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The Conservative Paradox
Vanity | 11/9/2012 | Me

Posted on 11/08/2012 11:43:50 AM PST by radpolis

I have read many of the Freeper and conservative analyses of why we lost this election.

The ironic thing is they are not all wrong even when they contradict each other.

Each element of criticism has an element of truth.

The problem essentially comes down to this:

How do we get more votes than the Democrats?

The fact is that the Republican Party has some inherent contradictions that we have to over-come.

Most Freepers want to be a niche party in a country of 310 million people.

As a capitalist, this goes against the basic principle that you want to maximize your customer base.

Some really believe that you can win elections just by appealing to the White conservative Christian and evangelical base.

We can win elections with this base if the voters show up. But this is a really risky strategy, because evidently this base is fickle.

We can certainly win state elections when this base shows up in Red and Swing states. Evidently, we are good at winning elections even in Blue and Swing states when there isn't a presidential election. (There are reasons for this that always benefits us that I won’t be going into.)

However, during national elections, we have told moderates on the West Coast and the Northeast that if you don’t subscribe to conservative Christian principles of the Deep South and Midwest then you can go take a hike.

As far as I am concerned, this is a stupid strategy. Telling the Rockefeller and Tim Johnson Republicans to take a hike is not helpful.

Freepers need to come to grips with the reality that there are people who are philosophically with us on the West Coast and Northeast but who are more socially libertarian than socially conservative, many are hard core capitalists and/or have misgivings about the Nanny State. For example, they are small businesswomen who get killed on taxes and regulations. But they side with the Democrats, because the hardcore evangelicals turn them off with their rhetoric. Honestly, I think what killed us was the “War on Women.” However unjust you think that attack was, we have to come to terms that some rhetoric on our side is what hung us.

Broadly, we shouldn't be losing any elections in New England, except for maybe Massachusetts and Vermont, which have gone full blown socialist. And, quite frankly, we shouldn't be losing any elections in the Upper Midwest either. These states are mostly lily white and don’t have the black and Latino demographic that swings elections to Democrats.

So basically we need to go back to the way we won elections in the past.

We have to stop isolating the liberal and moderate Republicans on the West Coast, New England and Upper Midwest. Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan embraced them, because they were not stupid. In other words, abide by Reagan's 11th Commandment.

But, at the same time, we need to keep the hardcore conservative base in the Deep South and lower Midwest.

This is the paradox.

In the final analysis, we need the Reagan coalition. People seem to think Reagan was a hard core conservative his entire career. But the fact is he was more like Mitt Romney. Reagan governed California when it was going through the social revolution of the late 60s and early 70s. He didn't govern California like a hard core conservative. What made Reagan look like a hard core conservative to many, however, was his position on Communism and the Soviet Union.

Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan won their elections with blowouts. They had 50 state strategies. They didn't win by going after a handful of votes in the so-called battlegrounds.

The gap we need to bridge is the social conservatism of the lower Midwest and Deep South with the more socially liberal elements in the urban and coastal parts of the country. Many here think we shouldn't go this route and go hard right, socially. I respectfully disagree.

I don't think you can win if you isolate women, the youth, and the male libertarian elements with rhetoric that sounds more like the Taliban than American.

I also think we would have a better message that would even appeal to Democrats is if our attitude towards government be made in the rhetoric of reform instead of elimination--even if we plan on eliminating.

The broader base lies in prosperity for all through free markets and entrepreneurship, a social agenda that is limited to civil society, church and localities, smaller, efficient and reformed government, and a strong defense.


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1 posted on 11/08/2012 11:43:55 AM PST by radpolis
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To: radpolis; pookie18
OBAMA FORTRESS
2 posted on 11/08/2012 11:45:00 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: radpolis
However, during national elections, we have told moderates on the West Coast and the Northeast that if you don’t subscribe to conservative Christian principles of the Deep South and Midwest then you can go take a hik

We nominated a liberal Northeastern RINO.

Your analysis breaks down.

3 posted on 11/08/2012 11:50:23 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: radpolis

We nominated and ran a northeastern RINO this time and lost.

Your anaylsis makes no sense.

Conservatives will never, ever, ever do this again.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 11:52:18 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: radpolis

Sorry to tell you, but there is no ‘we’ anymore.

The GOP jumped the shark this time. Not going to go into the reasons why, just check the record.

