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The New Welfare Swindle. (CRAZY MONEY)
American spectator ^ | 11/17/11 | By Christopher Orlet

Posted on 11/08/2012 8:01:29 PM PST by Typical_Whitey

Ever since I moved to the inner city one thing has puzzled me more than any other, and that is how my low-income neighbors get by. Assuming they aren't doing anything illegal, how do they afford their homes, their meals, their gadgets, their cars?

Few seem to work, even part time, for they are home in the morning when I leave for work, home if I stop by for lunch, and home when I return in the evening. They can't work the graveyard shift, for they keep me up half the night with their raucous music. I am left to conclude that they seldom, if ever work. Therefore, their funds must come from elsewhere. And none of them strike me as a trust fund baby.

The best I can figure is they make do with a patchwork of welfare programs. Besides, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), which expires after five years, there is housing assistance, WIC (Women, Infants and Children) and Medicaid. There are food stamps, which also can be sold in parking lots for cash, and various lesser programs, such as heating assistance.

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In 2000 there were 45.6 Million Retirees and SSI In 2004 there were 47.6 Million Retirees and SSI (+ 2 Million over 4 years) In 2008 there were 50.7 Million Retirees and SSI (+ 3 Million over 4 years) Today there are 68.1 Million Retirees and SSI (+ 17.4 Million in 4 Obama years)

We are in some deep dodo.... The people are not returning to the workforce they are claiming mental illness and disability and it is destroying social security for everyone but the Democrats are promoting this and the media is silent.

See for yourself do the math USDEBTCLOCK.org

and you wonder why MILLIONS in the Urban deep blue areas of the USA voted for Obama and his freebies, this is it. Demand that congress stop the rape and pillage of SSI.

1 posted on 11/08/2012 8:01:36 PM PST by Typical_Whitey
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To: Typical_Whitey

Your neighbors pay no taxes. None. For anything.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 8:06:52 PM PST by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: Typical_Whitey

What is SSI?


3 posted on 11/08/2012 8:08:30 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Typical_Whitey

Inflation makes a fixed income difficult to live on.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 8:12:16 PM PST by Son House (Romney Plan: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Look in the mirror...that’s who’s paying for their 24 hour fun..


5 posted on 11/08/2012 8:14:22 PM PST by Fedupwithit (You gave him what he wanted. I gave him what he needed.)
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To: rcrngroup

It is supplemental Security Income through Social Security. Essentially it is a federal welfare program for the disabled who have never worked enough to pay in enough to qualify for regular Social Security Disability.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 8:15:49 PM PST by sheana
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To: Typical_Whitey

According to your tagline (and Bath-House Barry’s Amerika), you’re the wrong skin color for the “goodies”.

Now, get back to work-—the swarm of locust are counting on it.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 8:16:07 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: rcrngroup

SSI you ask? Social Security checks for those who never worked and payed into the system. Supposed to be for those who have a disability that never allowed them to work. Think MR, polio etc. But there is abuse of the system like all .gov programs.


8 posted on 11/08/2012 8:19:13 PM PST by therut
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To: Typical_Whitey

How about their family members are salespeople....

For drugs

No reporting income there; its a cash “business”


9 posted on 11/08/2012 8:23:06 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: rcrngroup

Ssi goes to some people too mentally ill to work like my relative. Mostly it was enough for him to scrape by while living homeless until he was struck by a car late at night while in the grips of a particularly bad flare-up of his mental illness. He had been taken into custody by law enforcement but shuffled straight back onto the street with a few pills, like a bandaid on a shot gun wound. He had been a smart and kind person but now is like a large infant with his brain damage.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 8:23:23 PM PST by Texas Gal
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To: Son House
BS....they pay no taxes except sales tax maybe....they like not working....so would I if I could get free everything....

work is the blessing of a good, solid society....

not working encourages sloth, obesity., addiction, mindless activity.....pretty sure a lot of welfare queens spend a ton of money at the casino....

no more charity for me...no food banks...no nothing....

11 posted on 11/08/2012 8:26:24 PM PST by cherry
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To: Typical_Whitey

I’d say about 2/3rds of the folks spoke of in this article are “disabled”. They probably co-habitate(shackup) with someone and have a few kids. The kids will REALLY cause the .gov handouts to multiply. I believe the “disability” program is very generous when it comes to dependents.

So.... They get their free ‘cash money’ from “disability”, their food from ‘food stamps’, they likely get some form of rental/housing assistance, heating/cooling assistance, more spending cash from TANF, WIC(on top of the food stamps) from having the kids, a free cell phone, and I’m SURE there’s a bunch of shit I’m leaving out!

