Posted on 11/08/2012 7:09:21 AM PST by Qbert
Conservatives need to take a collective breath and look closer at the numbers before they buy into the idea that GOP nominee Mitt Romney's defeat was due to some kind of national demographic shift that now makes Democrat presidential candidates' armor impenetrable. Before you give in to the hysteria, here are a few things to keep in mind.
First, Barack Obama's re-election showing was actually pretty unimpressive for a guy whose philosophies voters have supposedly adopted. As of this writing on Wednesday, Obama's vote total stood at an unimpressive 60,119,958. That's about what John Kerry got in 2004 (59,028,444). President George W. Bush actually did far better than Obama in his 2004 reelection quest, posting a vote total that was about 2 million higher (62,040,610) than what Obama got on Tuesday. That's hardly a remarkable finish in a country with a population that has increased. In fact, it's a decline of 9 million votes from Obama's 2008 total.
Had Romney (57,425,441) done as well as McCain did in 2008 (59,934,814), he and Obama would have run neck and neck, virtually matching each other's vote totals. That's hardly the stuff of demographic ruin.
The question Republicans and conservatives need to ask is not why voters showed up for Obama, whose turnout wasn't exactly extraordinary, but why millions of their own voters, people who had pulled the lever for Bush and McCain, didn't do the same for Romney or simply stayed home.
Why did Romney get a full 2 million fewer votes than McCain did? Why did those voters pull the lever for McCain, but not for Romney? Who were they and where did they go? That is what Republican and conservative strategists need to find out.
Is it possible that Republicans and conservative leaning independents just weren't that wild about...
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Early voting and moyor voter scams
Have to be stopped in all GOP controlled places like FL ,
It’s leads to voter fraud and massive bussing of entire groups for days .
Reagan won before the Introduction of motor voter and early voting !
Are you including the entire metro areas of the 50 top cities? For example, it would be folly to think of L.A. only as the geographical area within the city limits of Los Angeles itself.
Dems vote in Ohio to keep early voting for a reason !
And stop voter Ids in wi and pa
Yeah. A former neighbor of mine just happened to drive up to Michigan from Florida on election day to “check on the house he owns here”. He’s a hard core unionista.
My militant lesbian cousin in Minnesota was bragging about her election eve slumber party with out of state guests.
There will never be a capitulation to Jeb 2016. Period.
The whole idea needs to be rethought.
They shouldn't be out there on the factory floor either.
Less than half the population in almost any society are not actively engaged in income producing work.
I don't think that's a problem; I don't think Romney understood what he was saying ~ just mouthing something he heard on Hannity about the 47%, and even Hannity had no idea what it was about and didn't bother learning until next thing we know he's campaigning to raise taxes on the poor!
Write off the 47% thing as bad propaganda gone astray ~ even the Obamistas and their running dog lackeys dropped their campaign against it when they discovered they, too, had no idea what anybody was talking about.
Bingo !
The left feels so privileged and a right to cheat !
Bingo !
The left feels so privileged and a right to cheat !
Bingo !
The left feels so privileged and a right to cheat !
Bingo !
The left feels so privileged and a right to cheat !
Bingo !
The left feels so privileged and a right to cheat !
Bingo !
The left feels so privileged and a right to cheat !
The answer is the big red machine isn't in place, and has no idea what demographics are about ~ I think they belive it's all about the mexicans ~ but really it's more about the relative death rates to an even greater degree.
White folks live longer than black folks, and people from El Salvador live longer than everybody ~ which is weird, since they don't down home ~ just here in America ~ dude's live LONGER and we have so many of them in Fairfax County they've actually affected our county average life expectancy ~ we all live longer, on average, than anybody else in America. It's up there with the Swedes!
So, you go out to register 1000 black Democrats today, 4 years from now you'll probably need to replace a whole big bunch of 'em. If they were 1000 white Democrats, several dozen more would still be around and your replacement costs for new registrants would be minimal (meaning, as low cost as its going to get). The Salvadorans are mostly on parole so they don't count anyway.
We have plenty of surplus white people out there who can be rounded up, registered, and sent to the voting booths to do their duty on election day. Just a matter of having the will to do it. This last candidate apparently didn't believe in that sort of thing.
Funny thing, my Filipino neighbors are all really hard core Conservatives.
Mrs P is that you? My 9th Grade English Teacher! Gosh I didn’t know you were a Freeper what happened? You used to be a boot licking Jane Fonda type! Anyway Welcome to FreeRepublic, good to hear from you...
“like in the case of Ohio, the “missing” GOP vote is under 15,000; while Obama lost 300K plus, but it only reduced his margin of victory to 50.1% instead of the 2008 figure of 52.3% - a very blue state, with enough blues to spare that even a low turnout does not knock the Dim candidate out
so, yes we need to understand the MAJOR GOP no shows, but in doing so we need to concentrate and WHERE they are...”