It’s Constitution Party time for all those who want this country back. And we will take it back.

The Republican ‘Wet Noodle’ Party is not only finished, they’re through.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 11:53:25 AM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: radpolis

Another call to pander to the abortionists, homosexualists, atheists, big government pushers, shamnesty crowd and weak-kneed sisters of either gender? No thank you. RINOs will never win! When all the dust settles on all the arguments, Romney lost because he was the GOP-e RINO loser dujour.

Run a rock-ribbed conservative or dissolve the party!

FUGOPe!!


6 posted on 11/08/2012 11:54:11 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: FrankR

“As a capitalist, this goes against the basic principle that you want to maximize your customer base.

With all due respect, the government should have no “customer base.” THAT is our problem. We are thinking that we need to compete in crony capitalism or out-pander the other side. We lost, in my opinion, because we didn’t go to the polls and we did not distinguish ourselves from the other side. Small government, less spending is proabably a winner...but the idea is, as you demonstrate, foreign even to some of us. Clint had it right. The government is just a bunch of employees. Some need to be laid off; some fired.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 11:54:18 AM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: radpolis
Oh please. Mitt Romney is the most Rockefellerian republican to get the nomination since Gerald Ford. He ran the most moderate, civil, non-threatening campaign in decades, and it did no good at all.

Yes, a couple of stupid yahoos in senate races shot their big mouths off and cost themselves big-time, but that isn't why republicans can no longer win in California and the northeast. Immigration, demographics, and geographic relocation have made that happen. America today is simply MUCH different than it was in the '70s and '80s, and it's never going back to the way it was when a Nixon or Reagan could sweep almost everything.

8 posted on 11/08/2012 11:57:53 AM PST by jpl (The government spent another half a million bucks in the time it just took you to read this tagline.)
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To: radpolis
How do we get more votes than the Democrats?

Give them more free stuff? You got to give the people what they want man! This is all show business now. It ain't politics anymore.

9 posted on 11/08/2012 11:58:20 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: radpolis
I don't think you can win if you isolate women, the youth, and the male libertarian elements with rhetoric that sounds more like the Taliban than American.

Screw you...you're lost.

10 posted on 11/08/2012 11:59:27 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: radpolis

“However, during national elections, we have told moderates on the West Coast and the Northeast that if you don’t subscribe to conservative Christian principles of the Deep South and Midwest then you can go take a hike. “

You don’t make any sense.

California and the other states you mention aren’t going to go for the Republican candidate no matter what.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 12:00:09 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: radpolis
If every little thought that trickles into everyone’s brain, that they are somehow compelled to share with the world, is “News/Activism”, then there is no “News/Activism”. I'll be glad when all these navel gazing vanities end up back where they are avoidable.
12 posted on 11/08/2012 12:00:35 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man (<-------currently working through post-election anger issues.)
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To: radpolis

This is the thanks we get for voting for one of you RINO pukes - being called Taliban.

I would say go F yourself, but you are probably already plugged up there.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 12:01:00 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Gluttons for punishment.)
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To: subterfuge

wait until the economy collapses, maybe enough of them will come to their senses when the money runs out


14 posted on 11/08/2012 12:02:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: radpolis
How do we get more votes than the Democrats?

This is the right question.

But your analysis proceeds from the premise that what we are facing is primarily a political problem.

I would submit that what we are facing is primarily a cultural problem.

Beneath the landscape of politics lies a bedrock of cultural factors.

The liberals changed the cultural landscape by leveraging a very small portion of the population to affect the broader culture of the American people through movies, television, books, magazines, newspapers, websites, school curriculum, university faculty, and so on.

They were ruthless in keeping control of influential positions in Hollywood, the mainstream media, university faculties, publishing company editors, teachers' unions and similar places.

After decades, they are reaping the benefits of their long march through the cultural institutions.

Does it strike anyone odd that a terrorist revolutionary like Bill Ayers who was willing to plant bombs and kill 25 million Americans if need be (according to an undercover informant), decided to change his strategy entirely and devote his life to educational curricula? His goals didn't change. He concluded that it was more effective means to the same ends.

Politics follow culture.

15 posted on 11/08/2012 12:02:57 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: GeronL
We nominated a liberal Northeastern RINO.

And before that, a Southwestern RINO.

GWB did a good job playing the part of a conservative, at least long enough to get elected.

