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Before we declare the GOP dead...

Posted on 11/08/2012 9:18:24 AM PST by TigerClaws

and continue with "They have to dump Evangelicals", "They have to embrace evangelicals","They have to become more fiscally liberal", "No, they have to be truly fiscally conservative", "They'll never win the presidency again and the demographics have doomed them", take a look at the numbers.

As of right now, only 2,841,121 votes separate the two. That's 2 percentage points, 2 percentage points of the total. Hardly an insurmountable hurdle in future elections. That relatively small number is not an indication that America has turned against the GOP and is convincingly on the side of becoming a Western European style nanny state. In a growing country, Obama has yet to match Bush's vote total from 2004. I know more votes are being counted, but Obama is way off his 2008 pace.

Romney lost the swing states he needed by a combined 373,141 votes. Ohio -100,142 Florida -47,016 Virginia -112,884 Colorado -113,099

A mere 373,200 votes could have the Dems singing the same song the GOP is singing today. And they'd be frustrated over the loss of 9 million votes for Obama as of now.

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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"As of right now, only 2,841,121 votes separate the two. That's 2 percentage points, 2 percentage points of the total. Hardly an insurmountable hurdle in future elections.

You're assuming, of course, that obama will not run again (I know he's not supposed to, but he just might just ordain it so); And, you're assuming that there will even BE another election in this country.
41 posted on 11/08/2012 10:48:15 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: cvq3842
I remember one pundit saying that whichever party wins this election will be out of power for a long time afterwards, because the fiscal bomb is going to go off soon no matter what.

I think there is some merit to that. Even a dumbed down electorate who forgets what happened yesterday or gets programmed daily on what to think by the MSM will likely come to understand the deceit when they have suffered from severe pain, deprivation and disruption in their lives.

I told a friend last night that we will ALL be conservatives in 6 to 8 years, even a good portion blacks and Latinos. Only trouble is, it will be too late by then.

42 posted on 11/08/2012 10:52:23 AM PST by RatRipper (RE Obama: Romney just can't beat the lying, commie SOB bad enough to suit me. . . .)
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To: nickcarraway
If the GOP couldn't win with an incumbent with 8% unemployment and a bad economy, then how can they win.

The choice was this - A Massachusetts liberal, or a Chicago liberal. They were smart enough to know these were their choices, so why bother to vote?

It doesn't matter what a politician says during a campaign. It's what they've SHOWN themselves to be is what matters.

Most people figured it really wouldn't matter. Not one of them was Moses. Not one of them would free the tax slaves. Their livelihood would still be stolen from them and their families. Nothing would have changed.

43 posted on 11/08/2012 10:53:59 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Daveinyork
I’ve seen the Deocrat ground game. I was judge of elections in a majority Democrat precinct during the 2000 election. I only got the position because the Dems in my precinct were too lazy to do it.

The Dems were bringing people to the polling place, talking them into requesting their help, and then going into the voting booth to make sure they voted right. They were taking absentee ballots into nursing homes, and filling them out for the dementia patients.

Until the GOP matches this activity, except for the dementia patients, the GOP will lose the important elections.

But you're a paranoid "black helicopter guy" if you "believe" in vote fraud, don't you know? Just toss it in, will ya? Most Americans are children and we conservatives must necessarily hold the majority of our fellow countrymen in contempt. GET WITH THE PROGRAM!

/sarcasm

44 posted on 11/08/2012 10:55:17 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Cicero
The problem is not a lack of conservative voters. The problem is that the Karl Roves who run the party keep shooting themselves in the foot and turning away their base.

Yep. The tax slaves have no one to represent them. They have no one to vote for. They end up paying more and more every year, no matter who wins.

45 posted on 11/08/2012 10:58:03 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: cdcdawg

“because they are already misreading Tuesday’s results, and will do the exact wrong things to correct it. Stupid Party.”

Took the words right off my brain. The RNC lost me when they allowed the extreme left-winger Romney to even run. They don’t listen, and I won’t support left wingers no matter which party they come from.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 10:58:43 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
Take a position. Be proud of it. Stick to it. Explain it. Sell it. The GOP can be either pro-life, or pro-abortion -- but they should go in 100% on whichever they choose. And if they choose to be pro-abortion, I'll choose third party.

LOLOL! {^)

Amen.

47 posted on 11/08/2012 10:59:27 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: nascarnation
They are now larger than blacks as a bloc, and 70% plus Dem voters, and growing fast.

That constitutes a ticking time-bomb deep within the bowels of the Democrat Party.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 11:02:45 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TigerClaws
There isn't one answer to this problem. Why did 3 million - 3 million! - white GOP voters stay home with quite possibly the worst president in our country's history on the ballot? The GOP has to figure that out. But, they also need to acknowledge that the white GOP vote is shrinking due very much to the life cycle, and the minority vote is growing due in part to illegal immigration. They do need to figure out how to get through to some of these people - hispanics and asians, at least, blacks are a lost cause - otherwise, they will indeed be a minority party going forward. And, there has to be a housecleaning at the top of the GOP, at the very least, but we all know that won't happen. But there isn't one answer to the GOP's problems.
49 posted on 11/08/2012 11:04:41 AM PST by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“Too many” evangelicals were too good to vote for a Mormom.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 11:06:01 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: RatRipper
Polls show that, when adjusted for income, hispanics vote Republican in the same percentages as whites do. So there is some hope there, maybe.

