Skip to comments.Stop talking about the Hispanics for a moment — what about Asian-Americans?
Posted on 11/10/2012 12:13:30 AM PST by JerseyanExile
Apart from some fatuous self-congratulation from Asian-American liberals, there has been very little discussion of the 73-26 Asian-American margin of support for President Obama in last Tuesdays election. Thats slightly smaller than the highest estimate of Latino support for Obama, at 75-23. Asian-Americans are a small minority now but their numbers are growing rapidly.
Most conservatives consider Asian-Americans poster-children for the American model of self-motivated success. The facts bear this out. The Pew Research Center reported last July:
Asian Americans are the highest-income, best-educated and fastest-growing racial group in the United States. They are more satisfied than the general public with their lives, finances and the direction of the country, and they place more value than other Americans do on marriage, parenthood, hard work and career success
Asians recently passed Hispanics as the largest group of new immigrants to the United States. The educational credentials of these recent arrivals are striking. More than six-in-ten (61%) adults ages 25 to 64 who have come from Asia in recent years have at least a bachelors degree. This is double the share among recent non-Asian arrivals, and almost surely makes the recent Asian arrivals the most highly educated cohort of immigrants in U.S. history.
Compared with the educational attainment of the population in their country of origin, recent Asian immigrants also stand out as a select group. For example, about 27% of adults ages 25 to 64 in South Korea and 25% in Japan have a bachelors degree or more.2In contrast, nearly 70% of comparably aged recent immigrants from these two countries have at least a bachelors degree.
Asian-American kids occupy nearly three-quarters of the places at New York Citys exam-based high schools (including Bronx Science and Stuyvesant) although they comprise less than 12% of the student population. The main threat to the upward striving of working-class immigrant kids who study hard to get into top schools is the NAACP. The New York Times reported Oct. 15:
NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund and other groups filed a racial bias complaint with the United States Education Department. They charge that reliance on a single test for determining who gets into Bronx Science and seven other specialized high schools discriminates against young African-Americans and Latinos. Other factors, like student grades, need to be considered as well, they say.
Asians also stand out for their strong emphasis on family, the Pew study reported. More than half (54%) say that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things in life; just 34% of all American adults agree. Two-thirds of Asian-American adults (67%) say that being a good parent is one of the most important things in life; just 50% of all adults agree.
If the Republican Party cant win the support of the immigrant group with the strongest family values and the most success in achieving the American dream, what can it say to the Hispanics, the immigrant group with the least success in achieving the American dream?
I do not mean to be glib. The issue requires study. But I will venture a guess: Asian-Americans, like any other immigrant group, come here with the hope of bringing family members with them. Tough enforcement of immigration laws makes life as hard for them as it does for any other immigrant group, and frustrates their hope of reuniting families in America. The result of our present immigration laws is that we fail to keep out the illegals we dont want, and make it harder to absorb the skilled and energetic immigrants we do want. There will be endless discussion during the next few months of Romneys mistake in moving to the right of Rick Perry on immigration during the Republican primaries, and I will leave the detailed parsing to the professionals. I hope the professionals talk to Asian-Americans first.
America is unlikely to tolerate ethnic quotas (Asians in, Hispanics out). There are plenty of bright Hispanics as well (with 25% unemployment in Spain, German firms are recruiting Spanish engineers to fill the 30,000 job openings for engineers in Germany). But there is a sensible way to encourage the kind of immigration that boosts economic growth and discourage the kind of immigration that impedes economic growth.
The distinguished Canadian economist Prof. Reuven Brenner of McGill University wrote two years ago in First Things magazine:
Without innovation, America faces prolonged stagnation. The outlook seems bleak. Between 1988 and 1998, manufacturing productive growth rose from less than 2 percent to more than 5 percent per annum. By 2008, it had fallen back to the 2 percent range as the great wave of innovation abated. This outcome is not inevitable, however. America has been obtaining a disproportionate flow of skilled innovators by attracting these vital few to its shores. Without their contribution, America may neither sustain the economic growth required to absorb the penurious many nor raise their standards of living. The impact of the vital few does trickle down
The problem lies in policy. American sentiment toward immigrants has swung from boomtown hospitality to churlish xenophobia in the course of the present recession
It is hard to blame opponents of immigration. Earlier this year, the Pew Hispanic Center reported that Californias estimated 2.7 million illegal residents7 percent of the states populationadd $4 billion to $6 billion in costs. Cutting off state payments for the American-born children of immigrants supposedly would save about $640 million a year. By similar estimates, Arizonas illegal immigrant population is costing the states taxpayers about $1.3 billion per year. Whether these estimates are exact or only in the ballpark, it is clear that poor migrants drain state finances under the present institutional and regulatory landscape, and the drain is substantial.