Before him, RINO. Before him, RINO.

Actually, we're misusing RINO here, because those guys are the Republicans, we're not. We're just (or most of us at least) hitching a ride in their wagon because it's best option we've got.

And we've been doing it their way ever since Reagan, and even before that, with Reagan being forced by the party to take GWHB on.

Their way doesn't work, at least not if the objective is actually winning and doing the right thing. Time for us to do it our way. The establishment guys don't like us or want us, but they need us. But they also take us for granted -- "where are they going to go?" they laugh. "Home" is the answer.

16 posted on 11/08/2012 12:05:02 PM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: kevkrom

You are correct, we are the RINO’s.

We don’t belong in the GOPe


17 posted on 11/08/2012 12:07:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

“...We nominated a liberal Northeastern RINO...”

And we won the old Confederate States and the Mountain States so our diversity was not the problem.

It is an example of giant urban areas having power over towns and rural areas. Wyoming has three electoral votes. So does Washington, DC.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 12:08:49 PM PST by Monterrosa-24
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To: radpolis
I think you're advocating that the party become more flexible on the social issues like abortion and homosexual marriage. And should the party become more flexible when it comes to immigation? And should the party become more flexible on economic issues like income tax rate increases, public employee unions, entitlements?

Where do you draw the line?

19 posted on 11/08/2012 12:09:00 PM PST by Tau Food (Praise God. Trust God.)
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To: radpolis
What an utter load of crap. Guess what, we hear this from the establishment every single time that they lose an election -- "social conservatives are a drain, they need to shut up". And when we do, we lose.

Every. Damn. Time

That's the BS that gets us Romney and McCain and Dole. It's going to get us Christie in 2016 if you "party" guys get your way.

We've done it your way long enough, now it's our turn. The answer isn't to abandon the field to the left, but to offer a clear and distinct alternative. Get with the program or get out of the way.

20 posted on 11/08/2012 12:10:49 PM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Meet the New Boss

>>>>I would submit that what we are facing is primarily a cultural problem.

Bingo.

I like your statement regarding Bill Ayers, too. Ayers is not a stupid man; he understood that to bring the US down, he’d have to plant a different kind of bomb (education) in a different kind of location (the minds of the young).


21 posted on 11/08/2012 12:11:54 PM PST by GoodDay
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To: radpolis

Excellent commentary and analysis.

I agree with you most of your points.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 12:15:41 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: radpolis

Then you have these IDIOTS.......voting PRINCIPLE, boy are they FICKLE. THEY DIDN’T WANT SATAN, lol. I am a Christian and I am calling these people INSANE. So heavenly minded, they are of no earthly good.
http://www.votingforjesus.com/


23 posted on 11/08/2012 12:18:58 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Longbow1969

Could you or your boyfriend describe exactly how we are like taliban?


24 posted on 11/08/2012 12:21:08 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Gluttons for punishment.)
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To: radpolis

Honestly, I think what killed us was the “War on Women.” However unjust you think that attack was, we have to come to terms that some rhetoric on our side is what hung us.


That falls apart when you look at the polls from the time that showed that support from women was increasing not decreasing. We were winning the war on women. And that is no “fluke”


25 posted on 11/08/2012 12:22:12 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: radpolis

The Democrats kicked the can down the road a few paces, but that can is still sitting there in Europe. I was hoping for a Republican President so the Federal bailout of California would be turned off. The natural consequences of liberalism/socialism/progressivism will cause California to fail. The only question is will it be sooner or later? Most Republicans believe in getting after the problem now instead of letting it fester and get worse. The Democrats are like quack doctors. They just keep treating a cancer with sugar pills so they can keep billing us. Greece and Italy and Spain are still boiling. We’re going to see how socialism works in those countries. Unless, of course, we use American taxpayer money to bail them out, too.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 12:26:56 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: MichaelCorleone
It’s Constitution Party time for all those who want this country back. And we will take it back.

HAHAHAHAHA, please. The Constitution Party is joke. Even the Greens got like 3-4 times more votes. The Constitution Party is so pathetic that, as of this moment, it only scored .09% of the vote. They couldn't even get .1%. Pathetic.