If I had to guesstimate, I’d say all of the above probably adds up to about $35-$40,000(maybe $50-$55k for the household), depending on the area someone is in. That’s a middle class salary right there. I’m not even getting into any ‘under the table’ cash they could be bringing in via odd jobs, black market, or even working for a crooked employer paying cash.

Need to stop thinking about it.... If I allow myself to dwell on it, I’ll feel like a total sucker for busting my ass working hard to support my family. My wife totally feels the same way. I swear, if this continues, someday we might just decide to pick up our toys and go home. We’ll get us some remote mountain property somewhere, liquidate everything, and just totally ‘Go Galt’.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 8:33:13 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn

“CALIFORNIA: CITY TO PAY FOR SEX CHANGES”


13 posted on 11/08/2012 8:40:56 PM PST by Paladin2 (.)
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To: Typical_Whitey
There are food stamps, which also can be sold in parking lots for cash

Back in the bad old days when food stamps were actually stamps, this could be done. But today food stamps are doled out via a credit card. There is still a way to get cash though. You go into a grocery, pay for a bunch of expensive steaks with your EBT (Electronic Benefits Transfer) card and then sell the steaks for 50-60 cents on the dollar.

14 posted on 11/08/2012 8:45:05 PM PST by upchuck (We are not finished yet. But when nobama chooses some more SCOTUS judges, we will be. For ever.)
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To: upchuck
Back in the bad old days when food stamps were actually stamps, this could be done. But today food stamps are doled out via a credit card. There is still a way to get cash though. You go into a grocery, pay for a bunch of expensive steaks with your EBT (Electronic Benefits Transfer) card and then sell the steaks for 50-60 cents on the dollar.

hey bro...you say your card is worth $1,500....I'll give you 750.00 cash for it.....O.K., $800.00....SOLD!

15 posted on 11/08/2012 9:00:25 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Paladin2

Their prisoners get them too. The mental anguish from being born in the wrong body is a disability and causes them to commit crime.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 9:01:53 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: upchuck

They sell the EBT cards and PIN for cash also. My state is cracking down a little because the original holder, when they report the card lost, has to write a letter to the bank that administers the funds to get a replacement. I’m guessing many of them can’t write a letter...


17 posted on 11/08/2012 9:12:55 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: terycarl
hey bro...you say your card is worth $1,500....I'll give you 750.00 cash for it.....O.K., $800.00....SOLD!

I doubt they'd do that as the card is "recharged" each month.

If you're getting $600/month in food stamps (which is not all that unusual), why would you sell the card? You're giving up $600/month in free stuff.

18 posted on 11/08/2012 9:14:55 PM PST by upchuck (We are not finished yet. But when nobama chooses some more SCOTUS judges, we will be. For ever.)
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To: steve86

It used to be that they could sell the EBT card and then walk into the welfare office an hour later and get a replacement instantly. Over and over sometimes.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 9:15:41 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Typical_Whitey

I believe a currency crisis and a technical bankruptcy for the US govt would be a good thing


20 posted on 11/08/2012 9:15:46 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Typical_Whitey

Amazing...


21 posted on 11/08/2012 9:17:47 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: upchuck

Even now, you get the card replaced and get the $600 back. It just takes a couple weeks.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 9:17:47 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Typical_Whitey

So I’m an unmarried female (black, white, hispanic - take your pick) who has multiple children by multiple baby daddys, just like my mother. I have faked mental illness so I can get SSI. All my kids are on medicaid and I get lots of owebama stash on my EBT card. Since I am mentally ill I can have my momma be the foster parent for my babies while I’m busy making more of them. That way SHE gets lots of money too.

Hey! It’s a family business.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 9:20:50 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: terycarl

You’d better check first if that money is still on the card. Go with the sellers through the checkout line when they buy a bag of beans and look at the receipt to see what the balance says.

Or so that’s what they say on the street


24 posted on 11/08/2012 9:36:38 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: upchuck

Your street corner pharmacist will not take your card for his wares. Strictly cash and carry.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 9:41:15 PM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: PGR88

Read an economic history of 21st century Argentina, and then say you wish that on America, although that’s where I think we’re headed.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 9:41:31 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: 43north

AND with another Social Security number you could even have a little job somewhere and get unemployment or worker’s comp on the side. Social Security card only costs $50 bucks or so, worth the investment.

