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Before we declare the GOP dead...

Posted on 11/08/2012 9:18:24 AM PST by TigerClaws

and continue with "They have to dump Evangelicals", "They have to embrace evangelicals","They have to become more fiscally liberal", "No, they have to be truly fiscally conservative", "They'll never win the presidency again and the demographics have doomed them", take a look at the numbers.

As of right now, only 2,841,121 votes separate the two. That's 2 percentage points, 2 percentage points of the total. Hardly an insurmountable hurdle in future elections. That relatively small number is not an indication that America has turned against the GOP and is convincingly on the side of becoming a Western European style nanny state. In a growing country, Obama has yet to match Bush's vote total from 2004. I know more votes are being counted, but Obama is way off his 2008 pace.

Romney lost the swing states he needed by a combined 373,141 votes. Ohio -100,142 Florida -47,016 Virginia -112,884 Colorado -113,099

A mere 373,200 votes could have the Dems singing the same song the GOP is singing today. And they'd be frustrated over the loss of 9 million votes for Obama as of now.

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I clearly recall the Democrats' jumping off the cliff after their loss in 2004. In fact there were a few suicides reported by Dem voters. They were all hand wringing and cowering at the prospect that the country had permanently lurched to the right. Those doomsayers were obviously wrong though.

If we look at all federal elections since the turn of the century, the GOP has won 4, while the Democrats have won 3. Hardly the sign of a dying party. History suggests that 2014 will be another victory for the GOP.

Sure there are problems that need to be addressed but to suggest that this is a death knell is going too far at this time.

The papers are full of columns today by liberal writers on the topic "This is what the Republican Party must do to succeed in the future."

My message to the GOP: Do NOT take advice from liberal Democrats. They are not interested in your success in the future. They are interested in your destruction.

Conversely, when Republicans win (like 2010) I never read columns by conservatives advising Dems what they should do in order to win in the future.

The primaries are killing us. Candidates have to say things that'll only hurt them in the general election to satisfy one issue voting groups like pro lifers (which I support but not to the exclusion of losing an election).

Ground game. We need an ongoing ground game like the Democrats have. Too much time to get it started up each election.

Diverse candidates. Cruz, Rubio, Jindal. Why are Asian Americans voting for Democrats? We should own that demographic - educated, hardworking, American dream. A young candidate that can go on Leno, Letterman, etc. and be comfortable.

Conservative news should focus on layoffs, the economy, poor jobs reports. Chasing birth certificates is a distraction and doesn't help the cause. People care about what immediately effects them and their family.

The vote was a status quo election. Nothing changed. Back where we were.

Democrats want us to implode or become 'Democrat Lite' which won't work.

This is a hard loss. We can rebound.

1 posted on 11/08/2012 9:18:26 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

They already have dumped many Evangelicals, perhaps too many.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 9:24:50 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: TigerClaws

I’ve seen the Deocrat ground game. I was judge of elections in a majority Democrat precinct during the 2000 election. I only got the position because the Dems in my precinct were too lazy to do it.

The Dems were bringing people to the polling place, talking them into requesting their help, and then going into the voting booth to make sure they voted right. They were taking absentee ballots into nursing homes, and filling them out for the dementia patients.

Until the GOP matches this activity, except for the dementia patients, the GOP will lose the important elections.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 9:25:41 AM PST by Daveinyork (.)
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To: TigerClaws

Two Things:

1. Nothing will change unless the media becomes honest again and there is no chance of that.

2. The margin is razor thin at best, there is no conservative on the horizon that can properly articulate what they need to and, there are still a million illegals coming in every year. Not to mention there are a million LEGALS immigrating here every year too. They are probably registered as Dimocrats upon receiving their citizenship (700,000 per year).


4 posted on 11/08/2012 9:26:57 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: TigerClaws

Oh, and when a suspected Republican went into the voting booth to assist a voter, they sent lawyers to make sure it didn’t happen again and to make sure the Dems could continue to do it, and to make sure that my job was as difficult as possible.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 9:28:38 AM PST by Daveinyork (.)
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To: TigerClaws

I am ready to declare them dead, because they are already misreading Tuesday’s results, and will do the exact wrong things to correct it. Stupid Party.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 9:29:19 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: subterfuge

Yes Hispanics (legal and illegal) have changed the landscape.
(bad pun)

They are now larger than blacks as a bloc, and 70% plus Dem voters, and growing fast.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 9:29:19 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: TigerClaws
The primaries are killing us. Candidates have to say things that'll only hurt them in the general election to satisfy one issue voting groups like pro lifers

There is an assumption there that "talking the pro-life talk" hurts politicians who want to be elected.