The least the United States can do is try, explicitly, to attract the vital few to its shores and, at the same time, speed up the domestic production of talent.
Congress should first increase visas for skilled immigrantsthose who would invest in their own entrepreneurial ventures in the United States in particular. Congress also should facilitate a temporary worker program, but without instantaneously bestowing on those workers the many monetary government benefits for which Americas already taxpaying citizens are eligible. For immigrants in the United States who do not have proper documentation but who have built up equity in this country, opportunities should be provided to obtain legalization if they can demonstrate good moral character. Such an earned legalization should be achievable and verifiable in an accountable manner.
As Prof. Brenner observes, immigrants have made a disproportionate contribution to American economic growth in recent years. At the height of the last tech boom in 1999, Chinese and Indian engineers were at the helm of 24 percent of the technology companies started in Silicon Valley, he writes, adding:
In 25.3 percent of [high-tech and engineering] companies, at least one key founder was foreign-born.
Of all immigrant-founded companies, 26 percent had Indian founders; 7 percent had founders of British and Chinese origin; 6 percent had founders from Taiwan; Japanese and German founders each led 5 percent; 4 percent had founders from Israel; 3 percent had founders from Canada; and 2.5 percent had founders from Iran.
In Massachusetts the single largest founding group was Israelis, at 17 percent.
Indian entrepreneurs dominated in New Jersey, leading 47 percent of all immigrant-founded start-ups.
Immigrants also represented 24.2 percent of international patent applications filed from the United States in 2006. Chinese filed the largest number of patents, followed by Indians, Canadians, and British.
If we Republicans cant persuade our most successful, entrepreneurial, family-oriented citizens to support us, we wont be in business much longer.
What about not pandering to any pressure groups?
The term “Asian” describes people from vastly different backgrounds. I think that each needs to be considered uniquely.
There must be close to a billion people world-wide who want to emigrate to the U.S.A. We cannot take them all, period.
As to why Asians, as a group, tend to vote for the Democratic Party, I believe it has to do with where they settle within the U.S.
I was shocked to learn that this voting block votes liberal, because as a whole, they are very hard working individuals. It doesn’t make sense unless it is where they live and settle.
I went to a Young Republican meeting once, taken by a guy that I had helped become a minor player locally, (he could speak in public, and I used to know a lot about politics and talking points and current events and such), this was during an important, earth-shaking period, where we were all in the trenches (1995/1996? or so?), anyway, every guy there of the 30 or so (intimate conference table), were white and male, the only non-white was columnist Joseph Perkins who was to speak to us.
I was stunned, amazed. I asked the guys where their wives and girlfriends were, and they said it was a male group only, it was insane at that time of both republican ascendancy, yet of losing ground demographically,
I asked them if they had black and Hispanic buddies at work, if so, then where the hell are they? (I used to be passionate about government and politics) and they mumbled and seemed a little confused, they were shallow, protected, idiots.
Me and Perkins ended up afterwards basically shaking our heads at how maddeningly bloodless and rigid (clueless) the men there were, although they were all relativity young.
I’ve never been a republican, and I can tell you that some of the cliches apply to them, many of them live in little worlds of limited contact with the wider America, and Romney was the ultimate version of that, he was almost straight from that Jason Robards underworld of “A Boy and His Dog”.
‘Asian-Americans’ include immigrants from India
and muslim countries. We used to say ‘Oriental’
to indicate Japanese and Chinese.
To be PC-compliant, and to pull wool
over American eyes, we now include the above,
along with India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc.
I don’t know if we can break it out further than that.
