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DEMOCRATS MAY NAB SUPERMAJORITY (California)
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 11-08-2012 | Michael Gardner

Posted on 11/08/2012 7:57:27 AM PST by BAW

California voters may have just handed Democrats unbridled control over taxes as well as policy, but party leaders from Gov. Jerry Brown on down immediately pledged to exercise restraint.

Although final tallies are not official, it appears Democrats will hold at least a two-thirds supermajority in both the Assembly and Senate.

That gives them the ability to pass taxes and fees, and place initiatives — such as same-sex marriage and bonds — on the ballot without securing a single Republican vote.

(Excerpt) Read more at utsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bluestates; ca2012; california; crashit; democrats; jerrybrown; supermajority; taxes
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Now there is nothing stopping the thugs in Sacramento from using our money to support everything they've always wanted.
1 posted on 11/08/2012 7:57:30 AM PST by BAW
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To: BAW

It’s probably for the best. California is crashing. Better that it happen sooner, rather than later. A reset is coming all over the nation and giving the dems control is the best way to achieve that.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 7:59:53 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: BAW
I’m concerned with Prop. 13 being repealed/revoked, whatever you call it.
3 posted on 11/08/2012 8:01:06 AM PST by diamond6 (Pray........pray very hard!!)
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To: BAW

And when the economy in Fornicalia crashes and burns, the national Republicans need to point to it in 2014 and 2016 again and again and again and again and say “THIS is what happens when you elect Democrats.” They should have been running pictures of Detroit and Flint and Gary this cycle saying the same thing.

}:-)4


4 posted on 11/08/2012 8:01:26 AM PST by Moose4 (...and walk away.)
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To: BAW

Good for them. The collapse of the system will be accelerated for all to witness. Lets name it Detroit II.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 8:02:18 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: BAW

Heck I thought they did already. lol. I never hear much of the Republicans complaining about this and that in California. The state is liberal and has less than 30 percent Republicans in the state. Poor Free Republic Headquarters in the sess pool of California.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 8:03:05 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: BAW

is it true that dems lost in every state with photo ID law?


7 posted on 11/08/2012 8:03:05 AM PST by dalebert
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To: BAW
And you can be sure that all expenditures will be for communists Unions and all their friends. Nothing will ease anything for us the middle class. California resembles a communists empire. Conquer and tax.
8 posted on 11/08/2012 8:03:34 AM PST by Logical me
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To: BAW
but party leaders from Gov. Jerry Brown on down immediately pledged to exercise restraint.

Translation: "We won't tax 100% of your income"

9 posted on 11/08/2012 8:03:56 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: BAW

You go California!

Any one down there that needs software developed at $75 per hr instead of $120 per hour please call me!


10 posted on 11/08/2012 8:04:29 AM PST by Mr. K (We need a TEA PARTY MARCH ON GOP HEADQUARTERS!)
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To: BAW

Move over Detroit!!

Here comes California.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 8:04:44 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: dalebert

is it true that dems lost in every state with photo ID law?

Good God No. The strictest Photo ID laws are New Hampshire, Florida and Michigan....ALL of which Romney lost.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 8:06:12 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: BAW
OK, CA rats, you have no more excuses now that you own it all.
13 posted on 11/08/2012 8:06:35 AM PST by JPG (Observe closely as Obama leads the slide from bad to worse.)
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To: diamond6

The fortunate thing is a lot of the pols have houses which are covered by low Prop 13 taxes. If they vote to eliminate it on residential housing they will suffer some big tax increases. Since Prop 13 taxes can be inherited with the house even young Rats can have a big stake.
For instance..I bought my house in 1973. My prop taxes are 1300 per year.
If I sold it new owner would be paying 12000.
It is more likely they will stick it to commercial property and end Prop 13 on it.
That will put a lot of small business’s in deep trouble.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 8:07:55 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: BAW

California taxes out of state businesses who do business in the state. Soon we will all be paying a California tax or filing a California tax return.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 8:08:21 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: BAW

LOL...that’s like congratulating someone on having a full septic tank. In fact, I’d rather have a full septic tank than the job of giving all the Takers what they expect in CA, while the Makers are leaving the state in droves. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving group than Gov. Moonbeam and his Space Cadets.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 8:08:31 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: BAW

I heard on local Fox this morning that they had. *heavy sigh*


17 posted on 11/08/2012 8:08:56 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: BAW
let them have it....enjoy it....they'll continue to have their super rich hollowood crowd but dollars to donuts a lot of them will have their "homes" in other states while having their non-homes "homes" in California...

just sink away..

please pass gay marriage and legal weed etc...please draw all the worse away from the rest of us..

18 posted on 11/08/2012 8:09:36 AM PST by cherry
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To: BAW
Let them eat cake.

19 posted on 11/08/2012 8:10:04 AM PST by TSgt (...voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.)
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To: BAW

Prop 13 is history.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 8:10:15 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Moose4

This is scary. Everyone presumes that California will implode and provide a demonstrable example to the rest of the country to ‘change ways’.