This 3rd party nonsense is the same thing we hear every time and it will never, ever, amount to squat. The Republican party is going to have to figure out a way to get more of the minority vote. Period. I know people don't want to hear that, but if we want to win national (and soon, State) elections we are going to have to figure out how to reach these people. There just aren't enough white people moving to the GOP fast enough to offset the explosion of minority ranks. Good grief, we are even losing 70% of Asians when we were winning them just a decade or so ago. That just can't go on, and folks that don't realize it are just sticking their heads in the sand.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 12:27:24 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Could you or your boyfriend describe exactly how we are like taliban?

I didn't say all of his points you jerk, I said most. I wouldn't have said that bit about the Taliban, but his point about not writing off huge segments of the population is right on target.

28 posted on 11/08/2012 12:30:06 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Jim Robinson; radpolis

Calling Christian Conservative “Taliban”, is a tactic used by homosexuals to push their agenda.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 12:30:53 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Gluttons for punishment.)
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To: radpolis

We’re the Taliban? Take a hike squish!!


30 posted on 11/08/2012 12:34:01 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Longbow1969
Excellent commentary and analysis.
Well good I straightened you out boy...
31 posted on 11/08/2012 12:34:27 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Gluttons for punishment.)
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To: Meet the New Boss
I believe that you are much closer to correct. Here are some messages in an exchange after the election with a 20yo college student family member:

I may not know what I'm asking for! but I do know what I'm not asking for which is Romney. He just would have destroyed us, and for me personally I didn't like what Romney stood for. And that goes for almost everyone at school, including all of my professors and my Director.

I asked her specifically what Romney stood for that she didn't like:

As simple as i can put it. Im pro choice. Romney is pro life. There is nothing worng with that i just dont want it pused on me. And he lied about grants for school and as someone in college now i know so many people who need it!

Yes the financial problems in this country are when is the biggest problems here. But at the same time it is not the only issue that I look at I look at other things as well! Like the fact that the whole Planned Parenthood thing. And the whole college grant things there are so many things that go into it, but then again I'm not a huge politics person I am an actor that's who I am and I look at what's going to be best for me in the long run. And also I guess that's why it's a good thing I don't plan on working at Petsmart.

Your own party did not even want Romney so at the end of the day the people have spoken the battle is over and now only as a country can we move Forward.

32 posted on 11/08/2012 12:39:12 PM PST by LTC.Ret (You'd think I would know better than to volunteer!!! www.sendmetocongress.us)
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To: radpolis

Your screed overlooks the most important thing of all..
Very short sighted of you...

Generally the American people have become CORRUPT... in a hundred ways..
Therefore wants and requires and deserves a corrupt givernment..

America got what it wants and deserves..
Occams Razor demands you reconsider..
Barring CWII America WILL NOT be “fixed”...

Of course you could be a lazy self absorbed coward..
like the rest of the general public..

Obama is just punishment to a corrupt people...
75,000,000+ babies cry out from the dumpster..
many more being created today as we speak..


33 posted on 11/08/2012 12:42:04 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Longbow1969

I’m not going to write off anyone. Except the godless socialist/commies, the godless liberals, the godless abortionitsts, the godless homosexualists, the global warming pushers, the open borders pushers, the shamnesty pushers, those who would destroy our military and strong defenses, those who tax (or borrow) and spend, those who conduct war on coal, oil, gas, industry & capitalism itself, those who shred our constitution, those who vote based on their sex organs, those who are the “takers,” those who spit in the face of liberty, those who spit on our founding principles, those who spit in the face of God, those who spit on America. And I sure as hell will not pander to any of the above. America = God-given Liberty! Love it, live it, defend it or leave it!!

Effin’ commie lovers and RINO squishes can go straight to hell!!


34 posted on 11/08/2012 12:44:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Well good I straightened you out boy...

Listen you little worm, it appears you forgot the part where I said I agreed with most of his points. Maybe you don't read too well, but I used the word MOST for reason. See how that works? MOST, not ALL.

In general, we simply can not go on alienating great swaths of the population. It has to end. And if we can't find a way to cut into the Democrats lead with Hispanics, we will not even be able to win Texas in another generation (or less). I don't know the solution. Caving on principle isn't it, but we are probably going to have to re-consider what issues we emphasize.

35 posted on 11/08/2012 12:45:08 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: MichaelCorleone

“The Republican ‘Wet Noodle’ Party is not only finished, they’re through.”