Of COURSE muslims voted for Barry.
I can only give you anecdotal information, but will do so anyway. ;o)
When I moved to Oregon 20 years ago, the predominate minority was Asian. In the last 10 years, or so, they’ve been totally blown away, as far as minorities go, by the, mostly, illegal population.
I don’t know the numbers, but do know that Hispanics are socially conservative. But, they love the nanny giveaway state muy mucho. They look at the government as a source of wealth, and do what they can to score, on that point.
They love Obamacare, food stamps, welfare...you name it.
IOW, they absolutely are NOT a natural constituency for the right.
Asians...I just don’t get why they would vote for Obama. Most of them are highly motivated, and skilled workers. They don’t need, or want, handouts.
I just don’t understand their line of reasoning, especially since they aren’t treated well by minority standards.
“That is to say, assuming that they did assimilate well into the local population, the result would be their being considerably to the left of the general American populace irregardless of other factors.”
That was a very good, and insightful, sentence.
Amen to that!
my observations as an asian on asians.
an indoctrination that equates education with job creation. a belief that failure is catastrophic, therefore you work to avoid failure. (thus the asian work ethic is thus very different from our ethic which is to produce value or wealth). a feeling of resentment and entitlement when they find out that knowledge is not wealth.
thus wealth == knowledge to many asians. success is to get payed for displaying your acquired knowledge. but we conservatives know that knowledge is not wealth, (wealth is created by knowledge applied to fill a market need.
IMO, these tendencies and attitudes create a dependency and love of authority (licensing boards, regs, etc that limit lay competition and create value for knowledge).
I know many of these people. Many do not see themselves as permanent residents of the United States. Their parents (and in many cases children and spouses) are in the mother country. The money they make each week they keep just enough to survive another week and the rest is wired back home to support the family and into savings. Once the work dries up here they are gone.
Of course there are some with children who came not really planning on staying but entitlements are such that they really don't want to go back now. These people are going to work and try to make money but also try to get as many entitlements from the government that they can.
Accepting these people HURTS the Mexicans much more than helps. The Mexican government's economic plan is basically "go to the US, work and make money and send it home". That's the economic plan they have created for their people. The easy way out. Who suffers? The Mexicans who stayed home. The Mexican children who are without one and sometimes both parents (because the parents are in the US working. Then you have the illegals themselves. Being paid pennies that the American gets paid a lot more for. LEGALIZED SLAVERY. That's what it is. A form of slavery.
We cannot be part of Mexico's economic recovery plan. It's unfair to the Mexican people and unfair to the American people.
There's another group it's unfair to. The would be immigrants in Vietnam, Venezuela and many other nations who stand in line at the US Embassy in their own country. Many of them have stood in line for several years. The bar has been raised on them BECAUSE of those illegals here.
I do not support illegal immigration because it's unfair to too many people. And I have not even touched on how it can drive down the wages in this country. And it has already and will continue to do so.
That's my rant for the night.
Side note: There's a movie out there called "Under The Same Moon". It's about a little Mexican boy who lives alone with his grandmother. Once a week he runs to the pay phone and stands and waits for his mother to call. She's in the US working. Although the message appears to cater to the amnesty/open borders crowd I watched it from another perspective and even though it was unintentional I could see a message that goes along with what many of us believe. FAMILY first. What good is money if you have to break a family up to make it.
I was shocked to learn that this voting block votes liberal, because as a whole, they are very hard working individuals. It doesnt make sense unless it is where they live and settle.
Could it be that they vote liberal because they know that they are succeeding much more so than blacks and hispanics in acedemics, business, etc., and WANT to keep the others at the bottom of the pile (which is what liberal politics does)?
If you hate conservatives so much why don’t you leave FR. We don’t need your negative attitude.
Romney ran a Johnny One Note Campaign. Used a poison dart blow gun when he should have used a cannon loaded with grape shot because he had pleanty of stuff he could fill that cannon barrel with..
They failed to hammer away on what will happen when Obama gets returned; The Obama 2013/14 Tax Increases. The impact of Obamas energy policies..(a socialist construct never branded as such) and a bread and butter issue which reaches every into every demographics pocketbook...The impact of Supreme Court (snip)
Point being as far as I’m concerned in politics demographics aint good politics but bringing up B&B issues
reaches every “demographic”.