I see this entirely different.

I see it much the same way I see the ‘national’ results from Tuesday. I see it as a much ‘deeper’ sickness that’s overcoming the country.

The ‘national sickness’ is a cancer, where the “47%” bad cells are now multiplying at a greater rate and overtaking the majority of the ‘good’ cells thereby yielding and promoting a toxic ruling class that is suffocating everyone.

This is not good.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 8:10:23 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: BAW

Last one leaving California please turn off the lights.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 8:10:48 AM PST by Obadiah (Americans lusted for Obama. Give them Obama! Everything he asks for.)
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To: BAW
DEMOCRATS MAY NAB SUPERMAJORITY (California)
When you rule over a cesspool, all your constitutes are turds.
23 posted on 11/08/2012 8:11:10 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Logical me
you know what these retired California cops and teachers do after getting their plush huge pensions?...they move to other states and try to lord over the rest of us....

YOU VOTE THIS CRAP IN YOU STATE THERE!

24 posted on 11/08/2012 8:12:24 AM PST by cherry
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To: BAW
All you FReepers who supported Arnold in the recall, take a bow.
25 posted on 11/08/2012 8:15:30 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Oldexpat
a distant relative inherited his house from his grandmother in Napa and has been paying about $400 a year for it in property taxes for 25 yrs at least.....

I hope they remove all restaint and prop 13 and there will a sudden rush to sell homes and with it a huge housing crash...no one is going to be able to afford living there anymore...

26 posted on 11/08/2012 8:15:34 AM PST by cherry
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To: oh8eleven

What’s a constitute?


27 posted on 11/08/2012 8:16:18 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: ModelBreaker

It’s probably for the best. California is crashing. Better that it happen sooner, rather than later. A reset is coming all over the nation and giving the dems control is the best way to achieve that.
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I feel the same way but, will people learn? Look at disaster area’s like Detroit and Chicago. These dumb bastards stay election liberal dems for decades.

Talk about STUPID.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 8:17:06 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: ModelBreaker

Sometimes the only way to change people’s minds is to let them hit rock bottom. The people of California, Illinois, and New York have allowed libs to run amok in their state governments and now they are going to learn a hard lesson and pay a severe price for their stupidity.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 8:17:39 AM PST by dowcaet
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To: cherry
you know what these retired California cops and teachers do after getting their plush huge pensions?.

Buddy of mine down the road has a military pension, a cop's pension, and a teacher's pension.

In addition to his big house in Santa Cruz County with half a dozen cars and as many trucks, mobile home, tractors, and machine tools, he has a big place in Tahoe. Oh, did I mention that is wife is a retired CPS bureaucrat?

30 posted on 11/08/2012 8:18:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: LibFreeUSA
this sickness was coming anyway......"our" people...the people that actually work....are not producing children and the takers are....

it is what it is...

its too bad we can't change immigration policy to bring in millions of Indians or Koreans, people that have a history of working hard and achievement....Vietnamese too....

31 posted on 11/08/2012 8:19:28 AM PST by cherry
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To: BAW

Anyone who believes that we might have won the presidential election by running a more conservative candidate just needs to look at California. There is no use in denying it, the demographics and politics of California are the future of America.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 8:22:17 AM PST by Catphish
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To: Obadiah
Last one leaving California please turn off the lights.

We have lights. That's news to me.

33 posted on 11/08/2012 8:22:58 AM PST by I Drive Too Fast
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To: diamond6
Propr 13 is in the cross hairs, of that you can be sure.

Imagine what will happen if the grifters in Sacramento have unlimited freedom to raise property taxes.

34 posted on 11/08/2012 8:24:03 AM PST by skeeter
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To: ModelBreaker

I’ve been hearing about California crashing for the past 10 years.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 8:25:30 AM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: dowcaet

WHAT PRICE???

As long as the FED can print money with impunity, the EBT Cards will still work.

Maybe taxing the rich in to oblivion could help California?

Of course, they will exempt Hollywood, and Google Execs, and other Democrat-connected rich people, just like Illinois did.

But, don’t you DARE to call it fascism. That might be racist, or ‘phobic, or sumpin.


36 posted on 11/08/2012 8:26:07 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: BAW

Finally, those republicans are out of the way so paradise is on the horizon. Any recommendations where a good place in CA to live?


37 posted on 11/08/2012 8:26:59 AM PST by MNDude
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To: Huskrrrr

That’s the holy grail out here..i don’t think they’d be that stupid to touch it but probably commercial props. can’t remember where I read it but they might go after higher priced homes/higher income, not sure if had to do with Prop 13.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 8:28:44 AM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: Carry_Okie

I was sitting out on my board at 41st ave in Santa Cruz a few months back having a nice conversation with a 54 year old retired gradeschool principle who collects a full salary while he surfs.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 8:29:14 AM PST by skeeter
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To: ModelBreaker
The lunatics, now firmly in charge of the asylum.

