Barbarians at the Gate: Embracing Our New Barbarian Overlords

Yes, I see your post was as much about talking with people about Christ as political issues. It is interesting that the same issue with faith, the denial of reality, is a function of world-view.

The two biggest issues in the world today are moral relativism and denial of an objective truth. These are being taught everyday in our schools at every level. The post modern mind is incapable of dealing with the world as it stands as they are unable to discern truth.

Young people are actually being taught that there is no objective truth. When confronted with the idea that the Bible is objective truth, even believers will accept this paradox. It can only be described as insanity.

It was as if satan himself was somehow involved.

schu

Thank you both for your thoughtful replies,

I suppose I two motives that seem to have extremely similar challenges at their core. One, as a Christian, is to help people find Christ for themselves and the other is to show certain individuals how destructive Liberal/Progressive policies are to a persons freedom.

I would like to continue our discussion since it seems at least we have a common understanding.

Overcoming the obstacles presented by our secular institutions, in my opinion, can only happen by either going around them or undermining their efforts. A great deal of forethought and creativeness may be required to craft, not so much a message, but an approach. I have some ideas that we can work on if you’re interested.

The one thing I’m certain of,you must know your audience and create an environment for a substantive discussion to begin. From this point it’s a matter of guiding someone to the logical conclusion. I hate to say it but, the process is a classic sales technique.

My goal would be to actually put together a manual or guide for people to follow when approaching people.

I would really like feedback and some insight as well.

I just now found this, it is really awesome!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMXTlIAN5Q0&feature=g-vrec

The concepts of how to approach those with differing world views is much like what I’m talking about.

While he is speaking about Christian Apologetics, the same principles need to be applied to political ideologies in America.

What are your foundations of belief ?

I'm interested.

The communists have succeeded in their five-decades-long march through the institutions. It's up to us to march through the institutions ourselves.

One thing that Christians can do now, that would have immediate and explosive impact, would be to homeschool their children. The benefit to children should be obvious. But another side benefit is that we would reduce the numbers of a powerful special interest group, government school teachers.

I am of the opinion that changing world-views to the point where people will consider voting for someone of a different view is a real challenge. I do not think it is entirely the same as a Christian conversion as we have a little “help” from the Holy Spirit if it gets to that point.

The problem is we have had 50+ years of institutionalized leftism. Overcoming this inherent advantage will take several generations. In short, I believe it is nearly hopeless to effect change in these institutions given the status quo.

Education, media, government and big business are so infected with the leftist/statist world-view that only a “significant emotional event” (SEE) would evoke even a possibility of a world view change. A long time ago I attended a series of seminars on this topic by Massey, his point is that without this SEE our world view is based upon the nature of the world during those formative years between ages 7 and 12. What You Are Is Where You Were When.

A growing majority of the people have been indoctrinated with this leftist view, they really do not understand what it means or why as it is primarily based upon emotion and feelings. These guys are VERY GOOD at this charade and here we are.

Now this SEE is more than likely to occur sometime in the not-do-distant future given the direction the country has taken. War, economic calamity, large scale social disruption are all things that could spark change. It is not guaranteed that we will collectively move in a direction where a greater amount of liberty is the majority view, however.

I wish you guys the best of luck, but I am a pessimist and I think the die has been cast. Hope I am wrong.

schu

schu,

While I agree with virtually everything you have said and I know there’s more. I can’t help but to think that since Christian Apologetics can be very effective, so can Conservative Apologetics. The process of breaking down a persons flawed logic is almost exactly the same.

And who’s to say that the Holy Spirit would not be with us in the effort to bring people closer to the founding principals of this great nation. Providence, after all,was set in the heart of the framers.

I have many ideas to get people to start to think for themselves. This BTW, is the biggest challenge.

If your still up to providing feedback, I think it would be best to take our discussion to FR mail.

Look forward to hearing from you

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