You speak the truth. The problem for me is what to do about it. If we can’t unseat the GOPe, then we have to create an entity that will take over the bones of the GOP and craft something different. The problem for Conservatives is a couple of things. First, we don’t offer the “free lunch.” Second, we are not monolithic like the RATs. Third, even the so-called “moderate RATs” will vote for a liberal, but the reverse is not true. Fourth, although I hate to say it, the “religious conservatives” need to come to grips with the fact that this is politics and not church. You can’t win and hold each and every candidate to the exact specifications laid down by your particular “branch” of Christianity. And finally Fifth, we need to vet our candidates a whole lot better. We would likely have three and possibly four more “conservatives” in the US Senate if we had been more careful about Akin, Mourdock, Angle and O’Donnell. These people were the “darlings” of the Right, but we should have been suspect that they would do damage to themselves with their unfettered mouths and loose for all of us.


36 posted on 11/08/2012 12:51:00 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Jim Robinson

Republicans face a hostile media and hostile entertainment establishment. We are always swimming against the tide of elite opinion and we are always going to be painted as troglodytes. That is not likely to change and it makes our job difficult.

Saying that, demographic changes are what they are. Just look at the them and realize what they imply just a few years down the road. We may not even be able to win Texas, Arizona and perhaps others not long from now. I don’t believe caving on things like immigration is the answer, but we need to do a better job of talking to Hispanics, Asians, etc. We just have to communicate better with them and find a way to focus on the issues that will most drive them to vote for our candidates.

And of the north east and west coast. Assuming we are fighting for an ever dwindling share of white voters, we are going to need to flip states like NH, Oregon, maybe Washington, etc. Right now we start off elections assuming writing them off. We can win more of these people over talking about fiscal issues than social ones, so that is where our focus should be in those places.

We just can’t keep going the way we are. Demographically we are finished if we do. Of course we don’t give in on principles, but we do need to find a better way to communicate with these groups and emphasize issues that will help move them to vote for us. Right now we, as a party, are simply writing off way too much of the population.


37 posted on 11/08/2012 12:58:05 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: radpolis

How about we just not stand for anything?

/S

Mitt Romney ran on a message of “I’m not him”, or more accurately “I AM A WHITE HIM”. ( a whiter shade of fail)Nobody cares enough about that to get out and vote.

There are no true constitutionalists at any level of power in the GOP.

I believe we’d have been better off to run Ron Paul. He might be crazy, but at least he knows what he stands for.

No, I’m not a Ronulan. I’m just sick of the GOP blaming “Evangelicals” or “Tea Partiers” or “Redneck Racists” or “Anti-Mormans”, for failing to support a candidate that couldn’t be distinguished from the other sides guy on policy.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 1:00:23 PM PST by Hugh the Scot
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To: Longbow1969

Damned right we need to do a better job. Sell them on the founding principles and on what America stands for: God-given Life and Liberty and opportunity for all!! America is head and shoulders above all other nations and it’s exactly because we’re free!! And we recognize God’s gifts of Life and Liberty for all and that the government cannot deprive us of God or His gifts! Socialism, atheism, abortionism, homosexualism, global baloneyism, etc, are all destructive paths and lead to the certain death of freedom and death of the nation. Flip-flopping, pandering, RINO squishes who do not believe this in their hearts cannot sell it. Romney was a used car salesman trying to sell foreign (to him) ideas. Reagan was a straight shooting conservative who loved and lived for God and Liberty and could communicate it to the masses!!


39 posted on 11/08/2012 1:17:34 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Longbow1969

Media and entertainment? Really?

How about WORK OR STARVE? The federal government has no Constitutional or moral authority to take my money and give it to someone else.

We (the people) have allowed this to go on for far too long. Now we have people (allegedly on our side) demanding a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution. What an incredibly stupid idea that is... If our government were held to it’s Constitutional limits, no balanced-budget amendment would be necessary. (and no term-limits either)

When we (the people) stop allowing politicians to buy votes using the public treasury, this insanity will cease, but not one second sooner. No political party is going to do it for us, and I assure you that the corruptocrats will never stop until they’re forced to do so. Demographics don’t matter. Red states & Blue states don’t matter.

The only thing that matters now, or ever did matter, is that the power is truly in the hands of the people.

We might begin at the state level, by shutting off the money spigot. Or we might go the “torches and pitchforks” route. Or we can wait for the inevitable collapse...

