Posted on 11/09/2012 1:11:18 PM PST by tflabo
Obama is just the beginning of the penalty of that curse, more to come.
Those who traded liberty for "security" and soon "tyranny!"
Matthew 24:9 – “Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.” Rev. 20:8
Yes - “they” shall deliver you, “they” shall kill you, and “you” shall be hated”, for your sins have cursed you
there are no words there that G-d curses either “they” or “you”
Like I said. If you don’t believe what was prophesied in the Old Testament or if you believe God goes back on His word there is no sense in us even discussing this.
I do not dispute that some things a cursed and as I said, it is usually the sin of the sinner that curses the sinner, not G-d and I asked you to provide a New Testament text that does not just refer to something that is cursed, ignoring that it does not take a direct curse from G-d for that, but says "G-d cursed/curses"; amd don't confuse & divert the subject from "G-d cursed/curses" to prophecy
God cursed the nations that come against Isreal in prophecy which is being lived out today. If you don’t understand or believe what prophecy says I can’t help you much.
So, are you saying the God of the Old Testament is different from the One of the New Testament?
G-d-Yeshua is the fulfillment of “old testament” prophecy and G-d-Yeshua did not curse anyone, not even the sinner, and said the sinner was cursed/condemned by their own sin.
Yes, but G-d-Yeshua has always been (John 1:1) and, in fact, is G-d (John 10:30).
And, it is G-d who instituted the law, which defines sin.
And, it is G-d (with G-d-Yeshua obviously present) who said "I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." - Genesis 12:3, a promise that is still valid today.
And, as long as we're playing legalistic semantics, I don't think G-d-Yeshua ever blessed anyone, or said anyone was blessed, although He and the Father obviously do.
So, what does Matthew 5 say?
You are just parsing words - kind of like "What is the meaning of 'is'"? If your religion is based on that, I wish you well.
However, to play your game, (you assert that the NT never says “G-d cursed.....”), Matthew 5 doesn't say “G-d blessed.....”. Therefore, to use your logic, it must mean that G-d does not bless. But, we know (at least I do) from the His entire Word that YHWH does indeed bless people, and He curses them.
And, you choose to major on the minors - you haven't addressed my more important points:
- G-d-Yeshua has always been (John 1:1) and, in fact, is G-d (John 10:30).
- And, it is G-d who instituted the law, which defines sin.
- And, it is G-d (with G-d-Yeshua obviously present) who said "I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." - Genesis 12:3, a promise that is still valid today.
Finally, although the following verses do not specifically use the word "curse", they certainly convey a similar message:
- "... I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place ..." - Rev 2:5
- "... I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation ..." - Rev 2:22
- "... I will strike her children dead. ... I will give to each of you according to your works." - Rev 2:23
- "... I will spit you out of my mouth." - Rev 3:16
There are others, just like there are many in the OT and NT that convey the message of God's love, mercy, and grace. I urge you to embrace the whole counsel of God and His Word.
I keep it bookmarked. It has all the punishments of a faithless nation listed. In order..............
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