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HOW FAR ARE WE WILLING TO GO? I SAY, LETS JUMP OFF THE CLIFF!
Cooking With Chef Carlo ^ | Carlo3b, Dad, Chef, Author

Posted on 11/09/2012 9:20:27 AM PST by carlo3b

JUST HOW FAR ARE WE WILLING TO GO?

I SAY, LETS JUMP OFF THE CLIFF!

I know, I remember what our Mothers told us about, If your idiot friend jumped off the Cliff, would you follow? As it turned out she was mostly right, but not always, not NOW, not this time.. I'm suggesting that our Mothers are sometimes just flat out wrong.. Most women, Not your Mother of course, but at least 56% of women elected Obama, twice, so they aren't always right..

This is the real truth telling moment in our Nation's present and future.. We were handed our collective ASS in this debacle of an election.. The Liberals put it all on the line to get this man back into the White House to finish what he started, and what the Liberals/Communists started almost a century ago..

THE REAL PROBLEM!

We are weakened because we didn't stop the thief of this process when we allowed all of those cute sounding seemingly innocuous rule changing election laws, Motor Voter, Absentee Voting, Early Voting, and Extending Hours..

We spread out the security protection and limited the oversight of the one thing that insures that this great nation is a Nation of Laws, dictated by WE The People, and placed the Elected Representative form of governance in the hands of corruptible politicians and influential unelected bureaucrats..

We lost because we follow the laws, and they don't..

We are at the mercy of the will of the people.. We believe that TRUTH will out.. That our ideas are sound and that most people will recognize what will hurt them, and that they will stop policies that are wrong will become obvious, and that those expounding wrongheaded laws will be shunned in the next election..

That dog no longer hunts.. Much of what is wrong with this country is it's people! I could spend the next ten days giving examples of why the people do what they do, but you are as aware of those problems as I am.. Education, Immigration, Entitlements, yada, yada, yada..

THE SOLUTION IS HERE NOW!

I am a problem solver, not a brainiac, or a prognosticator, or even smart.. I live in a real world, and started businesses that succeeded, lots of them.. When I decided years ago, whether I should go to college, I checked my reality, and recognized that I was poor, so I started out as an Entrepreneur..

I like most of you look at life and respond with the cards that we are dealt.. First lesson is that when you see that something being done is wrong, STOP IT! When someone is Bleeding, STOP THE BLEEDING, Fast..

Almost all of our problems in this country is from spending.. We allowed the spending to get way out of control, and we put into law, spending that has become so endemic that we are at a lose to stop it.. NOT TRUE!

If we STOP THE MONEY, it all has to stop, right? That too is NOT TRUE! We have all learned to borrow, and most of us also learned that it can, and often gets out of control..

THE FISCAL CLIFF IS THE TOURNIQUET OF GOVERNMENT!

All of the elements of what is wrong with the Government is coming together at the same time.. YES, THAT IS TRUE! It stops the flow of money at once.. It also stops the borrowing if the congress has not given it the authority to raise the DEBT LIMIT! BINGO, everything has to change if that happens.. Government has to trim, drastically reduce spending, eliminate programs, or SHUT DOWN!

We all agree that the politicians, Forget about US, will not allow their jobs to stop paying THEM! But we also know that few if any will put their own career on the line for something so noble as saving our Country.. But we just learned a lesson, that we will never win another election now that the Liberals have all of the strings in place to steal every election in the future..

We do not have any other power but to stop something from happening, not move any legislation that will encumber the left from their power.. If we can convince our fat cat politicians that in 2 short years that we will kick their asses out of the cushy seats they might, just might, decide to take the gamble and SHUT IT DOWN, if only to save their own butt..

What if they shut it all down, it's a stretch, but what if? The Markets will tank, for a shot time only.. Banks will threaten to shut down under the RUN ON THE BANK theory.. Hundreds of thousands of government employees are going to start getting pink slips, and foreign markets begin to crumble their own weight, without us to prop them up.. Your own paychecks may be in jeopardy..

HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK..?????


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If we attempt to do this, and don't succeed, we will look like a paper tiger.. Personally, I am willing to do it.. But I am old, and have only a few short years to live it down.. LOL
1 posted on 11/09/2012 9:20:31 AM PST by carlo3b
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To: carlo3b; Lazamataz
Same here FRiend. I'm in or over. AHHHHH!!! May as well. Give ‘em what they want. I may get to keep my guns for a little while. AHHHHH!
2 posted on 11/09/2012 9:25:33 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: carlo3b
I am really not 100% sure what you want to do?

