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GOP to be blamed for plunging off 'fiscal cliff'
WND ^ | 11/7/2012 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 11/08/2012 8:56:45 AM PST by reegs

If Republicans don’t go along with calls by President Obama for higher taxes and the nation goes off a “fiscal cliff,” then the GOP is to blame, says a Democratic congressman.

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Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh said Wednesday it’s actually Democrat policies of massive borrowing and spending that’s pushing the nation over the edge.

“We are going over a financial cliff. Everybody in the Obama camp knows we are going over the financial cliff whether we raise taxes on the rich or not,” Limbaugh explained. “Raising taxes, confiscating the wealthy’s money would not save us. There isn’t the money. But this is how this works now. This is how they do it. … It’s not Obama, you see, whose policies are going to take us over the financial cliff. It’s these Republican creeps that won’t go along with tax increases.”

But will Republicans draw a line in the sand, or will they go along with tax hikes?

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KEYWORDS: congress; fiscalcliff; gop; obama
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As Rush correctly points out, the Dems know we're in trouble financially no matter what happens and they plan on dumping the resulting mess in the GOP's lap.

I've we're going over the cliff anyway, I say Boehner should give Obama everything he wants. Let him and the entire Democrat party own the coming crash. It's going to hurt bad, but the sooner we bite this bullet, the quicker we can begin the recovery.

1 posted on 11/08/2012 8:56:53 AM PST by reegs
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To: reegs

Screw it. GOP will get blamed by the MSM no matter what they do. Time to burn it to the ground. Burn baby burn!


2 posted on 11/08/2012 8:58:07 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: reegs
I say Boehner should give Obama everything he wants. Let him and the entire Democrat party own the coming crash

I'm beginning to coming around to that line of reasoning.

3 posted on 11/08/2012 9:01:55 AM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: reegs

I’m tired of these games. America wants Obama’s super-charged Welfare State? Fine. Let the “Bush” tax cuts expire — ALL of them, including the middle and lower class tax cuts. Force America to choose — do you want low spending or high spending with the taxes that go with it? Because we are at the point where taxes on the “rich” aren’t going to even come close to paying for our current level of spending. Does America want a big middle class tax hike or does it want to cut spending. That’s what Republicans should put on the table. Quit playing Obama’s game that this is just about a tax hike on the “rich.”


4 posted on 11/08/2012 9:01:55 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: reegs

But will Republicans draw a line in the sand, or will they go along with tax hikes.

Seems to me the House already passed a budget to fix this problem, So the answer is simple. We already passed the budget in the House to avoid sequestration, maybe you should ask Harry Reid and the President if he intends to let Sequestration go through or Pass A Budget in the Senate.

but they wont cuz the media might say bad things about them


5 posted on 11/08/2012 9:02:48 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I agree... let the **’er burn.

LLS


6 posted on 11/08/2012 9:03:26 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (I AM JOHN GALT)
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To: reegs

Blame the repubs? WOW,,an amazing plot twist!


7 posted on 11/08/2012 9:05:15 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: reegs

good luck with boehner...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/07/boehner-to-obama-this-is-your-moment-we-want-you-to-succeed/


8 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:08 AM PST by freedommom
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To: reegs

Well there’s a shocker. LOL


9 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: reegs
The GOP should make a good faith effort to achieve reasonable compromises. If we can get bills created that help the country, then (of course) the GOP should vote for them.

But if compromise is impossible, if the bills are looking bad, then the Republicans should "abstain" and allow bad bills to pass with nothing but Democrats voting Yes. That way the Left cannot point to bad law and say, "Hey, you guys voted for it too."

We're not helping the country when we lose elections. Maybe we should work toward helping the country understand that the Democrats -- and only the Democrats -- are taking us to a bad place.

10 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:26 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Not even François Hollande could withstand the ramifications of his 75% tax rate on the rich and is backing off, apparently.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:27 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Thane_Banquo

I’ve got matches...


12 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:41 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

“GOP will get blamed by the MSM no matter what they do.”

Exactly right. The media already has the two narratives in the can ready to go.

“GOP House refuses compromise on budget, pushes nation over fiscal cliff.”

or

“GOP House passes massive tax hikes; middle class crushed.”


13 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:56 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Time to burn it to the ground. Burn baby burn!

Agreed! No need to try to save the crop. Burn it to the ground. Remember, ashes are the best fertilizer.

