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All Five Constitutional Amendments Soundly Defeated - (Labor loss in Michigan)
Mackinac Center ^ | November 7, 2012 | Ted O'Neil

Posted on 11/08/2012 9:17:29 AM PST by re_tail20

All five constitutional amendments in Michigan were soundly rejected by voters Tuesday, including two that received heavy union backing that would have locked collective bargaining for government union employees and a dues skim that has taken $32 million from Michigan’s most vulnerable residents into the state constitution.

“Today, the voters of Michigan sent a clear message,” Labor Policy Director F. Vincent Vernuccio said of the Proposal 2 defeat. “The voters put workers, taxpayers and job creators above special interests. Michigan avoided making government unions a super-legislature that would have the ability to effectively veto laws passed by our elected representatives. The move also allows reforms to continue that will save taxpayers a projected $1.6 billion annually.”

Vernuccio also noted that with President Obama the projected winner at 53 percent in Michigan and Proposal 2 being defeated with close to 60 percent of the vote, this shows that many Democrats voted against labor’s interests.

"The defeat is a major setback for organized labor across the country and further shows that the reforms in states like Wisconsin and Indiana were not a blip, but a national trend that is gaining momentum," he added. “This is a sea change and shows that unions can't assume that Democrats will rubber stamp their agenda.”

Proposal 4, a scheme that would have allowed the SEIU to continue taking $6 million a year from family members who provide home-based care to loved ones, was also soundly rejected.

“Home health care options and a registry and training for care providers was not the issue here, but the SEIU chose to attach them to the poison pill of forced unionization and also attempted to preserve their scheme in the state constitution,” said Patrick J. Wright, director of the Mackinac Center Legal Foundation.

(Excerpt) Read more at mackinac.org ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: michiganlabor

1 posted on 11/08/2012 9:17:36 AM PST by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

Seriously, what in the hell is the point any more? We are about to be inundated with Executive Orders and administration maneuvering that will put the final nail in the coffin of the Constitution. What does it matter about Wisconsin or Michigan or any of those places? It’s Muslims, Democrats and minorities. Those people that are conservative had just better move someplace else because there ain’t nothing there no more.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 9:25:22 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Why should we leave Michigan when 95% of the state’s territory votes conservative?

Hell find someway to cede Detroit, Flint, and Saginaw to those morons in Ohio.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 9:40:20 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
I would have liked to see the emergency manager law stand. ended up voting yes on prop 5 (taxes) but wasn't really concerned 1 way or the other. That said, crushing the union proposals and green energy mandate made for a nice consolation prize.

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4 posted on 11/08/2012 9:42:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: re_tail20

While I don’t understand (and can never forgive) Michigan voters pulling the lever for Obama and Stabenow in 2012, I was pleased that they shot down the most dishonest ad campaign ever perpetrated - from the Detroit Free Press:

Voters have soundly rejected Proposal 6, the proposed constitutional amendment that businessman Manuel (Matty) Moroun pushed to delay or block the planned New International Trade Crossing bridge between Detroit and Windsor.

With 94% of the state’s precincts reporting, Proposal 6 failed 60%- 40%. A survey of select precincts around the state reported a similar margin of defeat, as did an Election Day poll of 800 actual voters by EPIC-MRA.

With 4796 of 5099 precincts reporting as of Wednesday morning, the count is 2,570,148 votes against the proposal 6 and 1,743,120 in favor.

The defeat marks a stinging rebuke to the 85-year-old Moroun, and makes it more likely that the NITC project backed by Gov. Rick Snyder and Canadian officials will now proceed unimpeded. Moroun’s committee spent more than $33 million on its Proposal 6 campaign, smashing the state record for the most spent by one side on a statewide ballot initiative.
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NOTE: Mouroun’s ads showed teachers and first responders suffering job cuts due to this proposal when no US dollars are involved. This bridge crossing is 100% funded by Canada.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 9:46:23 AM PST by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above - above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: VanDeKoik

We’re leaning more conservative every year. Fortunately the liberals are fleeing for warmer places like Georgia. LOL


6 posted on 11/08/2012 9:47:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: VanDeKoik

I can understand your frustration and the attitude of some of us outside Michigan, but unfortunately 95% of the territory doesn’t translate into an overall conservative win because of the infestation of your major urban areas.

