 2006. Fortunately state legislatures in 2010 saved the House of Reps.
Maybe Dem voter turn out in 2014 will hurt theDems, but they will return in 2016.


13 posted on 11/10/2012 4:51:24 AM PST by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: DarthVader

Yes, likely stolen.


14 posted on 11/10/2012 4:53:23 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Artie

LA is one state where they have a good pick up opportunity. I would give anything to see that obnoxious whiny Soiled Harry Reid relegated to minority leader status.

It’s going to take another 1994 or 2010 style wave though to pick up 6 seats. GOP failures this year will have a domino effect unfortunately. But still, if there is a strong six-year-itch election they should be able to beat Demo senators in some red states like AK, SD, and NC, in addition to LA. Then if old guys like Harkin and Rockefeller were to retire there are opportunities there.


15 posted on 11/10/2012 4:56:03 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: SMGFan

We never win the close ones!


16 posted on 11/10/2012 4:58:45 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: SMGFan

Vote splitting occurs because of internal party intransigence. In other words it’s a fact of life.

For example, Should Chris Christie win the nomination for Republican Candidate for 2016, expect a vote split again.

Stop making pro-choice/pro-life a single issue for candidacy.

Stop categorizing all GOP moderates as RINOS.

The political spectrum rarely takes quantum leaps from Liberal to Conservative, you must pass thru the middle first.


17 posted on 11/10/2012 4:58:59 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: JCBreckenridge
Massachusetts sucks... you can't blame Scott Brown.
18 posted on 11/10/2012 5:00:40 AM PST by pithyinme (Smiling Joe Biden... too dumb to sell used cars ... to lazy to steal them.)
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To: LRoggy

“”Without reading the article I suspect the difference is all of the transient oil workers that are living there (I assume they could vote there due to their ‘temporary worker’ status). Bring a union guy in from Michigan to work the drilling site and their natural inclination is to vote Dem since Obama had not cracked down on them yet. Dumba**es .”””

The farmers in ND always vote for a Dem Senator. They know where the subsidies come from. They are the welfare recipients of the prairie.


19 posted on 11/10/2012 5:06:47 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: JCBreckenridge
No, the media pushed Romney and sabotaged any real conservatives on the ballot.

I think that most evangelicals voted for Romney as the lesser of two evils.

The difference was in vote suppression against Pubbies and manufactured votes for the Dems.

20 posted on 11/10/2012 5:13:15 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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“I think that most evangelicals voted for Romney as the lesser of two evils.”

That didn’t happen until after Wisconsin. Prior to then evangelicals voted for whomever wasn’t Romney.


21 posted on 11/10/2012 5:15:22 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: silverleaf

Only Deb Fischer bucked the Democrat Senate tide. This was no surprise, ND has been voting Democrat for the Senate at least since 1958, with Q. Burdick. And it is seen as overly ambitious for a one-term or even two-term representative to run for the Senate. Better to wait five or six terms before running. ND obviously did not want the pipeline built either, or the people were too uninformed to know that it will never be built under a Democrat Senate and President.

I wonder too if Todd Akin would have lost had he never uttered that misuse of the word “legitimate”? There was a huge Democrat Senate trend Tuesday nighht, as the hapless party dropped two seats overall.


22 posted on 11/10/2012 5:17:46 AM PST by Theodore R. (Once again the American people have been found sorely wanting.)
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To: Usagi_yo

“Stop making pro-choice/pro-life a single issue for candidacy.”

The democrat party is over there ->


23 posted on 11/10/2012 5:17:58 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: TNCMAXQ
I was out in South Dakota for several days in September of 2004 -- in the heat of the 2004 presidential election and Tom Daschle's re-election bid for his U.S. Senate seat. If you saw the billboards along I-90 and listened to the radio ads, you would have sworn that Daschle was a conservative Republican who had endorsed Bush against Kerry. Fortunately for the GOP, it was learned that Daschle had been listing his D.C. home as his primary residence and therefore there was some question about whether he was legally eligible to represent South Dakota in the U.S. Senate. There was never any kind of legal challenge in the works, but his opponent draped that around his neck like an anchor and defeated him.

The thing you have to remember about these Democratic candidates run campaigns in their home states that are very different than the images they present when they're on MSNBC in a "national mode" in a party leadership role.

24 posted on 11/10/2012 5:27:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: SMGFan

Bye Bye ND oil revenues.


25 posted on 11/10/2012 5:33:43 AM PST by rod1 (CTLY)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yeah but they vote with Reid and Pelosi on anything that really matters.


26 posted on 11/10/2012 5:34:46 AM PST by rod1 (CTLY)
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To: LRoggy

Not this time. The Republicans won all state wide offices and have super majorities in both the state house and state senate. Kevin Cramer, the Republican, won with 55% of the vote, the house seat vacated by Berg.

My own opinion the Rats made Berg the issue and poured lot’s of money into the race. Rick Berg was was state rep when I lived in Fargo, My parents and I worked on his campaigns when he first ran. He is a great guy. He worked for investment company and did very well. That company had a property management company that Rick had no connection with, but the Rats found tenants that the property management company had evicted and they blamed Berg.
The Rats followed a typical Alinsky strategy-and they won!