I see the reasons, but not the actual plan.  Or am I missing something?

3 posted on 11/09/2012 9:25:58 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: carlo3b

It’s the courageous thing to do. The system will crash, but it is the least we can do for those that shed their blood for freedom.


4 posted on 11/09/2012 9:26:42 AM PST by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: carlo3b

When rats take over your house, burn down the house and build another.


5 posted on 11/09/2012 9:26:50 AM PST by Lexington Green (Burn down the house.)
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To: carlo3b

I’m out of debt aside from my house and don’t pine for many material things. I’d be fine with it just tanking. I’m already anticipating layoffs in my company. I just started here, so I’d be low-hanging fruit for them.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 9:27:15 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: carlo3b

Another Great Depression does not sound too good. Such circumstances have historically strengthened the radical, political left; it is the last thing we need to have happen.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 9:28:03 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Jim Robinson; Bob J; christie; stanz; jellybean; Angelique; Howie; TwoStep; piasa; Exit148; ...

This is not as easy as I make it sound, but with a good game plan, it can be done.. Remember we have the TEA PARTY!

BTW.. keep this under your hat.. Loose lips and all that.. shuuuuush.. :)


8 posted on 11/09/2012 9:28:25 AM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: Jim Robinson; Bob J; christie; stanz; jellybean; Angelique; Howie; TwoStep; piasa; Exit148; ...

This is not as easy as I make it sound, but with a good game plan, it can be done.. Remember we have the TEA PARTY!

BTW.. keep this under your hat.. Loose lips and all that.. shuuuuush.. :)


9 posted on 11/09/2012 9:29:06 AM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: carlo3b

Part of any prepper type activities for this should be to use your newly accquired EBT and SNAP cards to buy food that is storable...

Can the Food Insurance site take EBT cards?

You can buy all sorts of canned and dried food with EBT, you can buy Jerky with it... ect.....

WHY SHOULD PREPPERS SPEND THEIR OWN DAMNED ALREADY TAXED MONEY TO PREPARE FOR THE COLLAPSE THAT IS INEVITABLE????

WE SHOULD BE THE ANT THAT ROARED AND USE THEIR TOOLS AGAINST THEM AND USE THOSE TOOLS THEY GIVE US TO PREPARE FOR THE COLLAPSE THAT THOSE VERY TOOLS WILL EVENTUALLY CREATE.

The Grasshoppers will use their EBT cards to buy junk food and lobster, use your EBT to buy long term food storage.... Save your grocery budget to buy brass instead, it is going to be a lot more expensive soon enough!

Don’t just “Go Galt”, Instead “Poll Vault” so far over their heads they don’t even see it comming!


10 posted on 11/09/2012 9:31:12 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Lexington Green
When rats take over your house, burn down the house and build another.

Ha-ha! Got this visual in my head of rats running rampant everywhere in our house. Yes, that's what is happening to our nation, filthy rats everywhere I look. I say let the fiscal cliff happen, hold the line and no more taxes, let the rats squirm when everything burns. Obama can blame the guy who held the White House the last four years.

11 posted on 11/09/2012 9:34:15 AM PST by roadcat
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To: softwarecreator
I am really not 100% sure what you want to do? I see the reasons, but not the actual plan. Or am I missing something?

It's a secret, but I can tell you if you promise to keep it quiet! Tell the GOP to vote NO on raising the DEBT LIMIT.. viola.. BOOM!

12 posted on 11/09/2012 9:35:03 AM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: carlo3b
I agree that going over the cliff and widespread collapse may be the only solution for the fatal Marxist virus running through the US. But, how do we get that tower of jello Boehner to stand tall and refuse to increase the debt ceiling and refuse some deal with Obama on the Fiscal Cliff. I think the House is going to go along in some bipartisan deal and they will not listen to the GOP base.
13 posted on 11/09/2012 9:35:22 AM PST by Truth29
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To: carlo3b
I agree. Let it crash. It's early, in four years, the electorate will have forgotten the who, what, when, etc. Believe me, they will! Clintoon raised taxes, retroactively, at the beginning of his first term (so that I, for the only time in my life, actually owed still more when I filed) and by '96, the people had forgot all about it (and re-elected him).

Crash it, repeat ad nauseum that it's the Dems fault. The media, of course, will blame the Repubs, but they always do and will do so in this case, no matter what, anyway. Start talking a recovery game and do it for the next four years until people say, "I keep hearing about that." and they'll start to pay attention.

