Posted on 11/08/2012 8:56:45 AM PST by reegs
If Republicans don’t go along with calls by President Obama for higher taxes and the nation goes off a “fiscal cliff,” then the GOP is to blame, says a Democratic congressman.
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Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh said Wednesday it’s actually Democrat policies of massive borrowing and spending that’s pushing the nation over the edge.
“We are going over a financial cliff. Everybody in the Obama camp knows we are going over the financial cliff whether we raise taxes on the rich or not,” Limbaugh explained. “Raising taxes, confiscating the wealthy’s money would not save us. There isn’t the money. But this is how this works now. This is how they do it. … It’s not Obama, you see, whose policies are going to take us over the financial cliff. It’s these Republican creeps that won’t go along with tax increases.”
But will Republicans draw a line in the sand, or will they go along with tax hikes?
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My only question is, what does the crash of America actually look like? Riots? Banks of money? Police and Fire walking off of the job? Do governments quit paying workers? China calls debt or threatens war? What am I looking for that says, "Buckle up, Brace for impact."?
More unemployment; more violence and property crime; loss of public services, as some parks will raise rates or close.
I think it will be gradual-look at California and Illinois- the doors are still open, but it's getting more and more unbearable.
By 2014, there is going to be a lot of grumbling. The real question is, how long will people hold on to the idea that it's Bush's fault? Based on what we've seen so far, the Dems will still be clinging to that theory in 2016, and I'm not so sure it will be disputed.
Can't say when the impact will happen, but start planning now, if you haven't already.
I agree. Excellent idea.They need to quit allowing the dems to demonize them.
Let the dems own their folly.
Yes, the republicans are weak and by being governing cowardly, they are allowing the country to change. There were a lot of mistakes made early on. The Tea Party never got behind a true conservative, They said early on ABO. It did not work. So many problems the old guard caused as well. Jeb Bush, Rob Portland and Romney were running this campaign with a easy glove. They have about drove the car into the ditch. The ones in DC better become mean, strong (determined) and patriotic for once in their adult lives Before it is too late.
The Tea Party "officials" (whoever that is) recently put out some message about having conservatives stop sending money to the GOP. They could parlay that notion with the advertising suggestion. Start a campaign for former GOP donors to start funding a "conservative advertising" group. Start our own propaganda war. But use truth.
Dimocrats aren’t even trying to figure out HOW to NOT go over the cliff. In fact they’re going to use it as a political club to bash republi....I mean conservatives with.
I’m going Galt because I have no choice anyway.
Yep. That's the plan. We need only hasten the inevitable at this point. The only reason CA can even still write checks is because the FED is pumping CA with cash from tax revenue. When the FED can't write checks anymore because we lose more credit rating and can't barrow, workers walk and the govt. machine seizes. Greece in America ensues as we start using terms like "Austerity."
And when Boehner caves and signs us up for higher taxes, the Dems and the MSM will sing our praises, right?
FIGHT!!!
Don’t CAVE!!!
It will be painful for everyone for this to happen but I think it's inevitable. Let's get it done sooner rather than later.
I agree with most of what you are saying. They should still stand for Constitutional principles and make their points known, but if the population wants higher taxes, etc. abstain or vote present and let the Democrats alone vote to give America the final shove over the cliff.
America wanted the disaster that Obama calls for, so I say, let them have it, while at the same time hanging the ownership of the disaster fully on the neck of Obama and his followers.
So What ... those of us who know don’t really care what they say, and the rest of the people are Dimocrats anyway. This is a non issue.
At least we would be rid of Boehner. He hasn't stopped a penny of the trillions being borrowed since he's been in charge so what's the difference between him and Harry and Nancy?
I agree...embrace the cliff.
Draw a line and say NO to higher taxes, NO to raising the debt ceiling and NO to continuing resolutions.
Pass the Ryan budget again and say this is it. pass it or the hell with ya. Then recess for Christmas.
When Zero runs out of money, he can’t spend...they will shut down and we’ll get something accomplished.
They get blamed...so what? They will say that crap again anyway.
But if compromise is impossible, if the bills are looking bad, then the Republicans should "abstain" and allow bad bills to pass with nothing but Democrats voting Yes. That way the Left cannot point to bad law and say, "Hey, you guys voted for it too."
We're not helping the country when we lose elections. Maybe we should work toward helping the country understand that the Democrats -- and only the Democrats -- are taking us to a bad place.
What you say makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, for Democrats, compromise means "you Republicans just go along with whatever we propose, and if you don't then you are obstructing." Would abstaining be propagandized as obstructing? Good question. I think it was tried in the first 2 years when Pelosi was Speaker.
I don't think Boehner's up for the job. I would love to see Paul Ryan challenge him for Speakership in the next Congress.
“...I’ll swoop in to take up the better parts and work with others to make the best of the bad situation.”
The problem is that this is the exact situation that historically creats either fascist or communist dictatorships. There won’t be “better parts” to swoop in on because they and everything else will be controlled by a final power consortium that has consolidated all available resources. In our case, it will no doubt be a communist dictatorship.
The meme of “blame Republicans” goes back all the way to Herbert Hoover, and Democrats were still blaming him in 1948, some sixteen years AFTER he had been booted from the Presidency.
The blame even fell to some degree upon Eisenhower, but he also had the reputation of being somewhere between merely stupid and nearly senile, so all the venom was turned on Nixon. And this was WAY before Watergate.
When Nixon was finally elected to office, what had been the “JFK-LBJ war” suddenly became “Nixon’s war”, a strange transmutation which had taken place immediately after the 1968 election, when blame for the “defeat” resulting from the Tet offensive was seamlessly shifted without missing a stroke.
Gerald Ford, elevated to the Presidency through no effort of his own, was variously caricatured as a clumsy oaf, and as a complete idiot about foreign policy, was a good honest man, though a RINO at heart, that was excoriated mercilessly by a person who was by far his intellectual inferior, a grinning peanut farmer from the rustic plains of Georgia.
When Ronaldus Magnus handily defeated Carter in debate and in the polls in 1980, he was declared to be a “B-movie actor” and also some kind of intellectial inferior who could not stay focused on the job at hand. But he did negotiate a really great recovery program for the country, in the face of HUGE resistance from both the media and a majority-Democrat Congress. His successor, George H.W. Bush, made the error of crumbling to the demands of the liberals in the matter of his pledge, “no new taxes”.
It did not help that H. Ross Perot inserted himself in the 1992 race.
George Walker Bush was labeled a “fumblemouth” and regarded as a “legacy student” in his undergraduate and graduate studies at Yale, only because of family connections, not based on his intellectual capabilities. But again, he was WAY smarter and more accomplished than the two different candidates the Democrats put up in 2000 and 2004, yet this fact never sees light in print anywhere.
And yet, everything that has failed in the past four years is attributed to “Bush’s fault”, as if there had not been a Democrat majority in both the House and Senate since January 2007, a majority that carried over into the first half of the first term of Current Occupant of the White Hut.
And when is all this FINALLY going to become some kind of responsibility of the Democrats?
Easy and probably only answer - never.
Here's what Republicans should say :
“ Dems won and they are for raising taxes.
The Bush tax cuts expire in December and President Obama has made it a point many times that he thinks that these Bush tax cuts are bad policy and he wants them to expire. He said they destroyed the economy. He ran on that and won.
So there is nothing we can do. The people have spoken. Our hands are tied.
But we still think its bad policy to raise taxes. ”
Then secretly ask O how badly he needs the House to pass something.
Morons!
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