27 posted on 11/10/2012 5:36:29 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: TNCMAXQ
Many of these states that always vote Republican for president have preferred liberal Demo senators. Makes no sense but it’s been the case for decades.

A GOP President doesn't directly bring home the bacon but the Senators and their one Rep do.

I was stationed there for nearly eight years and was disgusted at ND politics. NoDaks pride themselves in getting one of the highest returns in taxes for their money. They get much more in Federal cash than they pay in taxes and they think they are owed that cash.

Their two Senators and one Rep campaign on how they will bring in the dollars. Dems are the best in promising free money..

28 posted on 11/10/2012 5:39:59 AM PST by OldMissileer
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To: Theodore R.

I’m surprised Fischer won as easily as she did when we look at what happened in other states. One poll showed her lead way down too.

You think another GOPer could have won in ND? I had heard Berg was not the strongest guy they could have put up. At least his House seat remained Republican.

I agree about Akin. He might have lost anyway. People were just too stuck on stupid, and all the outrages of the last 4 years seem to have been forgotten, even in red states.


29 posted on 11/10/2012 5:41:48 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: Alberta's Child

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!

Bryon Dorgan, congressman and then senator from North Dakota
did the exact same thing. Some years ago, the son of a friend of mine graduated from West Point. They had a commissioning ceremony near Fargo. Then Congressman Dorgan was invited to speak. What he said would have made almost all FREEPERS pround (except the trolls). He talked about the men and women in uniform and the sacrifices they make.
He waxed eloquent about the military and West Point. That is how he and Conrad did it and got re-elected. Left wing in DC and conservative patriots back in ND


30 posted on 11/10/2012 5:43:39 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: JCBreckenridge

I’m libertarian and I don’t make pro-choice/pro-life the single issue that determines my preferred candidate.


31 posted on 11/10/2012 5:52:17 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

So why are you attacking those that want a candidate that supports what they believe?

If you want a pro-abort - vote Democrat. We already have one pro-abort party. We don’t need two.


32 posted on 11/10/2012 5:55:20 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: rod1
Yeah but they vote with Reid and Pelosi on anything that really matters.

That's the kind of arrogance that gets the GOP spanked in local and state elections. You have no idea what "really matters" to the voters of North Dakota, do you?

I'll give the Republican Party one bit of sage advice here, and I'll do it in the context of my reply to your post:

Turn off CNN, turn off Fox News, and fire the Beltway @ssholes who serve as the leadership for your political party and your national campaigns. Get out on the road and visit America to see what your constituents are all about.

Oh, and one more thing:

Never nominate some dope from east of the Delaware River for a presidential run again. Those places haven't been part of America in decades.

33 posted on 11/10/2012 5:58:45 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: JCBreckenridge

I’m not pro abortion, I’m pro life, but it’s not my single issue in determining candidacy. I’m also male and will never have to nor ever now what it is to to be pregnant.

The point was if you do make it a single issue in determining your candidate, you will split the vote ... just like I said in original post ... it’s inevitable.

Now would you rather have a pro-abortion candidate or a pro-life candidate that realizes there is little they can do at this point other than say they prefer life?

Are you even female where this type of decision is yours to make or just a male on a soapbox you know nothing about?


34 posted on 11/10/2012 6:10:19 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: SMGFan

I will repeat here what I said in another thread:

Berg of ND ran a very poor campaign. His dem opponent, Heidi Heitkamp painted herself independent and as much of a conservative as Berg, even though she was funded by out of state anti oil and anti military interests and is a die hard socialist.

Berg had real stupid advertising. Many of his TV adds had the following statement: “I like Heidi, but - - - “ He basically endorsed her by saying she was likeable. I put this in the same category as that “let’s reach across the isle” bullshit mentality the typical RINO has where every time you reach across the isle to a commie you lose something!

Heitkamp ran fierce attack adds, one of which painted Berg as a rich mean landlord, and he did nothing to defend himself.

Simply put, Berg brought flowers to a gunfight.


35 posted on 11/10/2012 6:11:07 AM PST by redfreedom (The spineless RINO's have made themselves irrelevent and lost the country for us.)
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To: shelterguy

“The farmers in ND always vote for a Dem Senator. They know where the subsidies come from. They are the welfare recipients of the prairie.”

That is a true statement, but is changing with the increase in farm size. The larger the farms, the fewer farmers therefore the fewer votes for subsidies. Additionally the farmer of today is more of a businessman than a poor dirt farmer.

For the longest time ND’s Washington delegation was solid Dem and a Dem governor and I believe the voting trend changed due to ND’s success outside of farming and fewer farmers. Berg’s race was close, if he had not played the RINO nice guy, he might have won.


36 posted on 11/10/2012 6:17:29 AM PST by redfreedom (The spineless RINO's have made themselves irrelevent and lost the country for us.)
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To: Usagi_yo

You don’t get it do you. We were McCain’ed again in 2012 with a RINO. If you can’t call a spade a spade, then you are no conservative and don’t let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out. Limp wristers like you need to switch parties. Glad we just exposed another freaking RINO in our midst.