Either way, it’s not coming back without a major restructuring, initiated by the citizens.


40 posted on 11/08/2012 1:29:58 PM PST by Hugh the Scot
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To: radpolis
Interesting article, with a lot to agree with, and a few phrases that are going to outrage people (like the "Taliban" thing).

But you step on your own argument and contradict it:

Broadly, we shouldn't be losing any elections in New England, except for maybe Massachusetts and Vermont, which have gone full blown socialist. And, quite frankly, we shouldn't be losing any elections in the Upper Midwest either. These states are mostly lily white and don’t have the black and Latino demographic that swings elections to Democrats.

Rhode Island is more heavily Democrat in presidential elections than Massachusetts, but both states have elected Republican governors more often than not in the past two decades. The broader point is that you talk about not throwing out the Rockefeller Republicans (another passage that's likely to irritate your readers), and go on to throw out whole states. If your approach is right, you ought to entertain the possibility of electing Republicans in states like Massachusetts, or at least not publicly single one or two states out as unwinnable under any circumstances.

Also, you talk about not confining the party to the "White conservative Christian and evangelical base," but go on to say that we should be winning in the Upper Midwest because of race. That seems to be a serious contradiction, unless your argument is for a very White party that includes people of different political philosophies, rather than for a conservative party that includes people of different races.

If you're talking about Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan, I'm not sure you're right about Blacks and Latinos not being a factor. If you're talking about the Northern plains, you ought to consider that Scandinavian social ideas may have been more of an influence than skin color (though Republicans shouldn't write those states off any more than the Northeast). But in any case, Republicans ought to strive against being identified as the party of one race against the others.

On the whole, though, there is some sense in what you say.

41 posted on 11/08/2012 1:34:59 PM PST by x
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To: radpolis

There is no “conservative paradox”. Both Reagan and GW Bush won running as fiscal and social conservatives. Conservatism isn’t the problem, it’s the solution. The challenge is getting the right candidate to sell it. That person has to believe down in his/her gut in that conservative message and be willing to implement it once elected.

Abortion is not a woman’s issue. No one SERIOUSLY believes that killing babies is okay.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 1:39:05 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: radpolis

“This is the paradox.”

We should come to accept what we find odious, learn to flatter and cozen like Democrats and their tin god? How long will you wrestle with your indecision?
One man standing alone with the truth is a majority. 1 Kings 18:21
No one here will bend the knee to Obama or his followers. There are other forces at work in this world than evil. Stand true and your paradox will work itself out.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 1:44:42 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Mike Huckabee posted these on his facebook page. Comments?

Mike Huckabee
There is a lot to be disappointed by in the election results this evening and I am disappointed, but not despondent.

Tonight’s results only remind me that our country has slipped into a deeper state of dependence on government than I wanted to believe. Where the Goliath of government has grown so too has our dependency.

It’s also increasingly apparent to me that our real problems are not politic
al, but spiritual. Both parties have failed to acknowledge that. Democrats have not wanted to even acknowledge the need for God in our public institutions, but sadly, many of the Republican leadership will acknowledge God, but not because they believe we should be humble before Him, but to use God in our speeches and platforms. We wear our love of Israel like a badge of courage but on the issues of life and marriage too many of our leaders are more like lambs than Lions of Judah.

Well now maybe our Republican Party will look at itself in the mirror. I feel that we shouldn’t pack up and quit, but gear up and get ready for the next battle. That’s what we do as people of faith and a party of principle. We don’t stop believing what we believe. We do a better job of doing what we’re supposed to do. That’s how you attract voters and win elections. And that is how you save America from herself.

Mike Huckabee
The Good Fight Continues

Like you, I am disappointed in the results of Tuesday’s election. But we fought hard for the issues we believe so strongly in. That fight is one that will continue. I intend to be an active participant in fighting for the values that conservatives value - the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, the Second Amendment, limited government, reduced spending, and all of
our core principles.

Huck PAC and I will continue to fight the good fight. We will be a voice for conservative values. Don’t let anyone tell you that conservative social values don’t matter anymore. They do matter. They continue to be the bed rock of our society. And they are worth fighting for.

Stay involved, keep the faith, and continue to fight the good fight!


44 posted on 11/08/2012 1:52:30 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: Longbow1969

Wrong again, Longbow. It’s the Republicans who are a pathetic joke.