It’s the same with California, New York, and a dozen other states. If you can’t enact a regional delegate structure where EC votes are proportional to territorial representation, then we’ll keep losing because of the urban roaches. The only alternative ptherwise is to abandon those areas and leave the roaches to their own devices.

The final option is to force a residency fee on entry on those states still worth it. A fee that lowlifes can’t pay.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 9:48:22 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: cripplecreek

Ha ha...you wish!


8 posted on 11/08/2012 9:49:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: VanDeKoik

Whatever you think about what’s going on in Michigan now wait until half your industry tries to relocate to the Goshen/Mishiwaka Super City ~ which is what it will turn into with Right to Work in Indiana and Captive Nations in Michigan.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 9:55:42 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: CreviceTool

I’m with you on Maroun. That guy makes bottom feeding scum look good.

First he claimed there’s no need for another bridge and finally settled on claiming that he wanted to build a second bridge (never mind the fact that Canada won’t let him build another right next to the first). Then he and Kwame Kilpatrick got caught conspiring to seize control of the tunnel. He also conspired with ACORN to put fake eviction notices on all the doors in DelRey to convince people that the state was kicking them out. That last stunt kind of backfired because a lot of people realized that they’ll get a better deal selling their homes under eminent domain than they’ll ever get on the open market. (DelRey is about as bad as it gets in Detroit)

As far as the cost is concerned, we do have to pay for the land on this end of the bridge but that’s because federal law prohibits Canada from buying it. In any case, its a spectacular deal that will actually produce revenue for everyone involved except Maroun.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 10:05:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: VanDeKoik

I resent you calling Ohioans morons. Romney would have won the state if it weren’t for Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) These large cities are killing our country.

However, the unions prevailed in OH in overturning the collective bargaining bill passed by our legislature. For that - the people in OH are morons. Having said that - the Republicans did very little in getting the truth out to the people of OH. They think teachers - good. cops - good - firefighters - good. They are clueless in understanding that they pay these people’s salaries and benefits which are more than what they make.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 10:10:19 AM PST by Catsrus (WANT)
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To: Gaffer

No, it’s true. Things like the cap on previously-endless cash welfare are driving the indigent-lifestyle crowd out of MI and into one of the few states still offering lifetime freebies.

Rick is actually getting business back in MI. That means jobs. People who work in jobs (often) get sick of liberal policies that steal their work, and means fewer welfare rats.

MI is, finally, turning. The remaining cancer is Detroit, which I still think should be walled off “Escape from New York” style.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 10:11:24 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: No.6

If it’s lowlifes coming here, then we don’t want them. If they’re conservative that’s a different story, but you can’t have it both ways, i.e., turning more conservative there and exporting your trash here....we won’t have it.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 10:14:00 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
The final option is to force a residency fee on entry on those states still worth it. A fee that lowlifes can’t pay.

There's a simple way to do that: withdraw from all state-administered welfare programs. Just eliminate them all. If there are no benefits, then the low-lifes won't come.

How long would Detroit stay a Dem hell-hole if Michigan refused to subsidize it, and people there were given a choice of work or starve?

14 posted on 11/08/2012 10:16:25 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: No.6

I’d say we’re less than 10 years from becoming a right to work state. There are even groups like the union conservatives pushing for it. In fact a good many union people had to vote against the pro union proposals to beat them they way we did.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 10:20:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: PapaBear3625

Election night, I opted to watch a few DVR’d programs instead of following the count-by-recount of the downfall of this country. They were three episodes of “The Walking Dead.”