14 posted on 11/08/2012 9:07:51 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: reegs

they will be blamed and they will bend over and take the blame like pathetic little cowards rather than fight back...

hey boehner- when obama tells you the American people are behind him on raising taxes on the rich tell the ayatollah the American people also want obamacare repealed- then offer him a deal- increased taxes on the rich in return for a repeal of obamacare...man up boehner...


15 posted on 11/08/2012 9:08:19 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Indeed. Fine. “Blame” away.

Let it burn to the ground. Credit rating kaput, negative economic growth, no more borrowing allowed because no one is lending.

Let the left eat the consequences of their ideology. I don’t care who gets blamed. I just know that if they try to take it out on me personally, there will be a trail of “deanimated” 0zombies.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 9:09:20 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Screw it. GOP will get blamed by the MSM no matter what they do. Time to burn it to the ground. Burn baby burn!

EXACTLY my sentiments. If this b$%#ch is gonna crash, and the wings already fell off, throttle up and get it over with! The sooner the crash happens the sooner we can start re-building

My only question is, what does the crash of America actually look like? Riots? Banks of money? Police and Fire walking off of the job? Do governments quit paying workers? China calls debt or threatens war? What am I looking for that says, "Buckle up, Brace for impact."?

17 posted on 11/08/2012 9:11:16 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: reegs

Burn down the house.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 9:11:35 AM PST by Lexington Green (Burn down the house.)
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To: reegs

I think Obama won with alot of luck (Storm Sandy) and people who like him didn’t’t want to see him fail. This time, he owns it all. Let’s hope the Gop plays hard ball and hits him at every legal turn they can because he is one corrupt person and set out to make USA , Europe. The media has orchestrated this entire change to America. The media is mostly responsible for covering for his lies and ail of the failures. We just didn’t’t have the base *totally* on board. It was not conservatism that failed nor is the country flipping liberal. A lot of the people who voted for him are dysfunctional(weird to go against America’s foundation to make America into THEIR version) Look at all of the states in which Liberal governors put their backwards liberal agenda in place. Personally, we need a revolt for action or to start playing hard ball with the socialists because we have to get those people who have given up to become interested once again. People are going to have to fight even harder and the GOP HAS to get a pro conservative candidate no more McCain lites so people will vote. There was always a poll that worried me that said about 34% (it got higher closer to election day) said they did not like neither candidate.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 9:11:55 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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Forget about it. The Republicans should just step aside.The lowlifes have won.Sixteen trillion in Federal debt,trillions more in state and local debts, unprecedented dollar printing,a bizarre unchecked anti capitalist EPA spewing regulations, a health and job killing Obamacare ( a leftwing twofer),high taxes and low productivity. The barbarian Obama crowned by the demented and decadent.Living standards will decline and social tensions will lead to violence. the new trendy term is the “fiscal cliff.” Good comic term to describe the Obama clown parade rushing toward the precipice with their tattered “Its Bush’s fault” banners flying. Face it folks the country chose this barbaric fool and must suffer the consequences. The Republicans simply do not have the power to save the country.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 9:12:22 AM PST by allendale
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To: reegs
If Republicans don’t go along with calls by President Obama for higher taxes

Hell with it. This is what the voters wanted... give Obama the tax hike he wants, then publicly hang it around his neck every single day.

21 posted on 11/08/2012 9:12:25 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: reegs

The GOP should know by now that they will never win with the mainstream media. Every is issue with them is Heads, they win; Tails we lose.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 9:13:11 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: DesertRhino

In my view Obama did get his mandate for higher taxes - I say let the Bush tax rates lapse for ALL income brackets in exchange for some spending cuts - or even sequestration.

Political point is to ensure that ALL Americans have skin in the game - call it “fairness” and “paying their fair share.”

The trick is how to pull this off while protecting the GOP House in 2014, because we must keep the House in 2015-2016.

Cut what appears to be an “OK” deal to conservatives but mostly gives the RATS what they want: a tax increase for everyone (these may be mutually exclusive). A recession will soon follow that will benefit GOP prospects in 2014.

And our GOP governors will probably raise Hell, but you get the point.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 9:13:40 AM PST by mwl8787
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
"I’m tired of these games. America wants Obama’s super-charged Welfare State? Fine. Let the “Bush” tax cuts expire — ALL of them, including the middle and lower class tax cuts. Force America to choose — do you want low spending or high spending with the taxes that go with it? Because we are at the point where taxes on the “rich” aren’t going to even come close to paying for our current level of spending. Does America want a big middle class tax hike or does it want to cut spending. That’s what Republicans should put on the table. Quit playing Obama’s game that this is just about a tax hike on the “rich.”