I used to sell employee benefits and when you talk to some immigrant employees you can uncover several of their SSNs and their ways to game the system.

That was over 10 years ago.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 10:05:04 PM PST by tinamina
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To: Typical_Whitey

People who get permanent disability checks for the rest of their lives (Lupus, Carpal Tunnel, myasthenia gravis) are able to earn up to a certain dollar amount each month. They can’t go over the government limit. Not much incentive for them to ever work again. But:

Plenty of them are getting paid in cash under the table. The money is never reported or taxed, they have a guaranteed income from UncleSam that pays the car+lights-for the rest of their life, and they’ve got twice the income anyone knows about.

When tax time rolls around, they buy SS# on the street, and file taxes showing 8 fake dependents and get back $4500 - $6000+ in cold hard cash by mid-January.

Believe me: If there is a way to work or game the system, the people have it figured out and are doing it.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 11:07:14 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: tinamina

Hey, my post crossed paths with yours, and how ironic we both used “game the system”.

I have seen & heard about so many scams the nonworking and lazy come up. More time spent on figuring out ways to scam than to just work.

One that has been more popular is selling their public housing to friends & relatives. Person A’s name comes up to receive public housing, she sells it to Person B under the table. Housing authorities don’t check & don’t care who moves in. Person A gets food stamps & assistance in one county, Person B gets assistance in next county over, they hit the churches & food pantries ea week, and “share” the kiddies as proof they need the help.

I’m not sure people who work understand just how much it occurs. It’s the rule, not the exception.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 11:20:18 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: unsycophant

WOW. I never heard of that one, but I was pretty naive when I saw the scams I did see.
I also went to a project (a white lady in red sports car, very intelligent decision, right?) where I was asked to meet an employee who had relatives. The guy said he “told them I was coming” so I and my car were safe.
All of them worked for the City and between them they made huge money, (I had access to payroll info) but they still chose to live together in the project, because that’s all they knew.
So where did all the spare money go? They had more of it than I did, that’s for sure, with free benefits included. But everywhere there was nothing but gray, broken glass and mismatched furniture. Not one green thing in sight and no sign of anything in the least upscale. Again, where was the money going? The modern day plantation?
Eye opening.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 12:00:23 AM PST by tinamina
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To: terycarl

Back in the bad old days when food stamps were actually stamps, this could be done. But today food stamps are doled out via a credit card. There is still a way to get cash though. You go into a grocery, pay for a bunch of expensive steaks with your EBT (Electronic Benefits Transfer) card and then sell the steaks for 50-60 cents on the dollar.

hey bro...you say your card is worth $1,500....I’ll give you 750.00 cash for it.....O.K., $800.00....SOLD!

thats excatly how they do it. in massachusetts they have 20000 lost ebt cards per month. (meaning they sell the card and report it lost)this why those people felt like they could vote 5 times in phily, no one ever calls them on it.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 12:41:44 AM PST by willywill
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To: unsycophant

“I’m not sure people who work understand just how much it occurs. It’s the rule, not the exception.”

Years ago, I had a conversation with a fellow who was on the public assistance rolls in 4 states. His “work month” was travelling to the 4 cities to collect the bennies. Chicago, Columbus, Louisville and Indianapolis. Sharp business accumen. How does this happen or are the elites in charge just that dim? Fraud? What fraud?


32 posted on 11/09/2012 2:43:33 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: Typical_Whitey

I will tell you how they do it.

They are pure opportunists and there is almost nothing they will not do.

If it’s not tied down, steal it.

If you aren’t strong enough to hold on to it, it’s mine.

Learn to live on a shoe string.

Don’t chastise your children for begging, and don’t be above it yourself.

Learn every way to game the system and then pass the word.

Prostitution is absolutely ok.

Cheat on your taxes.

Live three generations to a house.

When you do work, do menial labor and steal from your employers.

Give your children a totally anti-social outlook on life so that you can benefit from it later in life and your children can continue to perpetuate to their own progeny.


33 posted on 11/09/2012 3:02:48 AM PST by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: cherry

Rent alone can be a big expense on the fixed income of SSI.


34 posted on 11/09/2012 3:18:27 AM PST by Son House (Romney Plan: Cap Spending At 20 Percent Of GDP.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Demand that congress stop the rape and pillage of SSI.


Of course I agree with you but what makes you think Congress will stop any of it?


35 posted on 11/09/2012 4:53:12 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: Texas Gal

Prayers for him and your family.


