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Electrical Accident May Disable Washington State Ferry For Two Years
KING 5 News ^ | 09 November 2012 | Susannah Frame

Posted on 11/09/2012 6:51:48 PM PST by zeestephen

If a new engine "commutator" has to be built by General Electric, the Walla Walla could be out of service for up to two years. An electrical surge caused huge chunks of steel and copper to melt, as well as holes to be blasted through the six foot diameter engine part.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


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To: zeestephen
Here's the link for 15 close up photos - http://www.king5.com/news/investigators/New-photos-show-extensive-damage-to-MV-Walla-Walla-177937191.html
21 posted on 11/09/2012 7:59:18 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Drango

We also when we lived in Bremerton and rode to work in Seattle on it a few times.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:04 PM PST by RetiredArmy (November 6, 2012: The day the United States Republic DIED.)
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To: zeestephen

Looks like Todd Shipyard is going to be breaking out their check book.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:53 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Steely Tom

24 posted on 11/09/2012 8:05:11 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The same Washington State that voted for same sex marriage-gee, what a surprise.

Well, at least the ferry is on the same side of the state as the liberals who voted that abomination in. On my side of the state, conservative side, in my county I think the vote was 6 to 1 against the depravity.

25 posted on 11/09/2012 8:05:17 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Clay Moore

I am using this place to ask the Wa. Freepers if they know of a condo for rent or sale in the Lynnwood or Edmonds area. We moved here from Denver in April and cant get settled. We are at Taluswood apts. Too small. All our immediate neighbors have moved because they raised the rent. We are seniors. To get into a senior apt you have to be rich or below $$ limit to get gov. assistance. We are in between.
I havent ridden the walla walla yet but we are sure enjoying this great state. Thanks


26 posted on 11/09/2012 8:07:46 PM PST by LookingUp
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To: garjog

You’re pretty ignorant of our ferry system for a Washingtonian. Go on the ferry website and check the ages of the vessels. Three were built in the late 50’s. four in the 60’s and all the rest are newer, right up to last year. Of course, you probably don’t use them much, rather, depending on the rest of us to pay for your floating bridges across the lake.

Yeah, I’m pissed. I’m pissed at everybody this week!


27 posted on 11/09/2012 8:07:54 PM PST by beelzepug ("0bama is a feckless crapweasel")
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To: Clay Moore
I have never worked with motors anywhere near that size bit did get to see the results years ago of what happens when you bring a hydroelectric generator online extremely out of phase with the grid.

Buddy of mine bought a new truck with some of the overtime he got.

I too had a friend who worked on small hydro stations. He told me about being inside the mechanical housing of a 2MW axial-flow machine when the generator went out of sync due to a problem with the PLC programming for the inlet guide vane actuator. He said the vibrations were severe.

28 posted on 11/09/2012 8:08:36 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I confess.

I’m a book worm, not a grease monkey.

I actually do know the difference between a motor and an engine.

Never heard of a commutator before, so I thought maybe others were in the same boat, uh, ferry.

I was thinking “engine room” would help people locate the story in their mind’s eye.

Bad decision.

Cool story, though.

I’m excited to see so many people are interested.


29 posted on 11/09/2012 8:09:37 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: steve86

Ferries, man, ferries! Not fairies! They’re very different.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 8:14:51 PM PST by beelzepug ("Why bother creating wealth when you can just redistribute it?")
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To: steve86
As I recall, in 2008 or 2010 we voted to privatize the ferries.

I think the initiative lost by 2-1.

I guess people figured the massive fare subsidies would end.

Off the top of my head, I recall that every person who rides the Sounder Train is subsidized $29.

Good luck privatizing that, too.

31 posted on 11/09/2012 8:16:31 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: beelzepug

“Go on the ferry website and check the ages of the vessels. Three were built in the late 50’s. four in the 60’s”

When I said that they were 70 years old I was using ironic exaggeration.

If our state had rational leaders instead of idiot Demo-slimes the system would have been privatized long ago.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 8:18:19 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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To: Steely Tom
that seems a bit old fashioned

Yeah, I'll say.

Is there no such thing as a brushless (i.e. electronically commutated) motor at this scale? This is basically diesel-electric we're talking about? I Imagine the electronic controller would cost huge $$$ but would be far more efficient in the long run.

33 posted on 11/09/2012 8:20:18 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: zeestephen

I’ve ridden both the Walla Walla and the Sounder Train (on rare trips to Puget Sound) and certainly enjoyed them as a tourist. And I do thank the good citizens of Western Washington for subsidizing my trips!


34 posted on 11/09/2012 8:23:58 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Steely Tom

Where did you find pictures? I was hoping for photos, but the linked article had none...


35 posted on 11/09/2012 8:28:59 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: zeestephen

Sounds like a product defect.


36 posted on 11/09/2012 8:29:55 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: steve86
Is there no such thing as a brushless (i.e. electronically commutated) motor at this scale? This is basically diesel-electric we're talking about? I Imagine the electronic controller would cost huge $$$ but would be far more efficient in the long run.

Right. But (a) these vessels are government-owned and -operated, so there's no competitive pressure, and (b) they need a lot of reliability on these engines.

One of the YouTube videos of the MV Walla Walla shows that they use the forward-facing engines for breaking in the last few seconds before the vessel docks. They need those motors to spin up or reverse direction in just a few seconds, and it's a life-and-death thing. Maybe they feel that sticking with technology that's ancient but foolproof is a better way to go.

It sounds like these motors are like the motors that are used in elevator drives, only scaled way up. Motors of that type have to be able to deliver very stable operation down to fractions of an RPM, deliver high torque at low RPM, and be very very reliable. I've noticed that elevator motors have large commutators (large compared with the rotor diameter) like the motors on the MV Walla Walla.

37 posted on 11/09/2012 8:30:57 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: zeestephen

Sheesh...nothing a little WD40 and a chisel can’t fix.


38 posted on 11/09/2012 8:31:52 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Steely Tom
Steely,

Saw your screen tag...

“If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.”

Montana just voted a state Amendment that says a corporation is not a person, therefore it has no Constitutional rights.

I believe their intention is to challenge campaign finance laws in the Supreme Court.

It seems like that creates some alarming issues.

For instance, if a corporation has no rights, why can't the state of Montana seize a Walmart store and distribute all the merchandise to the poor?

39 posted on 11/09/2012 8:36:10 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: LookingUp

“ask the Wa. Freepers if they know of a condo for rent or sale”

Check out Kirkland. It is a great little city to retire. You can walk to everything.

Maybe pricy, so check out Juanita on the lake. Beautify and also walkable.

Down town Bellevue has a lot of new condo and apartment buildings going on. Also, walkable.

Now if you want to get away from liberals, I suggest moving to Wenatchee. This is a retirement haven. Everything is close and the prices are lower. People are really nice and it is conservative. My mom moved there and she loves it. Everything is so close and she has everything that she needs.


40 posted on 11/09/2012 8:36:43 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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