I reject that. I think that most Americans are pro-life, and I think that candidates who are very open about partial birth abortion and other aspects of the cause, would reap big benefits at the polls.

Our problem, IMHO, is that we too often try it both ways. Mitt is pro-life. He's also pro-choice. Okay, he just turned off close to 100% of the people. Sure, maybe some people would vote for him based on other issues -- but would there be enthusiasm? Anyone can look as his "position" on abortion and shake their head and say, "I might vote for him if he felt differently." It's a lose-lose situation because he's squishy.

Take a position. Be proud of it. Stick to it. Explain it. Sell it. The GOP can be either pro-life, or pro-abortion -- but they should go in 100% on whichever they choose.

And if they choose to be pro-abortion, I'll choose third party.

8 posted on 11/08/2012 9:30:20 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: TigerClaws
I like you post. But!

The Democrats have been working to this time in space for over 100 years. They look for the long term.

Solution! First, the Republicans need to begin developing a strong, nationwide, state by state machine.

Next, there needs to be common theme that runs through each of the state's machine, but tweaked for local conditions. Then the national machine needs to give the local machine all the support it can muster.

Finally, there needs to be some control at the primary level to keep the number of ego-centric doofusses who want to run for President out and only let those who really represent the constituents run. In that way, resources are saved and those who are qualified to run and win don't slice and dice and injure each other like what just occurred in the Republican primary race this year.

9 posted on 11/08/2012 9:31:02 AM PST by Parmy
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To: TigerClaws

Democrats were minus 8 million votes from 2008. They basically phoned in a victory for Nobama. They had this election on cruise-control. Didn’t even work up a sweat. Insert your own cliche here...

I’m of the opinion that if Mitt went hard-ball instead of the soft approach he took? We’d have lost millions of more votes. Next time should we run a combo of Palin, Newt, Bachmann and a re-incarnated Ronald Reagan?

Sure. Lose by 15-20 million that way.

Face it. The Takers outnumber the Makers in this country. And we are running as fast as we can to catch up to Europe and their failed social and economic problems.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 9:31:09 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: TigerClaws
1) We need to do something about the Corrupt 95% liberal media. This year they were on FM radio reporting nothing but anti-romney slanted news during commercial breaks.

2) Romney's horrible primary against Newt. Why are people not talking about this??? Especially in Iowa and Florida (both key states Republicans would have won). It's ridiculous to waste so much money in negative ads against a party member. It turned off Republicans that would have been way more gung ho for Romney when the primaries were over and also gave anti-republicans lots of ammo.




11 posted on 11/08/2012 9:31:34 AM PST by Democrats hate too much
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To: TigerClaws
turn out the base 3 million stay home and stop nominating libs
12 posted on 11/08/2012 9:34:02 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: subterfuge
Nothing will change unless the media becomes honest again and there is no chance of that.

Please point me to this magical time when the media was ever honest?

They were fairly pro-American during WW2, but I'd argue that is because of Hollywood's sympathy with the Soviet Union and it means they and our government had a common enemy in the Axis powers.

There is probably more conservative media right now than there has ever been. Is the mainstream media and entertainment establishment biased? Yes indeed. Is it a huge assist to the left? Absolutely. Is it ever going to change? Nope. The problem is the people who are attracted to fields like journalism, education, and arts are by and large folks that spend time trying to "empathize with the human condition" and those people will almost always be liberal.

13 posted on 11/08/2012 9:35:31 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: TigerClaws

Until the GOP-e brings a true conservative forth to run for Prez they lose, lose, lose.

Remember Bob “Let’s make a deal” Dole? How about John McCain?


14 posted on 11/08/2012 9:36:42 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: TigerClaws

The GOP is dead, and so is America.

Nothing my parents taught me means anything at all.