37 posted on 11/10/2012 6:34:56 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s what I don’t get. Are the local people seeing the local ads too stupid to see the big picture and see say a Debbie Wasserman Schultz on tv or read about her here in the news?


38 posted on 11/10/2012 6:38:05 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Usagi_yo

Yeah right, if only conservatives would quit backing conservatism, then we win!?

You RINOs are nuts.


39 posted on 11/10/2012 6:43:01 AM PST by Varda
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To: Usagi_yo
I’m libertarian and I don’t make pro-choice/pro-life the single issue that determines my preferred candidate.

I knew it, you're no conservative and you're certainly no Ronald Reagan. Bottom line is, caving in on core conservative values is the very moment when you have crossed the line into liberalism.

40 posted on 11/10/2012 6:43:34 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: SMGFan

I will laugh at you ND people when you whine after the EPA shuts down your oil and gas boom. You fools.


41 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:52 AM PST by wny
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To: SMGFan

I will laugh at you ND people when you whine after the EPA shuts down your oil and gas boom. You fools.


42 posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:01 AM PST by wny
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To: SMGFan

I will laugh at you ND people when you whine after the EPA shuts down your oil and gas boom. You fools.


43 posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:01 AM PST by wny
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To: Usagi_yo

It’s not even a question of single issue of something like pro-choice as anyone running as a Republican or conservative better be pro-life, or else they are in the wrong damn party, PERIOD! Grow a set and stand with conviction. Once you start carrying your nuts in a man purse, you have already lost.


44 posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:40 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: wny

What a circular firing squad we’ve got going - the rats are certainly laughing their asses off.

They’re mean as hell, not afraid to do whatever it takes to win, and have perfected cheating. Playing nice just doesn’t work. We should have won due to zero’s record alone.

I can take the 4 more years, gas prices sky high, etc. etc. but I can’t take Obamacare. Many of us will die as a direct result of our system being destroyed. Too bad the takers didn’t figure that one out.


45 posted on 11/10/2012 7:04:54 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: Blue Highway

Yea, and Ronald Reagan did so well in overturning Roe V. Wade. It seems Ronald Reagan was pro-life in spirit and not a single issue politician as you would like. Ditto with GB1 and GB2. Seems like being pro-life in spirit but not expecting to overturning abortion is the party norm.

And you don’t have a monopoly on the definition of conservative. Heck, you’re probably not conservative yourself, but rather a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist being to the GOP what a Liberal is to the DEM — the extreme fringe of the party.

The original post was about splitting the party vote and my original response was about there being no Quantum Politics. To get to one side from the other, you have to cross the middle. You’re quantum politics just doesn’t work.


46 posted on 11/10/2012 7:06:05 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: SMGFan

Don’t know how anyone in ND could vote for a democrat. They’re tempting fate.


47 posted on 11/10/2012 7:07:52 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Blue Highway

Cause that worked out really well for Akin, right? Thinking like that makes us look like frothing lunatics and voters sprint to the other side as fast as they can.
The Akins and Murdochs of this election cycle were a millstone that was hung on Romney’s neck. Like it or not, this is the fact of the matter. And this is not caving. It’s accepting reality. Akin and Murdoch pissed people off with their clumsy worded answers to stupid questions. And they were too stupid to get out of the race after their stupidity. And anyone associated with them is also hung out to dry. You want to start winning races? Stop pissing people off. Simple as that. Don’t get into the abortion debate.


48 posted on 11/10/2012 7:08:51 AM PST by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: Blue Highway

Cause that worked out really well for Akin, right? Thinking like that makes us look like frothing lunatics and voters sprint to the other side as fast as they can.
The Akins and Murdochs of this election cycle were a millstone that was hung on Romney’s neck. Like it or not, this is the fact of the matter. And this is not caving. It’s accepting reality. Akin and Murdoch pissed people off with their clumsy worded answers to stupid questions. And they were too stupid to get out of the race after their stupidity. And anyone associated with them is also hung out to dry. You want to start winning races? Stop pissing people off. Simple as that. Don’t get into the abortion debate.


49 posted on 11/10/2012 7:09:05 AM PST by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: redfreedom

“”””””””That is a true statement, but is changing with the increase in farm size. The larger the farms, the fewer farmers therefore the fewer votes for subsidies. Additionally the farmer of today is more of a businessman than a poor dirt farmer.

For the longest time ND’s Washington delegation was solid Dem and a Dem governor and I believe the voting trend changed due to ND’s success outside of farming and fewer farmers. Berg’s race was close, if he had not played the RINO nice guy, he might have won.””””””””””””

My ancestors are all from up there in the Red River Valley. They vote for a dem senator because that is what they have always done. Add to that Fargo and Bismarck have enough of a worthless, handout loving population now and there you have it.


50 posted on 11/10/2012 7:14:41 AM PST by shelterguy
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