Either that, or use the crash to tell the libs to take their part of the country and start their own, we'll clean up the mess here and carry on.

14 posted on 11/09/2012 9:35:58 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: carlo3b

Iceland jumped off the cliff, and now they are well on the way to recovery.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 9:36:19 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: jeffc

“They bought their tickets....they knew what they were getting into....I say, ‘Let ‘em crash!’”


16 posted on 11/09/2012 9:37:51 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: carlo3b

HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO RISK..?????

You’ll probably lose 50% of your net worth almost immediately.
Agree, you’ll lose it anyway, but over a longer period of time. If you think we’re looking after too many now, just imagine that number multiplied by 10. Civil war would be inevitable...I don’t want to have to kill my neighbor.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 9:39:01 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: carlo3b

I personally think that “We, the People” don’t have to do anything right now, except wait.

The Obama Crime Syndicate is planning to turn over (what little remains of) U.S. sovereignty to the UN. Soon, treaties will be signed which will curtail gun ownership rights for U.S. citizens, regulate the Internet and control oil and mineral rights in the world’s oceans i.e., the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST).

Add to that the plan to continue to expand the welfare state by taxing the productive class at ever higher rates, in order to pay for “more free stuff” that the parasitic class will demand.

And Obamacare will ruin the once finest medical treatment system the world has known.

The system will crash all on its own, but not the way the left wants it to.

So the irony


18 posted on 11/09/2012 9:41:21 AM PST by Signalman
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To: carlo3b
We may need to go over the Cliff. If I thought substantial automatic cuts in spending were in fact to happen I would be happy to pay the additional 18K it will cost me in taxes. Of course the following year I would expect to pay much less as I will clearly take an income hit. About the one year anniversary of tumbling over and assuming the correct cuts are made I expect the takers will realize the problems they created and will educate themselves.

Batten down the hatches

19 posted on 11/09/2012 9:42:02 AM PST by JIM O
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To: Lexington Green

If an army of dumbed down leeches takes 50 years to take down a system and collapse it...

Imagine what a group of producers who are pissed off and know hard work and are extremely motivated can do in 4 short years!

This election has proven to me that the system is dead and since we cannot pull the plug on the welfare state which is locked up in the next room, the next best thing to unplugging it is not to stop paying the elctricity bill (”going galt”) because they can always borrow from other countries/our kids futures etc...

No, the solutuion is to “Poll Vault” over their heads and start plugging in as many hair dryers, space heaters, and microwaves into the circuit until we trip the damned breaker and then when they come screaming to us we position ourselves as the breaker box behind their backs and let them know we will only reset it once they unplug their damned stuff.

“Going Galt” WILL ONLY WORK ON A SYSTEM THAT HAS CURRENCY THAT IS BACKED BY SOMETHING OF VALUE!!!


20 posted on 11/09/2012 9:42:54 AM PST by GraceG
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To: sanjuanbob

my neighbors are 21 mexicans living in a 2 br house.....nuff said


21 posted on 11/09/2012 9:43:43 AM PST by jneesy (rough seas make skillful sailors)
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To: sanjuanbob
We do it now with the base we still have or later when another 30 million are on the dole and they let it go.. Same results, only better now.. I don’t want to have to kill my neighbor. Me either, let him in on our plan then both of you find more good friends etc.. Did your neighbor vote for Zero?.. jus sayin... :)
22 posted on 11/09/2012 9:44:26 AM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: carlo3b

The house of cards is going to crash down sooner or later - might as well be Now.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 9:46:39 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: dfwgator

Iceland jumped off the cliff, and now they are well on the way to recovery.

We need to pull the damned bandage off....

If we had a real currency we would be able to “Go Galt” but because so much economics these days is “in the abstract” nothing short of a total catostrophic failure of the welfare state will get ANYONE’s attention...


24 posted on 11/09/2012 9:47:37 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Signalman

[ I personally think that “We, the People” don’t have to do anything right now, except wait.

The Obama Crime Syndicate is planning to turn over (what little remains of) U.S. sovereignty to the UN. Soon, treaties will be signed which will curtail gun ownership rights for U.S. citizens, regulate the Internet and control oil and mineral rights in the world’s oceans i.e., the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST).

Add to that the plan to continue to expand the welfare state by taxing the productive class at ever higher rates, in order to pay for “more free stuff” that the parasitic class will demand.

And Obamacare will ruin the once finest medical treatment system the world has known.

The system will crash all on its own, but not the way the left wants it to.