We are ruled by Jerry Springer and his whoot whoot guests.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 9:37:00 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: TigerClaws

The people how are declaring the GOP dead, are mostly the same people who make those same pronouncements after every election, when the party that lost, has to reexamine why they lost. This time, it’s mostly the liberals and the little faith republicans who believe that, the GOP is in trouble.

But, they fail to point at the biggest and best indicator about where the real strengths for the parties lie. The house of representatives is very comfortably controlled by the republicans, and a party in trouble would not have that kind of lead or control. To boot, the house is where one can make the claim the best that, “all politics is local”, because, most of that is where the politicians best represent where how the people feel. It’s the people at local levels who decide the direction in which they want to have the country headed, and, when it comes to the larger picture, meaning the entire country, if one were to take away California (as an example), then the country would be more conservative than what the re-election of Obama purportedly says. California is an outlier, and not indicative of how most of the country feels. California is the equivalent of having a Spain or a Greece in the middle of our politics.

Perhaps the best solution to the perception that the GOP is in trouble, is to, either vote California out of the union, or to just simply shrug it off and concentrate on not repeating the same mistakes of the last election, and we can for sure do a lot better than a northeast “moderate” republican for our candidate.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 9:37:54 AM PST by adorno
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To: TigerClaws

Hey, Romney lost because he didn’t pay taxes for 10 years. /hr


17 posted on 11/08/2012 9:38:22 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: TigerClaws

Future elections are irrelevant.

4 more years of Bozo the Clown guarantees permanent entrenchment of fraud and a financial path to ruin.

This election has changed my future voting behavior. No more GOP.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 9:39:50 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: TigerClaws
Reince Priebus is weak & AWOL!

This guy is next to useless!!

Talk about leading from behind!

19 posted on 11/08/2012 9:40:51 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TigerClaws

The GOP is dead, the republic is dead, America is dead. It’s our own fault.

No one ever wins by trying not to lose. We should have embraced conservative, moral, liberty-based positions, and did the hard work of convincing the idiots that our ideas ARE BETTER.

Moving to the middle, nominating the guy we believed “could win” (without changing any hearts & minds, or taking any truly conservative positions) is what killed us.

Good riddance to us.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 9:43:21 AM PST by Hugh the Scot
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To: TigerClaws
When Rush first started his radio program, no one thought it would ever succeed. They said no one wanted to hear his right wing opinions. They said people in this country would just get angry and turn him off.

WRONG! Instead, millions of people tuned in. FINALLY! Someone who thinks like them!

The GOP is forgetting real America. They think if they go "RUSH", "people will get angry and turn them off".
They believe this because they have no idea what's going on outside the beltway. A poll here, and a poll there gives them their illusion of "reality. "

The GOP is dieing because there's an entire nation waiting for someone to finally come along and actually speak out and represent them.

Today, we have far left wing socialists/ communists, or too far to the left wing Republicans. That's it. There are no politicians representing real, hard working American taxpayers - the slave force, those who are forced to support it all.

Greater America is suffering while they await their Moses - one who will free the tax slaves , so they can FINALLY say "Free, free, free at last. Thank God all mighty we're free at last. "

21 posted on 11/08/2012 9:45:30 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: TigerClaws

The big difference now is that there is a likely economic catastrophe looming, particularly for the small business sector, the completion of the healthcare takeover, looting the citizens with artificially low interest rates, printing money and inflation, and the likely finishing touches on dismantling the Constitution.

The Democrats have almost run the table on the safeguards that keep us free and strong. I really don’t see anything much standing in their way now.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 9:47:13 AM PST by RatRipper (RE Obama: Romney just can't beat the lying, commie SOB bad enough to suit me. . . .)
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To: TigerClaws

There will be no reboumd our chance came and went, the GOP has no balls, ignors the obvious, the moron party is dead, as Boehner is waving the white flag.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 9:49:06 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: cdcdawg
I am ready to declare them dead, because they are already misreading Tuesday’s results, and will do the exact wrong things to correct it. Stupid Party.

Yep. Popular vote was split right down the middle. Going left or "changeing to a more socialist aganda" is NOT going to get them more voters. In fact, middle America is going to flee from them even more than it already has.