Gosh, did you recognize yourself in that little anecdote?
Interesting. Spot on ...
I belong to the American white male minority, and we are getting shat upon daily.
“Ive never been a republican, and I can tell you that some of the cliches apply to them, “
So thats why you were constantly attacking the Republican candidate.
The GOP hasn’t had any better luck with Jews, either—and they have by far the most similar demographic profile to Asians. Much in common with Unitarians, too, and there aren’t too many Republicans there either.
We’ve got to get over the idea that if people care about their families that the are automatic Republican votes—as if Democrats don’t care about theirs as well.
LOL, you Romney devotees want to keep his liberal political agenda alive, even after he is no longer running.
I’m glad that this isn’t a republican site.
OK,we lost the election. Conservative Republicans and Independents should not alter their ideals to please the opposition. In two years the unemployment rates will be much higher and the the economy will be in worse shape ala
Greece and Turkey. Hopefully the elecorate pendulum will swing back to the right.
According to a recent Pew poll a majority of Hispanics support gay marriage. By this election’s exit polling, they support abortion at a greater level than voters generally. And a majority of Hispanic children are born to unwed mothers.
Just how are they ‘socially conservative’?
Its not an Obama site either, and yet you keep supporting him.
For example ... In my experience I have come across very few Asian immigrants who are "independent-minded" in the way we would use this term to describe Americans. Their best and brightest usually find themselves into large bureaucratic organizations where success is manifested behind the scenes. Think of a top doctor in a major medical center, or a top scientist at a major U.S. university research center.
Secondly (and related to the previous point), I think most Asians are fully comfortable with the idea of a powerful, paternalistic government. In fact, they have expectations for it. Just take a look at some photos of those well-manicured, uniformed transit workers who cram passengers into subway trains in Tokyo during rush hour every day. That kind of denigrating passivity is completely alien even to fourth-generation welfare queens in the U.S.
Lastly, I've been completely shocked by just how ignorant Asians are about how the U.S. works ... not just the political issues of the day, but how the political system works. A perfect illustration of this was a conversation I had with a successful middle-aged guy whose parents were immigrants from Asia. It was during an election campaign (2000, I think) and he was disappointed because he couldn't vote for "his candidate." I pried a bit, and learned that "his candidate" was George W. Bush. I assumed he meant that he wasn't registered to vote, but when I asked about it, it turns out I was wrong.
"Oh, I'm registered to vote," he said, "but I can't vote for him because I'm registered as a Democrat."
I couldn't believe how simplistic and downright ignorant this guy was. And he was a successful business owner, too.
I finally explained the whole thing to him and told him he could vote for any candidate on the ballot, but I did have one request for him: "Please call all your friends and family members and tell them to stay home on Election Day, dude."
Asians are highly educated and hardworking but they are also playing to win and the government is winning them with either direct employment or contracted work with government. A clear example: Healthcare reform is designed to get more armies of consultants and government contracting people to form and lead “Accountable Care Organizations.” Democrats all.
Even though they are highly educated and paid, a lot of Asians don’t make it into management (upper or otherwise) because of their English/social skills. So, they end up working for white people who they may consider to be inferior in terms of technical skill. I think this grates on many of them, even (as is noted) they do much better than the average white.
I think you are on to something there (my wife is Chinese).
Even they get the Affirmative Action jobs, good jobs in Govt and engineering.
You are the one who said you were never a republican.
With my connections to the university and family who are Japanese, I want to offer this. At the university, there are several East Indian’s and they vote democrat and with Asian’s (oriental) at least within my family, they don’t involve themselves in the political process too much which is a shame. If the GOP is going to win the W.H. we need to win states like CA, OR and WA but also states in the Northeast. With CA, we may not have much chance with the Hispanics but the Asian’s can be our ticket. Personally, I have a lot of respect for the Asian’s for their smarts, drive and their hard/smart work.