I agree that life just got a lot harder for all of us, including the “middle class” who thought Obama was going to help them. If people wanted to be like Europe, they may get it - high taxes, high prices, low wages, high unemployment. With one big difference: there will be no USA to foot the bill for our defense, or anyone’s.

All I can do is remind myself that Americans in the past have faced worse conditions, and much longer odds, than these. And they prevailed. We will have to keep trying, which is why I replied to, and agreed with, your post. I felt terrible yesterday. I still feel bad. The future will be a lot tougher than it could have been. But I want to be worthy of the sacrifices my ancestors made. I hope I have the strength, courage and wisdom to do that.

If I don't, then I was not worthy of the country bestowed to me and my family.

51 posted on 11/08/2012 11:06:32 AM PST by cvq3842 (Thanks for all responses, and flames, in advance.)
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To: TChris
I'm sorry folks, but I believe we have openly seen the tip of a large Democrat fraud iceberg.

You said it, Brother FReeper.

This country would look a lot different today if votes had been honestly tallied for the past two decades.

52 posted on 11/08/2012 11:06:36 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: RatRipper
One last thought: it was Walter Mondale, of all people, who said that every victory carries the seeds of defeat, and every defeat the seeds of victory.

I am not wearing rose-colored glasses, but I have to find something positive. And there are some positives. At least we have the House; if Boehner has no spine, enough of his delegation does to keep him somewhat in line. I hope.

53 posted on 11/08/2012 11:10:00 AM PST by cvq3842 (Thanks for all responses, and flames, in advance.)
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To: concerned about politics
No, no, no, you're all wrong -- it was because Romney made a lousy choice for VP! That's why he lost!

/sarcasm

The nastiest and most indisidious element in this is that it has a majority, the tax slave voters who know enough to realize when they're voting against their own interests -- mostly smart, productive, good, moral Americans -- convinced it's a minority surrounded by "children" who wanted Santa Claus. How many of those "children" are pure fiction spun out of vote fraud?

I see all kinds of crybaby crap about how "most" Americans are stupid enough to have elected Obama and advanced liberalism ... but if "most" Americans really were that way, why do Democrts have to cheat?

The most insidious thing about this vote fraud is that it has folks holding their own countrymen in contempt on a false premise.

The more evidence of vote fraud, the more evidence that indeed we are the majority and that Rush's "children" who wanted "Santa Claus" are a cheating bunch of folks who make up less than half of this great nation.

54 posted on 11/08/2012 11:15:49 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Sarabaracuda
No one on this forum has condemned anti Mormon rhetoric on this forum any more than I have. If the problem exists here it certainly exists elsewhere.

I voted against Barack Obama only after months of soul searching, not for Romney.

I did not want to vote for Mitt Romney, but his religion was not among my several reasons.

55 posted on 11/08/2012 11:16:36 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: TigerClaws

If it’s this close with a closet commie Muslim and a liberal Republican as the choices, what do you think it will be like if we ever run a conservative? The choices were stark, the economy speaks for itself, yet people still chose the commie Muslim even over a “moderate” Republican-do we have to run a democrat to win? Hurrah for the one-party government.


56 posted on 11/08/2012 11:19:33 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Major Matt Mason
But there isn't one answer to the GOP's problems.

Yes, there is. There's an entire nation of tax slaves busting their as$es to pay their bills, because 50% of their wages are stolen from them in some kind of tax or government fee, and it never goes away.
They have to support THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT and THE ENTIRE DEMOCRAT BASE before they even get their paychecks. It's all taken from them first - they get to keep the meager left overs for themselves. Even worse, those freeloaders are collecting @$40 - $60,000 a year per freeloading "family." They've never worked a day in their life! They've never done anything for anyone - not even themselves!

Neither party speaks for them. They're born, they go to school, they get used as slaves for the rest of their lives, and they die.
Vote? Vote for what? For who? Nobody wants to free the slaves. If they did, the entire government establishment would lose their jets, mansions, Delmonico steaks, fine wines, and caviar!!!! They'd lose their ability to buys votes from the freeloaders off backs of the slaves. They would lose everything.

Slavery is alive and well in this country. The only thing that's changed is the group that's been chosen to do the laboring.

57 posted on 11/08/2012 11:20:52 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: TigerClaws

“My message to the GOP: Do NOT take advice from liberal Democrats. They are not interested in your success in the future. They are interested in your destruction.”

Come on now...if gop leaders cannot see clearly that Romney was too weak, they do not belong in politics!


58 posted on 11/08/2012 11:21:00 AM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Sarabaracuda
“Too many” evangelicals Americans were too good weary to vote for a Mormom yet another nanny state liberal tyrant.

There. Fixed it for you.

59 posted on 11/08/2012 11:26:39 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: TChris

What amazes me is that reports were that long lines and heavy turnout were reported, both for early voting and on election day. Yet the total vote count is millions less than voted in 2008. Something doesn’t add up.

It is curious that Obama carried every single battleground state. Somehow it all worked out for Obama.


60 posted on 11/08/2012 11:28:04 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego ('s)
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