24 posted on 11/08/2012 9:49:28 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: TigerClaws

And here’s the funny thing. Basically 10M people fewer turnout out to vote, compared to 2008. But looking over the exit polling, there’s no clear “group” that stayed home.

Evangelicals are getting blamed, but they represented a higher percentage of the electorate in 2012 than in 2008 (though within the MOE), and were pretty much the most “Romney” crosstab of all, outside of self-identified Republicans. Even more so than Mormons (but again, inside the MOE on that).

With a few top-line exceptions (Democrats were more for Obama in 2012 than in 2008, Republicans likewise for Romney over McCain, and Romney +5 with independents compared to McCain’s -8), there wasn’t a whole lot of shift in the various subgroups as to support.

So the answer really isn’t as simple as “we needed more from group X”, because both sides can say that about groups A-Z. The real question is why 10M people stayed home and what would have gotten the right portion of them to the polls?


25 posted on 11/08/2012 9:49:28 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: TigerClaws

IMO the successful Asian-American demographic is inclined to follow whatever also motivates the successful Jewish vote:

1) They believe in their collective intellectual superiority, which also almost by definition means they believe in the relative intellectual inferiority of other groups.

2) Given that, they don’t think all groups can succeed on a level playing field.

3) Therefore, they think the only way for racially and ethnically based resentment not to endanger their own relatively greater success is to buy off the less fortunate groups with government-provided and liberally-justified benefits.

4) Fortunately for them, the costs of this can be spread across the entire tax-paying populace, though they as a successful minority are prime beneficiaries.

The first three of the four have been straight out detailed to me by successful Jews. I think it is easy for Asians to think the same way, even if not quite fully consciously.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 9:53:13 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: subterfuge

It more basic then that. 49% of the populace wants a free ride. They will vote so as to continue that free ride.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 9:57:41 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt.)
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To: TigerClaws
Romney lost the swing states he needed by a combined 373,141 votes.

And yet we are to believe that its impossible that such numbers could be attributed to fraud?

I'm sorry folks, but I believe we have openly seen the tip of a large Democrat fraud iceberg. When you add up the direct impact of such activities and the secondary effect on voter turnout and enthusiasm, it should be very clear that we need to seriously address the voter fraud problem.

I find it very suspect that presidential election results have been so evenly divided as of late. Is it really reasonable for it to be so close, over and over again?

Scoff at conspiracy theories if you like, but Obambi didn't get to be a political powerhouse in Chicago because he plays fair. Something is very suspect, in my mind.

28 posted on 11/08/2012 10:04:48 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris

I agree 100%. Not as if people didn’t either suspect or see this coming. Nothing will be done - yelled at to take our sour grapes and forward on.

That was it.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 10:17:08 AM PST by Sheapdog
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To: TigerClaws
Nearly half of America voted for the GOP, and the other half didn't.

The president and his party have no mandate.

Congress shouldn't shrink away from reminding them of that reality.
30 posted on 11/08/2012 10:17:43 AM PST by indthkr
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To: kevkrom
The real question is why 10M people stayed home and what would have gotten the right portion of them to the polls?

They're tax slaves. They KNOW not one politician is going to come out and cut the social programs and tell the freeloaders to get out and get their own jobs so the tax slaves could once again enjoy the fruits of their own labor.

The democrats tax, and the republicans toss the slaves a nice, new shiny coin once in awhile. They expect the filthy slaves to celebrate and sing joyous songs to their gracious Republican leaders.

Gee, the Republicans just can't figure out why no one bothers to vote for them anymore. "Why, the far left wing media must be right! We've got to go left and tax these people more! That should make them come out and vote for us again!". (DUH!!!)

31 posted on 11/08/2012 10:18:05 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: TigerClaws
You are echoing my thoughts - or I am echoing yours?

Yesterday was a very, very difficult day for me, personally, professionally and financially. I felt exceptionally low, and ready to give up on everything except God and my family. And to my shame, my faith was not as strong as it should have been either.

But it's time to stop p*ssing and moaning. We lost. It hurts. And the country will suffer.

But the game is not over, irretrievably and forever. We keep working and fighting, and being good Americans in our daily lives.