I found them remarkably similiar to real-life today, only we aren’t free to shoot the zombies in the head yet.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 10:21:30 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Catsrus

You are right.

Ohio has the same boil as we do.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 10:23:32 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: cripplecreek

CrippleCreek - I am heartened by Michigan as the concerned citizens have shown that once you hit bottom - voters will gladly take the pledge. I don’t believe that Republicans nationally need to morph into the “outreach party” at all. Rather, we need to hold our principles dear and stand our ground, so when the dark blue states (first) and then the nation hits the wall in an epic financial collapse - responsible Republicans will be there to clean up.

I have properties and business ties in California, but I hope to change my tax and voting home as soon as I hit the magic 188-day mark. California is about to hit bottom and the voters will beg for a Republican to save the state when all hope is extinguished.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 10:25:24 AM PST by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above - above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: VanDeKoik

Maybe we should fight the Toledo strip war again. If we take a fall, maybe we can trick them into winning Detroit.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 10:28:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CreviceTool

Michigan and California are going to be an interesting experiment. We started in similar circumstances but are now heading in different directions. It should be very interesting to see how different they are in 10 years.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 10:35:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: re_tail20

Born and raised in Michigan, two degrees from UM. Sorry, but I think the state is a hopeless case. The left-wing nuts may all be confined to the Detroit/Flint axis, but they’re in the majority and always will be. Get out of there and don’t look back. We did, and have never had any regrets. Pretty state, nice people, but owned and operated by union thugs.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 10:59:12 AM PST by Rightwingacademic
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To: cripplecreek; VanDeKoik

Or maybe just go ahead and win and make them take the darn thing!


22 posted on 11/08/2012 11:28:17 AM PST by OldMissileer
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To: Rightwingacademic
Born and raised in Michigan, two degrees from UM. Sorry, but I think the state is a hopeless case. The left-wing nuts may all be confined to the Detroit/Flint axis, but they’re in the majority and always will be.

And yet, in Michigan we have a Republican governor, Repubs hold the Senate 26-12, and the House 64-46.

They could pass Right to Work tomorrow if they wanted.

23 posted on 11/08/2012 11:33:09 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: PapaBear3625

Good points, I admit. On the other hand, Michigan has two of the very worst U.S. Senators. Sorry to sound so critical — I love Michigan, and am disappointed and heart-sick for our family and friends who still live there (many of whom are out of work).


24 posted on 11/08/2012 11:50:06 AM PST by Rightwingacademic
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To: Rightwingacademic

If Rick Snyder copied Scott Walker and spearheaded making Michigan Right to Work, after all the screaming had died down he would have a lock on the 2016 pres nomination.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 11:55:22 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: PapaBear3625

A lot of FReepers have this instinctive reaction to talk out of their ass when they speak of Michigan. They may not know what they’re talking about but they know they’re right.

One good thing is the fact that being deserted by our fellow conservatives has created the special forces of conservatism. We fight for every inch and we’re winning behind enemy lines with no hope of resupply.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 12:05:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gaffer
I'll stand and fight thank you very much, let the idiots move to Cuba.

Rest assured, there will be a reset in our nation, soon, be prepared.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 1:12:11 PM PST by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: cripplecreek

I voted Y, N, N, N, Y, Y on the Mich proposals, and Y, N on the Grand Rapids City props.

Prop 6 didn’t make any mark on my mind until I heard a Demwit relative rant and rave against it. Detroit doesn’t need another effin’ bridge, unless someone wants to cough up the money and collect the tolls. The Canadians apparently want to build it, and won’t approve a second span by the existing bridge because it’s not hooked to their highway system.

It would be interesting to learn which was built first, the existing bridge or the Canadian highway. Sounds like gov’t stupidity in action. :’)


28 posted on 11/08/2012 6:47:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Gaffer

They’re not “our” trash; they moved to MI from other states when those states lowered the boom on free cash years ago.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 7:48:42 PM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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