36 posted on 11/09/2012 5:02:14 AM PST by HollyB
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To: tinamina

Drugs

Booze

Hookers


37 posted on 11/09/2012 5:48:35 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Son House

Most likely, they will also be drawing Section 8 housing-—which can continue for LIFE. Your tax money pays 80% of their housing.

I have seen Section 8 recipients driving much better cars than I do & with more jewelry & clothing. Fancy TV’s—you name it.


38 posted on 11/09/2012 5:54:20 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Typical_Whitey
Thanks. Related:


39 posted on 11/09/2012 6:30:56 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: KoRn
I work with a gal. She and her husband ( who also works full time) have a son who has been diagnosed with ADHD. They get SSI because of this. They just bought a fancy new house last year on a couple acres of land.

I'm scratching my head.

40 posted on 11/09/2012 6:38:27 AM PST by 3catsanadog (No more blaming Bush, Obama-now you inherited the mess you made.)
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To: upchuck
"Back in the bad old days when food stamps were actually stamps, this could be done. But today food stamps are doled out via a credit card."

They still sell the EBT cards and PINs, and will sell the recharge too. In California, you can buy fast food with EBT.

Don't forget, their are unscrupulous shopkeepers who will take EBTs and give out cash, or sell liquor or cigarettes off of the SNAP side of the EBT money. The same way they did with paper food stamps.

As long as you have the card and the PIN, you are good to go.

However, with the ability to now purchased pre-cooked prepared food and restaurant food with EBT, fewer people probably sell their benefits for cash.

41 posted on 11/09/2012 6:48:10 AM PST by magellan
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To: Son House
"Rent alone can be a big expense on the fixed income of SSI."

True if it is just you in an unsubsidized home.

Easier if it is you and your three kids who also qualify for SSI and you are in subsidized housing. Oh, and you also get SNAP, TANF, Medicaid, daycare subsidies, and an ObamaPhone.

And even easier if you share the home with your sister who also has three kids on SSI, SNAP, TANF, and daycare subsidies, and you babysit her kids, and she babysits your kids, and you each get paid each other's daycare subsidies so it never leaves the house.

Increase the cash value of these benefits by about 1/3rd again, and you have what you would need to gross in a paycheck to equal the tax free value of these benefits.

42 posted on 11/09/2012 7:07:28 AM PST by magellan
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To: KoRn
"Need to stop thinking about it.... If I allow myself to dwell on it, I’ll feel like a total sucker for busting my ass working hard to support my family. My wife totally feels the same way. I swear, if this continues, someday we might just decide to pick up our toys and go home."

"The Election -- listen I think this is where this country's at right now ... I like a country where people bust their tookus, and I think this country's gone a long way towards becoming more of a European model. And I would say once again, read the book, Amity Schlaes' book The Forgotten Man -- if you are out there now, making $45,000 a year, busting your hump being away from your family because it's in your hard drive to do the right thing, the right thing changed in this country yesterday. You can get close to that from the government." -- Dennis Miller, The Factor, Nov. 7, 2012

43 posted on 11/09/2012 7:24:23 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: PaleoBob

You see that is the problem on our side there is really no passion.... Where is our ANTI-DEBT movement? It should better organized, louder and more focused than the Lefts anti-war movement.


44 posted on 11/09/2012 7:32:46 AM PST by Typical_Whitey (The political mirage of something for nothing; has ruined many a nation.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; null and void; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; ...

this writer has an easy way of stating the (unfortunate ) obvious....

the new welfare swindle
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/11/17/the-new-welfare-swindle

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/27/my-zero-tolerance-policy

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/13/among-the-dropouts

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/05/17/when-men-wont-work


45 posted on 11/09/2012 7:34:02 AM PST by bitt (The buck rolls downhill.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

They don’t get married and breed. They live together and both receive assistance. They get massive amounts of benefits and monster tax refund checks too.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 7:37:33 AM PST by dforest
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To: Texas Gal

The case you are speaking of is legit. The majority are not.


47 posted on 11/09/2012 7:39:36 AM PST by dforest
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To: VanShuyten
"Read an economic history of 21st century Argentina, and then say you wish that on America, although that’s where I think we’re headed."

Columbia.

48 posted on 11/09/2012 7:43:01 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

+ Obama Phones!


49 posted on 11/09/2012 7:45:15 AM PST by Nascar Dad (It is not the votes that count, it is who counts the votes.)
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To: daniel1212

bttt


50 posted on 11/09/2012 7:48:48 AM PST by Nascar Dad (It is not the votes that count, it is who counts the votes.)
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