Yes, I have told my family that taxes will go up, prices will go up, and wages will go way down if there is work at all.

But I had myself a huge pity party yesterday, and am now trying to act like a grown up.

There will always be millions of us who believe in the Constitution and our values. We may have to suffer and not be whiners, for a time. Maybe the country is on the way down, with no hope. But what a shame it would be if we all curled up into a ball and gave up.

Fight the good fight - keep true to our ideals.

And yes, remember what happened to the Democrats (and the Republicans) after the 2004 defeat.

Whether people like me will have a home in the Republican party is not the issue. I honestly don’t know. But I am not going to spend every day thinking all is lost.

I will do what I can, and stay true to my principles. And the rest is in God's hands.

As a pep talk, it may be long on words and short on substance,. But I am done whining.

32 posted on 11/08/2012 10:22:53 AM PST by cvq3842 (Thanks for all responses, and flames, in advance.)
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To: TexasCajun

Priebus makes Michael Steele look like Lee Atwater. Never was there a weaker, more ineffectual RNC chair — and that includes the colorless Ed Gillespee and the guy who succeeded Lee (forgot his name)

Democrats had to defend 24 Senate seats...a golden opportunity for the GOP to gain and get Reed out of there and they came away +2.

Fire Priebus already


33 posted on 11/08/2012 10:25:07 AM PST by leanermike
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To: 9YearLurker

Lurker,
I have always wondered why Jews vote democrat all the time and I think I found the answer in your post. Great post!


34 posted on 11/08/2012 10:29:09 AM PST by angelrod
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To: RatRipper; TigerClaws

I remember one pundit saying that whichever party wins this election will be out of power for a long time afterwards, because the fiscal bomb is going to go off soon no matter what.

We are in deep trouble, but we need to keep fighting the good fight. Even if the worst happens, and we don’t see another free republic (pun intended) rise in the world for hundreds of years, we have to keep the dream alive and show our posterity that some people still cared about liberty, even in the age of Chavez, Putin, A-jad (Iran) and Obama,.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 10:32:49 AM PST by cvq3842 (Thanks for all responses, and flames, in advance.)
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To: leanermike

“...makes Michael Steele look like Lee Atwater.” Ha ha.


36 posted on 11/08/2012 10:34:48 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: TigerClaws
That's 2 percentage points, 2 percentage points of the total. Hardly an insurmountable hurdle in future elections.

It's not that the margin was so slim, it's that they lost their own wave elections. If the GOP couldn't win with an incumbent with 8% unemployment and a bad economy, then how can they win. If they can't win when everything's in their favor, how can they win?

37 posted on 11/08/2012 10:36:40 AM PST by nickcarraway
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I highly doubt the Dems have another Obama on their bench. Talking campaigning only here, not governing, but Bush was a GREAT campaigner, and no one running last time on the GOP side was even in the same ballpark. Candidates that win have sort of an “it” factor style. It is the thing that makes one side despise them, and one side almost “love” them.

Reagan had “it”, Bush the first did not. He benefited from Reagan popularity and running against Dukakis. Clinton had it (though I know he might have lost without Perot...so debate away), Gore did not. W Bush had it (and still almost last the first time), McCain/Romney did not. Obama had it, Biden doesn’t, and I don’t THINK Hillary has it....who does?....on either side? Not Jeb, Not Newt, not Cory Booker. I really don’t think Paul Ryan has it. Cuomo doesn’t. Santorum doesn’t. Who?

Rubio? Rand Paul? Palin? Remains to be seen. Who on the Dem side? No one saw Obama coming until 4-5 years before he won.

Sometimes it is more of a gut feeling rather than a scientific analysis.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 10:39:41 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: TigerClaws

I heartily agree. Two million votes (allegedly!) out of this entire nation are the only difference. We are not a socialist minded nation.

We are a divided nation.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 10:45:49 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: TigerClaws

The problem is not a lack of conservative voters. The problem is that the Karl Roves who run the party keep shooting themselves in the foot and turning away their base.

Again and again and again.

And one day after this disastrous election, they are continuing to come up with all the wrong answers and ignore the problems that are staring them in the face.


40 posted on 11/08/2012 10:46:47 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"As of right now, only 2,841,121 votes separate the two. That's 2 percentage points, 2 percentage points of the total. Hardly an insurmountable hurdle in future elections.