I'm thinking more like this too. If we just let it go over the cliff, then it will hurt, but it will hurt the rat bastards too, the one's who still pay taxes anyway. They are do what they do because they never think it will affect them...let it affect them and see how they like it. How would that be for a great big f-u?

24 posted on 11/08/2012 9:13:50 AM PST by libs_kma (When I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat to the gene pool)
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To: Tenacious 1

I Ayn Rand captured the last days of America pretty well in “Atlas Shrugged.” Pretty much the Great Depression, but 3 times worse.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 9:14:16 AM PST by reegs
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yep, they should just vote “Present”.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 9:16:47 AM PST by PogySailor (Barack Obama just won the right to be the Captain of the Titanic)
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To: reegs

We’re going to get blamed no matter. At least with sequestration we get some cuts. Sequestration time, baby!


27 posted on 11/08/2012 9:16:51 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: reegs

Billboards advertising MSM as anti-American; a villain, a monster behind our enemies; the BB’s should be springing up across the nation.....radio and TV ads the same.....You can’t trust the MSM, Harry Reid, Obama, or any of the anti-US Constitutional left and until our nation is re-educated/we fight back the progressives will continue to trash the Constitution, religion and rights.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 9:17:11 AM PST by yoe (Vote for the Real American whose love for his country has NEVER been in question.)
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To: reegs

Format and Reinstall OS


29 posted on 11/08/2012 9:17:35 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: rarestia
RAMMMINNNNG SPEEEEED............

Sequestration time!

30 posted on 11/08/2012 9:20:08 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: henkster

THAT is exactly what will happen!

Remember how George Bush Sr. was blamed for raising taxes.
Yes, he did it ALL BY HIMSELF! Congress was blameless!

</sarcasm>


31 posted on 11/08/2012 9:22:45 AM PST by a real Sheila (RYAN/romney 2012)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Screw it. GOP will get blamed by the MSM no matter what they do. Time to burn it to the ground. Burn baby burn!

Exactly! Are people absolutely brain dead? It DOES NOT MATTER what we do, the corrupt MSM will ensure that the Democrats get to pin the blame on us!

Give Obama everything he constitutionally asks for and let the place burn to the ground!

32 posted on 11/08/2012 9:23:25 AM PST by Obadiah (Americans lusted for Obama. Give them Obama! Everything he asks for.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I’m completely comfortable with it. I’m not going to lend any help to the decline, but I’ll ambivalently watch as it happens. When it’s dead and rotting, like a carrion bird I’ll swoop in to take up the better parts and work with others to make the best of the bad situation.

The number of dead, homeless, and poor will be astounding and will likely consist of inner-city liberals who voted for it. Look what’s happening in NYC! I won’t help them, I won’t give them a hand with anything.

Elections have consequences, you POS.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 9:23:34 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: yoe
Billboards advertising MSM as anti-American; a villain, a monster behind our enemies; the BB’s should be springing up across the nation.....radio and TV ads the same.....You can’t trust the MSM, Harry Reid, Obama, or any of the anti-US Constitutional left and until our nation is re-educated/we fight back the progressives will continue to trash the Constitution, religion and rights.

Hey, I'm in. I can spare about $10 Towards a billboard. If 20,000 Freepers give $10, that's a lot of dough towards some billboards educating the masses about the slimey MSM press!

34 posted on 11/08/2012 9:24:10 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: reegs
I say Boehner should give Obama everything he wants. Let him and the entire Democrat party own the coming crash

The problem with that (as we've found out in one party California) is that they'll just keep raising taxes as they believe that recovery is just one tax raise away...(only to dig us into a deeper hole as they spend that money)

35 posted on 11/08/2012 9:25:31 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: RckyRaCoCo
Format and Reinstall OS

Bare Metal Recovery.

36 posted on 11/08/2012 9:26:35 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: henkster

You got it. LOL

I almost think we should do the second, but if I did, I would require that we do it on National TV in prime time so that I can say “we are giving Obama and the democrats what he has asked for, we think it is a terrible mistake.

We will let you decide after it is done. But...we will not allow ourselves to be blamed if the results are a catastrophe”.


37 posted on 11/08/2012 9:26:55 AM PST by dforest
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To: reegs
Boehner should give obama everything he demands
This is what “the people” who voted democrat voted for

Give it to them, tell Harry Reid he won and he gets to run the economy his way and tell the democrats to man up and own it

Boehner must make this a public announcement on the steps of the US Capitol, invite Harry to share in the announcement. Provide an empty chair if he fails to appear (he wont appear, he knows the democrat “plan” will strangle the economy)

Boehner should watch how Lucy plays football with Charlie Brown...except give obama the football.