So the irony ]

The problem is the left is the party of incrementalism, any crash that happens by them is going to be slow to the popint that by the time it really does collapse all the people who have known freedome will have been long dead and voted democrat for several elections....


25 posted on 11/09/2012 9:48:56 AM PST by GraceG
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To: carlo3b

Take it down. I don’t care. Whatever comes will be better than legalized slavery.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 9:52:41 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: carlo3b
There are two (2) ways to approach this. Conservatives in the US House of Representatives refuse to pass a single bill through the House until Obamacare is repealed, taxes are lowered and other economy supporting measures are passed or:

Sit back and let the Country go off the cliff and hang this economy and disaster around the liberal socialist necks!

Sometimes Americans have to actually live thought coming disaster in order to understand it. My Grandfather once told me: “you have to feel the cold in order to appreciate the warmth!”

27 posted on 11/09/2012 9:53:29 AM PST by paratrooper82 (We have been deserted by this WH and left to fend for ourselves in Afghanistan! Both hands tied!)
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To: carlo3b
All that has to be done is have the Republicans, in Congress, vote Present. Let the Dems run with it. Give it to the dems, the media, and their voters on a gold platter. Let the dems, the media, and their voters digest this mess. They will go nuts.
28 posted on 11/09/2012 9:54:05 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: paratrooper82
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29 posted on 11/09/2012 9:55:05 AM PST by paratrooper82 (We have been deserted by this WH and left to fend for ourselves in Afghanistan! Both hands tied!)
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To: GraceG

Time to call our sons daughters and their cousins to come live near the home place - a network of family.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 10:01:01 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: carlo3b

We’re already over the cliff.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 10:02:10 AM PST by Tzimisce (2016? Not if the country's dead. :(:(:(:(:()
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To: paratrooper82

I say let all the tax cuts expire. I say this because most libs don’t even know that all taxpayers rec’d a cut, not just the rich. Also because it’s the only “fair” thing to do. Our military defends everyone, not just the rich. The rich don’t use any other services that the gov’t is supposed to supply anymore than anyone else.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 10:03:01 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: carlo3b

Liberals are hearing cries for mercy and the lamination of our conservative women..
Must make them feel very victorious..

I say slowly but surely gather evidence of the BIGGEST election theft in american history..

They have been doing this for decades but pull out all the stops this time.. with the MSM hiding it..

Am I saying DO THINGS ILLEGAL to get this information.. ABSOLUTELY..


33 posted on 11/09/2012 10:04:42 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: paratrooper82

I don’t think we should hold the House back, instead it should keep submitting bills that uphold the job they have taken, and keep screaming that it’s the Senate that won’t bring anything up for a vote, etc.

And because so many “hate the Bush tax cuts” and have never even bothered to learn how fortunate they were when that went in, I say we let it got and let everyone fall into the world of the AMT. Maybe then, and only then, will they see Bush, and taxes, in a different light! I say let’s do it!


34 posted on 11/09/2012 10:05:53 AM PST by GizzyGirl
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To: paratrooper82

I don’t think we should hold the House back, instead it should keep submitting bills that uphold the job they have taken, and keep screaming that it’s the Senate that won’t bring anything up for a vote, etc.

And because so many “hate the Bush tax cuts” and have never even bothered to learn how fortunate they were when that went in, I say we let it got and let everyone fall into the world of the AMT. Maybe then, and only then, will they see Bush, and taxes, in a different light! I say let’s do it!


35 posted on 11/09/2012 10:06:00 AM PST by GizzyGirl
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To: carlo3b

Carlo, first I want to know how to get my money OUT. I believe like you do but I am not as courageous as the founding fathers. I want my children to inherit a little head start if possible. I do have another passport but I don’t want to go down with the ship. I know, I know, my head keeps slipping under the water with us all now...


36 posted on 11/09/2012 10:06:04 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: carlo3b

Tell the GOP to vote NO on raising the DEBT LIMIT.. viola.. BOOM!

How many times have we screamed No Raising the Debt Limit. Our gop does the song and dance “no way” “never gonna raise it” “not gonna happen”....but they always turn around and raise it and get nothing in return. It will be raised after Boehner’s song and dance. Happens every time.


37 posted on 11/09/2012 10:07:00 AM PST by mouse1
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To: dfwgator

“They bought their tickets....they knew what they were getting into....I say, ‘Let ‘em crash!’”


Made me laugh. Who knew that guy was right?


38 posted on 11/09/2012 10:08:02 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: sanjuanbob

I understand. Get a friend from another town to kill your neighbor and you can go kill his.