Naturally, the federal government will not allow a bankrupt California to crash and burn into anarchy. Unfortunately, this means our diminishing federal tax revenues will have yet another demand placed upon it. But what will the feds do? Will they cut federal departments or services to fund it, or will they borrow more money, or raise taxes? Good question.

If Calif indeed has a Dem supermajority, the slippery slope has just been greased with a fiscal version of STP motor oil. Super-greased. Poor buggers. Down they go....dragging us with them, kicking and screaming in a tangled mass of Mexicans, windmills and mag-lev trains.

40 posted on 11/08/2012 8:30:20 AM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: BAW

party leaders from Gov. Jerry Brown on down immediately pledged to exercise restraint.
41 posted on 11/08/2012 8:31:01 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Gluttons for punishment.)
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To: skeeter

We’re about to find that out here in MN.

Now that we have a rat house,rat senate, rat governor, rat SOS, and rat AG.

Their focus will be raising taxes,passing gay marriage,and making the entire state a Willie Green choo-choo playground.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 8:31:41 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ModelBreaker
The lunatics, now firmly in charge of the asylum.

Naturally, the federal government will not allow a bankrupt California to crash and burn into anarchy. Unfortunately, this means our diminishing federal tax revenues will have yet another demand placed upon it. But what will the feds do? Will they cut federal departments or services to fund it, or will they borrow more money, or raise taxes? Good question.

If Calif indeed has a Dem supermajority, the slippery slope has just been greased with a fiscal version of STP motor oil. Super-greased. Poor buggers. Down they go....dragging us with them, kicking and screaming in a tangled mass of Mexicans, windmills and mag-lev trains.

43 posted on 11/08/2012 8:31:57 AM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: cherry

“its too bad we can’t change immigration policy to bring in millions of Indians or Koreans, people that have a history of working hard and achievement....Vietnamese too.... “

Stop believing that this is going to change things towards our favor.

Did you know that 73% of Asians (as an ethnic group) voted for Obama last Tuesday?

Did you know that that amounts to an even higher percentage than the Hispanics gave to him (he won 71% of the Hispanic vote)?

Think long and hard about these numbers.

Is this really, really what you want?


44 posted on 11/08/2012 8:34:52 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: BAW

The purists complained about Rinos Pete Wilson and Arnold not being pure conservatives.

Each of these non purist wore out their veto pens to keep the left wing tax and spend and new normals in check.

Has Moonbeam ever vetoed a single tax increase or something abnormal the new normals want?

Prop 13 and our IRA’s/401k’s will be taxed heavily on every withdrawal or hell even a % regardless if the accounts made any money.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 8:38:26 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: Oldexpat

“It is more likely they will stick it to commercial property and end Prop 13 on it.
That will put a lot of small business’s in deep trouble.”

That will be the first attack on Prop 13. Their tv ads will make any California Business which owns property evil and will force more to leave California.

When that tax increase is spent, and California starts to look like Detroit, prop 13 will be killed in a special Friday evening/night session.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 8:42:13 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: sasquatch
What’s a constitute?
A spelling mistake. "Constituents" is where I was headed.
47 posted on 11/08/2012 8:44:57 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: diamond6

As a life-long California resident, I’d appreciate it if you would use the correct terminology

Prop. 13 will be — pick your favorite

“right-sized”

“fine-tuned”

“made a living, breathing amendment”

“made compassionate”

and of course, my personal favorite

“made fair”

I own two houses, one in San Jose (personal residence) and one in San Francisco (investment home)

Likely will sell both and move to Arizona or Nevada, perhaps within two years. I will miss the Pacific Ocean, but oh well !

Only two things that will keep my wife and me here:
1. Prop. 13 staying untouched
2. The (now in their early 20s) kids
3. Wife’s family

But with the lower costs, living in Las Vegas or Phoenix, hey, the Bay Area would be only a long drive or a short plane ride away

-George


48 posted on 11/08/2012 8:45:33 AM PST by Calif Conservative (rwr and gwb backer)
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To: Road Glide

That 73% Asian figure, is it based on exit polling? The same type of polls that Republicans are well known to refuse? It may be seriously flawed if it is “exit data”.


49 posted on 11/08/2012 8:48:28 AM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: Carry_Okie

“you know what these retired California cops and teachers do after getting their plush huge pensions?.
Buddy of mine down the road has a military pension, a cop’s pension, and a teacher’s pension.

In addition to his big house in Santa Cruz County with half a dozen cars and as many trucks, mobile home, tractors, and machine tools, he has a big place in Tahoe. Oh, did I mention that is wife is a retired CPS bureaucrat?”

Being in our 70’s, we know several couples who are retired teachers/ed administrators.

Most of them are on vacation and out of town/state/country well over 50% of the calendar year.

My wife used to get mad at me when I voted no because of what she felt were underpaid teachers and hurting the children with no votes.

Starting about 10 years ago, she woke up to what I had been complaining about because of these high living retirees.

Besides the vacations, she calls them the new Beamer, Lexus, Acura and even Jag owners like your buddy.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 8:50:21 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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