The CP (or maybe another third party) may be small french fries now, but that’s all going to change. The reason nobody knows about them is they never got any play in the media, including FOX and talk radio.

But when the time comes they get some honest exposure nationally, red-blooded Americans of all races and walks of life will be drawn to them like bees to honey. Why? Because most people want to be free and to rise up as far as their talents and wits allow them to. There’s no dignity in handouts.

Republicans had more than 20 years to wise up and follow in Reagan’s footsteps. They blew it. It’s doubtful they had any intention of returning the U.S. to its former glory anyway. Either they don’t care of they do care but are afraid to fight for what’s good for the country.

The GOP’s day has come and gone. Did you know that millions of registered Republicans stayed home on Tuesday in what was probably the most critical election of our lifetime? What does that tell you?


45 posted on 11/08/2012 2:00:18 PM PST by MichaelCorleone ('We the People' can and will take this country back...starting today.)
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To: radpolis

RINO File.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 2:19:19 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: radpolis

Here’s the Conservative Paradox...First we need to WIN to change things...Why aren’t we winning...because we are proposing social engineering in our National platform when that is not what we should be about. We need to be more inclusive and appear less imperious.

We need to be more Libertarian, not Liberal, to be more inclusive. Most people ARE generally conservative by nature. We all know that Conservative principles are sound, founded upon tradition and universality.

The single issue that, IMHO, hurts us the most is our appearance of being monolithic (at least that’s the perception) in preaching about birth control and abortion . Yes...I know...51% of the population believes abortion is wrong but in every election that issue is used to beat us over the head. Murdock lost in Indiana because of his rape comment;same with Akin in Missouri. That would have been two more Senate seats. It has to be worth 5 points nationally.

Why do we lose among young single women? Married women? Hispanic women? Why should there be a gap? Exit polls say that their “Perception” of the Republican position IS monolithic. We give our enemies an issue when there doesn’t have to be one. We are the party of freedom; we believe in the Bill of Rights. So if we refuse denial of our right to keep and bear arms, for instance, how can we say that it is OK to deny the freedom one has over there body. We have to be consistent...AND TAKE THE ISSUE AWAY FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

New Republican plank on Abortion and Birth Control:

The Republican Party believes that Abortion and Birth Control are within the realm of one’s freedom and right to make decisions about their own body and that this is consistent with the support and belief in the Bill of Rights and all other indivdual freedoms as well as responsibilities. We also respect the religious choices of indivduals in regard to this freedom. We believe , therefore, that Federal government has absolutely no role in financing, determining, supporting, opposing or legislating for or against birth control or abortion one way or another. We further believe that the states should be responsible for providing the usual guidelines protecting the health of individuals.

The rest of our issues DO resonate with the electorate. This isn’t abandoning principle...it is a restatement of principle....Individual Freedom...which is exactly what the founders wanted.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 2:52:51 PM PST by firefox ((Vote Democrat...Its Easier Than Thinking!))
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To: MichaelCorleone
The CP (or maybe another third party) may be small french fries now, but that’s all going to change.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah, right. LOL. You keep dreaming there pal.

3rd party's don't work in our winner take all system that does not allow for coalition government. Never really has, never will. A major party went down once and was quickly replaced be another - which immediately became the 2nd leg of our 2 party system. Geeze, even Ron Paul figured this out. Heck, even the LaRouchies knew it which was why they ran as Democrats.

Every election people cry, whine, flail and wail about creating or joining a 3rd party and it never amounts to squat.

48 posted on 11/08/2012 3:55:46 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: firefox

I don’t much like Ron Paul, but I do like the concept of a “Liberty” movement. I like your idea of branding us as the party of freedom and attacking abortion from a fiscal angle. If we can get the government to stop paying for it as a domestic economic matter, it would be a heck of a lot more progress than we’ve had fighting about it as a moral issue.


49 posted on 11/08/2012 4:01:15 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Thanks...but I am definitely not a Ronbot. Yes...we probably would be more successful addressing matters in a more practical framework with the MTV genereation.

But don’t miss the political point...we still address it as a political issue in the context of Individual Freedom as opposed to Social Justice and Collectivity.

It still is genuine but more translatable. To me it is THE ONE issue that prevents us from being formidable.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 4:26:53 PM PST by firefox ((Vote Democrat...Its Easier Than Thinking!))
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