Just a thought here.
Obviously, most Freepers would encourage conservatives in a deep-blue state such as Illinois to move to a more conservative state for a better future.
But what about conservatives in a battleground rust-belt state such as Ohio?
Let’s say conservative Ohioans start moving out for greener pastures and better opportunities in solidly-red states.
Over time, this is going to have the effect of making Ohio a “bluer” state, and will seal its tilt to the left.
Same thing in a state like Virginia. Only an hour ago, I read a thread here on FR from a Freeper in Northern Virginia, contemplating a move to “redder pastures”, and asking other Freepers for advice. If there are many more like him, and they relocate en masse, VA will soon become “forever blue”.
The only way to reverse this would be for conservatives to start moving in the opposite direction into battleground states, with the intent of “taking them over” for conservatism. I just don’t foresee that happening. If anything, we are seeing liberals flee from the ultra-blue states like New York, New Jersey and California into purple states such as Colorado, North/South Carolina, and Florida. And as they arrive, they will bring their liberalism with them. Thus, in this election (as in 2008), we saw the purple states vote blue. I think it’s almost time to move [formerly designated] battleground states such as Colorado, Virginia and Florida OUT of “battleground” status and into the “leans blue” category.
You may be in one of those states, and you may disagree, but that’s how I see it.
I personally believe it’s going to be a long shot to coax Ohio to vote Republican in a presidential contest again. And we all know what that means...
“Jeb is a disaster waiting to happen, but demographic changes are a reality. Republicans had everything going for them on the national level, and still lost. The only explanation that makes sense is that “issues” are secondary to group identities. And it’s really been that way throughout most of American history. Unless Republicans figure out a way to attract blacks, Asians, and Latinos, we’re going to have a very hard time winning.”
You are dreaming (as do many here) of a magic bullet that isn’t going to happen.
Conservatism is a set of core beliefs and values that seem to emanate from a single ethnic/racial group: the Euros. It is what it is. They don’t call it the self-reliant “Scots-Irish” independent spirit for nothin’.
Having written that, most Asians and Latinos see little that interests or appeals to them in traditional Euro conservatism. Except for a tiny minority, blacks see virtually nothing.
Let’s run some numbers from Tuesday:
Obama got 93% of the black vote.
He got 71% of the Hispanic vote
He got 73% of the Asian vote (MORE than the Hispanics!)
If you try to bend, twist and contort “Euro-conservatism” into something palatable to the non-Euros, it won’t appeal to the Euros anymore. And it WON’T be “conservatism” anymore, either.
The last sentence you wrote above is absolutely true - no argument with that at all.
But another truth, as hard and bitter as it may be to swallow, is that conservatism as a philosophy appeals to a specific cohort of the American population — and that cohort is destined to shrink in the years to come.
We might have prevented this some 50 years ago, but we let ourselves be rolled by Ted Kennedy and others who supported immigration reform with the meme that everyone is the same, and that anyone who came to America would enthusiastically want to become “just like the rest of us”. It sounded so great, so “egalitarian”. But it was little more than fantasy then, and it remains fantasy to keep believing that we could change those truths today.
It’s not the fault of the non-Euros. They are going to be who and what they are. That’s natural and normal. What goes against the grain is the notion that we believed we were going to change human nature.
A line from an old play:
“The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves...”
everyone can definitely or just possibly have personal limitations to your idea
and the moves that need to take place, within a state in particular, are moves by like-minded but essentiall “non-activist” people, so it’s hard to mobilize
and in or out of state, it essentially, for the most part, happens by randam personal choice, which is the case with millions that have left California
now then
the kinds of moves that could be helpful, within a state, would be moves to make a district more “red”, one that is only marginally a “blue” majority
another kind of move is not a “move” at all
it is to recognize that some states have more unregistered voters than it does the numbers of votes by which the GOP loses an election (New Jersey’s unregistered voters are 200-300% of the margin by which Kerry won the state over Bush in 2004)
but there has never been any huge official or unofficial organized attempt to go after THAT untaped demographic, anywhere (as Acorn did in 2008 - not that I am supporting HOW they did it or why, but the GOP had, and has never had a counter movement; even the TeaParty is primarily a venue FOR activists, not for creating more out of the unregistered
all of us need to find out everything the GOP in West Virginia has been doing; they have been growing the GOP in their state; a state that has been a nearly one party Democratic state for decades; obviously they have been finding ways to break an engrained political mindset among forever Democrat families
then again
some of the worst blue states are OUR best example, of what NOT to do, and they are slowly diminishing their electoral college impact; New York and California have net out-migration greater than in state population growth, or at least growth at a extremely slower and lower rate trending to population decline
GOP governors are doing a good job of some of the moves that are helping - attracting businesses to move from other states, which attracts people to follow to where the jobs are
maybe someone could get a job with the RNC writing a complete comprehensive approach
I’m out of any more thoughts on it
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