39 posted on 11/09/2012 10:09:35 AM PST by Terry Mross (Once again I wasted my vote. But I have learned my lesson.)
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To: carlo3b

There’s no limit to the damage that can be inflicted on this country that can’t be spun, ignored or blamed on Bush. Why should Obama care? More crises equal more opportunities for dictatorial rule. He can’t lose.


40 posted on 11/09/2012 10:10:15 AM PST by Spok
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To: mouse1

How can you name a guy so impotent Boner?


41 posted on 11/09/2012 10:10:19 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

I never though I would say this, but I think NOW is the time to bale on the markets, and buy Gold and Silver, or other metals like Copper and Brass.. Those are solid, and the Fed will react by printing MORE AND MORE worthless dollars..

Inflation will spiral out of control if we don’t stop borrowing and spending by increasing the Debt.. However, if we shut it down, the dollar will get powerful in a short time..


42 posted on 11/09/2012 10:15:32 AM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: donna

Time to call our sons daughters and their cousins to come live near the home place - a network of family.

Sign them all up for EBT and SNAP and use those cradds to stock up on storable food and other items that can be bartered!!!!


43 posted on 11/09/2012 10:15:49 AM PST by GraceG
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To: GizzyGirl
“I don’t think we should hold the House back, instead it should keep submitting bills that uphold the job they have taken, and keep screaming that it’s the Senate that won’t bring anything up for a vote, etc.”

Won't work with lap-dog old media shilling for the liberals.

The House can put up and vote on bills to repeal Obamaycare and lower taxes and let the Senate pass them, or nothing gets through the House of Representatives period! You cannot negotiate with liberals, they will have to be dealt with by force!

44 posted on 11/09/2012 10:17:54 AM PST by paratrooper82 (We have been deserted by this WH and left to fend for ourselves in Afghanistan! Both hands tied!)
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To: carlo3b

The math doesn’t add up. Our current fiscal path is unsustainable. I don’t think we need to do anything drastic as that would take down a lot of the innocent (Romney voters) hard. It’s coming down. We need to be patient and do what we can to take care of our own.

If we take a huge haircut on our personal assets, that will put us in a more challenging position to help our families survive a severe downturn.

I don’t support a hard line stance now. There will be time for that later, if necessary.


45 posted on 11/09/2012 10:21:57 AM PST by randita
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To: carlo3b

However, if we shut it down, the dollar will get powerful in a short time..

We won’t have a powerful dollar with 25% unemployment.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 10:22:40 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: carlo3b

I do not understand the “cliff” very well. Is it a one year deal? As I understand it the Bush tax cuts expire, the AMT rolls out in full force and there automatic spending cuts.

My questions are how long does it all last? What happens the next year and the following years?

How deep are the cuts in real terms not budget terms?

I may be willing to jump if it takes a big permanent bite out of spending.


47 posted on 11/09/2012 10:24:16 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: carlo3b

Maybe the states hold a lot of influence over the next 45 days. Is this an option?

Withold the electorate votes of 3 Republican governors of swing states that went to Obama. This may motivate Congress and the President to negotiate acceptable deals to our liking.

Per the electoral site (link below)…states face no legal penalty for failure to comply with Dec 26th date to certify and send the electoral votes to Congress.

January 6, 2013 - The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes and no Presidential candidate wins 270 (because VA, Wisc, and OH governors do not certify the electoral votes. This would leave Obama with only 262 votes.)

The House of Representatives (12th Amendment) would elect the President by majority vote with each state having one vote.

Source: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html


48 posted on 11/09/2012 10:24:54 AM PST by Maggie34
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To: paratrooper82; everyone
with lap-dog old media shilling for the liberals.

Folks our choices are limited to slim and none. Slim just took the last train out of town. We have to have a plan where we do not get the blame. I'm a Conservative, and betting you (all of you) are Conservative too. We get the blame no matter what. Vote Present and that removes the blame from us. Please if am wrong, tell me.

49 posted on 11/09/2012 10:24:54 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

The situation is this. We can continue to borrow and crash. We are gonna crash, just a matter of when. Or we can give it to the dems, the media, and their voters. They will raise the debt, raise taxes, and it all goes BOOM. It is so far down the road, BOOM is only a matter of time. We (Conservatives) have taken the blame for all the ills. Let the other side crash it. Why do we have to take the blame? They can’t blame it on us if our Conservative Representatives vote Present. Also shows America where the Conservatives are.


50 posted on 11/09/2012 10:29:53 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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