One way to appeal to them would be
- GOP support for families and their success
- support their success in business and how we can help them succeed since the democrats like to punish business
- show how the democrats don’t favor them or their family’s well being in terms on how they want to penalize business
- with the East Indian’s, don’t know much about their culture but we need to do in some way to appeal to them and get them to vote GOP.
Bottom line, we need to find ways to start winning the NE and West Coast states. One way is take it from Tip O’Neil - all politics are local and how the democrats were able to at one time win the South even though they were very liberal. Get GOP folks into local offices in the various towns, counties plus it offers name recognition as well.
Wait until China craters, they have started sending their money out of country now. Their kids are coming over here for school; many are staying. The 73% that voted for Obama are the ones here earlier like Hawaii.
What about whites? Oh, that’s right. They just don’t matter anymore.
Import more Filipinos. They are the best and hardest working people I’ve ever known. They are reliably republican voters all in all.
As for other Asians, I agree with you that where they live is a big factor. Here in Hawaii the Japanese/Chinese run the democrat government. I go into DOE - Dept of Education - offices and it is 80% Japanese/Chinese. Likewise just about everywhere else.
Racial politics, esp in Hawaii is fascinating. The Japanese and Chinese hold the other races down including us haoles. Filipinos and Hawaiians are at the bottom rung of the ladder.
The difference is that Filipinos work hard to strive and see the republican party as their only way up. Hawaiians mostly depend on Santa Claus.
P.S. Michelle Malkin is Filipino.
Has anyone heard of any strong conservative voice that is either Japanese or Chinese ?
Thus proves my point from the previous post.
That, also, is puzzling to me.
That is correct, I am a lifelong Independent that has worked on many republican campaigns, even as many as three at a time, and mixing paid and unpaid work, all to advance conservatism.
I don’t belong to any Republican internet sites, do you?
Where I live recently arrived (within the past 20 years) 'asians', or whatever specific ethnicity makes up asians, usually have at least one family member on public assistance, usually granny or grandaddy. The cost of the old folks far exceeds the cost in addn'l taxes Jr and his wife would pay to support them.
It should be no mystery anymore - people vote for whomever puts the most $$$ in their pocket.
What a novel idea!
You’re right, I’d forgotten about that—very common to bring elderly parents over and get government payments, healthcare, etc. for them.
I interact with Asian-Americans very frequently...
Many Asian-Americans receive public assistance...Many senior citizens, who immigrated legally from Asia, get Supplemental Security Assistance. They didn’t put in any money in Social Security because they didn’t work in US. But, they still get SSA. Those senior citizens know that Democrats are for more government benefits.
Black voters had a “special connection” to Obama because of his skin color. I think many Asian-Americans also felt a special connection to Obama...He is a member of a minority group. Thus, he will look out for other minorities like Asians as well...Many Asian-Americans believe that racism still is a big problem in America.
Many Asian language media outlets in US are liberal...They have no hesitation in promoting liberal agenda. They portray opposition to amnesty and Dream Act as anti-immigrant...Most of the time, they do not attempt to explain how illegal immigration is harmful. Don’t be surprised if many Asian-American voters, who are exposed to the liberal coverage of the Asian language media, support Democrats...
Have you ever heard of Asian-American Studies? It is same as Chicano Studies and African-American Studies. In an Asian-American Studies class, you would learn about the mistreatment of Asian immigrants by white people. Many Asian-Americans take that course in college.
Multiculturalism in education made many minorities resentful of whites. Many of them are attracted to Democratic Party which promises special programs for minorities. Multiculturalism has influenced many Asian-Americans as well, unfortunately.
Affirmative action in college admission hurt Asian-American applicants. However, many Asian-American “activists” are uncomfortable with calling for eliminating race as a factor in college admission. They want to maintain solidarity with Latino and black activists who like affirmative action in college admission.
I think GOP could get more Asian-American votes in places like CA...After all, there have been GOP Asian-American elected officials in CA. How to deal with illegal immigrants is a big issue. There are illegal immigrants from Asia after all.
Things have changed, a) the democrats have succeeded in co-opting a large majority of their population with their 'free stuff' & victimology agendas, and b) todays asian immigrants aren't coming from places where there are cultural prohibitions against taking handouts, they're coming from regions where one is considered a fool if they do not grab all they can carry.
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