Those of us who did not vote for obama are or should be smart enough to be prepared for the consequences. The pain of higher taxes and possible economic depression will be the cost we pay to expose the bankruptcy of liberal economic policy. But it is time in our history to let the democrats HAVE THEIR WAY.

38 posted on 11/08/2012 9:29:06 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

Yes, that may be the case, and it will be painfull, but at some point the turniquite will get so tight that honest rebellion will occur. Let the rich hollywood types and the Sillicon Valley types, and the Buffets pour their money into the government coffers just like they claim they want to.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 9:29:29 AM PST by Obadiah (Americans lusted for Obama. Give them Obama! Everything he asks for.)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
Yes, that may be the case, and it will be painful, but at some point the tourniquet will get so tight that honest rebellion will occur. Let the rich Hollywood types and the Silicon Valley types, and the Buffets pour their money into the government coffers just like they claim they want to.
40 posted on 11/08/2012 9:29:57 AM PST by Obadiah (Americans lusted for Obama. Give them Obama! Everything he asks for.)
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To: Tenacious 1
EXACTLY my sentiments. If this b$%#ch is gonna crash, and the wings already fell off, throttle up and get it over with! The sooner the crash happens the sooner we can start re-building

My only question is, what does the crash of America actually look like? Riots? Banks of money? Police and Fire walking off of the job? Do governments quit paying workers? China calls debt or threatens war? What am I looking for that says, "Buckle up, Brace for impact."?

More unemployment; more violence and property crime; loss of public services, as some parks will raise rates or close.

I think it will be gradual-look at California and Illinois- the doors are still open, but it's getting more and more unbearable.

By 2014, there is going to be a lot of grumbling. The real question is, how long will people hold on to the idea that it's Bush's fault? Based on what we've seen so far, the Dems will still be clinging to that theory in 2016, and I'm not so sure it will be disputed.

Can't say when the impact will happen, but start planning now, if you haven't already.

41 posted on 11/08/2012 9:31:43 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I agree. Excellent idea.They need to quit allowing the dems to demonize them.

Let the dems own their folly.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 9:31:57 AM PST by dforest
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To: allendale

Yes, the republicans are weak and by being governing cowardly, they are allowing the country to change. There were a lot of mistakes made early on. The Tea Party never got behind a true conservative, They said early on ABO. It did not work. So many problems the old guard caused as well. Jeb Bush, Rob Portland and Romney were running this campaign with a easy glove. They have about drove the car into the ditch. The ones in DC better become mean, strong (determined) and patriotic for once in their adult lives Before it is too late.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 9:32:10 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt.)
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To: timestax

44 posted on 11/08/2012 9:32:10 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax
Hey, I'm in. I can spare about $10 Towards a billboard. If 20,000 Freepers give $10, that's a lot of dough towards some billboards educating the masses about the slimey MSM press!

The Tea Party "officials" (whoever that is) recently put out some message about having conservatives stop sending money to the GOP. They could parlay that notion with the advertising suggestion. Start a campaign for former GOP donors to start funding a "conservative advertising" group. Start our own propaganda war. But use truth.

45 posted on 11/08/2012 9:35:04 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: reegs

Dimocrats aren’t even trying to figure out HOW to NOT go over the cliff. In fact they’re going to use it as a political club to bash republi....I mean conservatives with.

I’m going Galt because I have no choice anyway.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 9:36:41 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Vinnie
I say Boehner should give Obama everything he wants. Let him and the entire Democrat party own the coming crash

Including robbing our 401K's and IRA's?
47 posted on 11/08/2012 9:38:34 AM PST by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
The problem with that (as we've found out in one party California) is that they'll just keep raising taxes as they believe that recovery is just one tax raise away...(only to dig us into a deeper hole as they spend that money)

Yep. That's the plan. We need only hasten the inevitable at this point. The only reason CA can even still write checks is because the FED is pumping CA with cash from tax revenue. When the FED can't write checks anymore because we lose more credit rating and can't barrow, workers walk and the govt. machine seizes. Greece in America ensues as we start using terms like "Austerity."

48 posted on 11/08/2012 9:38:46 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: timestax

49 posted on 11/08/2012 9:42:18 AM PST by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: reegs

And when Boehner caves and signs us up for higher taxes, the Dems and the MSM will sing our praises, right?

FIGHT!!!
Don’t CAVE!!!


50 posted on 11/08/2012 9:43:52 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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