You're assuming, of course, that obama will not run again (I know he's not supposed to, but he just might just ordain it so); And, you're assuming that there will even BE another election in this country.
41 posted on 11/08/2012 10:48:15 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: cvq3842
I remember one pundit saying that whichever party wins this election will be out of power for a long time afterwards, because the fiscal bomb is going to go off soon no matter what.

I think there is some merit to that. Even a dumbed down electorate who forgets what happened yesterday or gets programmed daily on what to think by the MSM will likely come to understand the deceit when they have suffered from severe pain, deprivation and disruption in their lives.

I told a friend last night that we will ALL be conservatives in 6 to 8 years, even a good portion blacks and Latinos. Only trouble is, it will be too late by then.

42 posted on 11/08/2012 10:52:23 AM PST by RatRipper (RE Obama: Romney just can't beat the lying, commie SOB bad enough to suit me. . . .)
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To: nickcarraway
If the GOP couldn't win with an incumbent with 8% unemployment and a bad economy, then how can they win.

The choice was this - A Massachusetts liberal, or a Chicago liberal. They were smart enough to know these were their choices, so why bother to vote?

It doesn't matter what a politician says during a campaign. It's what they've SHOWN themselves to be is what matters.

Most people figured it really wouldn't matter. Not one of them was Moses. Not one of them would free the tax slaves. Their livelihood would still be stolen from them and their families. Nothing would have changed.

43 posted on 11/08/2012 10:53:59 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Daveinyork
I’ve seen the Deocrat ground game. I was judge of elections in a majority Democrat precinct during the 2000 election. I only got the position because the Dems in my precinct were too lazy to do it.

The Dems were bringing people to the polling place, talking them into requesting their help, and then going into the voting booth to make sure they voted right. They were taking absentee ballots into nursing homes, and filling them out for the dementia patients.

Until the GOP matches this activity, except for the dementia patients, the GOP will lose the important elections.

But you're a paranoid "black helicopter guy" if you "believe" in vote fraud, don't you know? Just toss it in, will ya? Most Americans are children and we conservatives must necessarily hold the majority of our fellow countrymen in contempt. GET WITH THE PROGRAM!

/sarcasm

44 posted on 11/08/2012 10:55:17 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Cicero
The problem is not a lack of conservative voters. The problem is that the Karl Roves who run the party keep shooting themselves in the foot and turning away their base.

Yep. The tax slaves have no one to represent them. They have no one to vote for. They end up paying more and more every year, no matter who wins.

45 posted on 11/08/2012 10:58:03 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: cdcdawg

“because they are already misreading Tuesday’s results, and will do the exact wrong things to correct it. Stupid Party.”

Took the words right off my brain. The RNC lost me when they allowed the extreme left-winger Romney to even run. They don’t listen, and I won’t support left wingers no matter which party they come from.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 10:58:43 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
Take a position. Be proud of it. Stick to it. Explain it. Sell it. The GOP can be either pro-life, or pro-abortion -- but they should go in 100% on whichever they choose. And if they choose to be pro-abortion, I'll choose third party.

LOLOL! {^)

Amen.

47 posted on 11/08/2012 10:59:27 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: nascarnation
They are now larger than blacks as a bloc, and 70% plus Dem voters, and growing fast.

That constitutes a ticking time-bomb deep within the bowels of the Democrat Party.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 11:02:45 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TigerClaws
There isn't one answer to this problem. Why did 3 million - 3 million! - white GOP voters stay home with quite possibly the worst president in our country's history on the ballot? The GOP has to figure that out. But, they also need to acknowledge that the white GOP vote is shrinking due very much to the life cycle, and the minority vote is growing due in part to illegal immigration. They do need to figure out how to get through to some of these people - hispanics and asians, at least, blacks are a lost cause - otherwise, they will indeed be a minority party going forward. And, there has to be a housecleaning at the top of the GOP, at the very least, but we all know that won't happen. But there isn't one answer to the GOP's problems.
49 posted on 11/08/2012 11:04:41 AM PST by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“Too many” evangelicals were too good to vote for a Mormom.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 11:06:01 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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