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1) Corrupt Media 2) Demographics 3)Chris Christie 4) Passive Candidate (vanity)

Posted on 11/08/2012 5:55:44 AM PST by teg_76

1) Corrupt Media

If the media slanted towards Romney like they did Obama, we'd have won by ten points. Candy Crowley 2nd debate performance completely epitomized the corruptness of the media. Libya, Solyndra, Fast and Furious. Imagine those under a Republican president. We need to change the media, not ourselves. How I don't know.

2)Demographics

More minoriites, more single adults, don't spell a picture for electoral success. Bush and Rove deserve a lot blame for this, as they should have been protecting our border and our soveirgnty rather than pushing amnesty. So much for Rove's "permanent Republican majority"

3) Chris Christie

The polls turned out to very accurate, and they reflected the huge shift towards Obama after Christie's over the top, effusive praise. There's no reason he couldn't have called for a moment of unity and had both Romney and Obama tour the area.

4) Passive Candidate

Everytime Romney showed strength, he moved up in the polls. His pick of Paul Ryan, his 1st debate performance, both showed a strong side of Mitt that gave him momentun. Unfortunately he followed his 1st debate with passive performances, thinking he had the lead and trying to run out the clock. Whoever advised him to not bring up Lybia in the third debate should find new work. It is a huge scandal and Mitt deserves blame for not being confident enough in his debate skills to explain it to the American public.


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1 posted on 11/08/2012 5:55:52 AM PST by teg_76
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To: teg_76

BUMP ... for truth.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 5:58:08 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: teg_76

All of the above. But #4 was fully in his control.

Mittens just couldn’t hit. Fast and Furious and Benghazi could have redefined the debates and the final weeks of the campaign, with Obama on the defensive.

But Mittens just couldn’t hit. He had to campaign as Mr. Mellow Moderate.

Nice guys finish last in hard-knuckles politics.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 5:58:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: teg_76

3 and 4 are BULLSHIT.

Chris Christie gave some very good speeches on behalf of Romney, including his much-repeated line about sending Obama back to Chicago. In the middle of a crisis, Christie moved away from politics and towards leadership. Sure, it might have been effusive in his praise for Obama, but the residents of NJ didn’t want some mealy-mouthed politician at that time.

And Romney fought HARD during both a heavily contested primary (go count the number of debates) and a tough general election. While he was fighting other Republicans for the party’s nomination, Obama had over six months to marginalize him in the media. He was fighting a battle on two fronts and that’s never easy.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 5:59:43 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: teg_76

I’m sorely tempted to say screw the GOP.

Sarah Palin where are you?


5 posted on 11/08/2012 6:00:10 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Travis McGee

Mr. Romney, as predicted, was lame and ONLY in it
for the money he would make for himself and Rove.

Did he speak up for the patriots in Benghazi? no.

Did he speak up for the patriots murdered by illegal aliens? no.

Did he speak up for the patriots in the military
whose ballots were STOLEN? no.

His sole interest was defending himself a few times
for which he ... sent out his wife.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 6:01:18 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: teg_76

Agree with most of this. But would add one caveat. White vote numbers were way down. Not sure why this happened. Approximately the same numbers of blacks voted as in 08. 1.7 million more Latinos. Why did whites stay home?

Hunker down. Focus on the mid terms in 14 This is America, let’s not give up on it. Let’s fight for it.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 6:02:27 AM PST by Tulane
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To: SJSAMPLE

It’s about optics....and Christie knows that...his praise for Obama was win the whole nation was watching him.

Any praise to Romney was when nonone was watching.

Please tell me why 4 is bullshit. So you think not mentioning a huge scandal where our ambassador was murdered and we had a sitting president lie about it for weeks was good campaign move?


8 posted on 11/08/2012 6:03:04 AM PST by teg_76
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To: SJSAMPLE

Agree.

But for me, the only reason for this outcome, is an over estimation of the intelligence of the American electorate.

If the American electorate had the slimmest of smarts, we wouldn’t be in this fix to start with.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 6:04:54 AM PST by Paisan
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To: teg_76

why does no one mention that racism was a factor in this election and that is black racism, they voted based on color.

Massive voter fraud and no one can tell me how these results make any sense.
VA military votes evenly split, that is unheard of

observers thrown out in OH, FL, PA. in some cases for hours so what were the Dems doing.?

FL was bound for Romney and trust me I ma here and travel this state and half the poeple I talk to are saying that it doesn;t make sense
Broward yet again did their corruption and then waited for results before reporting in
Obama got less than 5000 and yet he won that area Tampa , no way even the Dems had said FL was gone for them.

More people voted for Romney and less for obama that last time but he might get this state

WI voted for Walker twice, the state went republican but the federal seats go Dem and Ryan cannot get near a win.

Mia Love was up double digits two days before the election in UT and yes she lost easily, she woudl have been a mssive threat to the Dems as she was a conservative black woman and young.

OH less votes , 4 years of a bad economy but union votes go up by 5% HUH

observers thrown out.

Exit polls state people wanted the economy to get better but they vote for a guy which has made it worse?!

I could go on and on
No one is mentioning any of this and wants to move on and talk about being more liberal as usual.
Instead people should look into this, stop the name calling and stand up for the process and stand up for America.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 6:06:40 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: teg_76

I agree on 1, 3, and 4; but only a bit on 2. Obama had fewer votes for him this time then in 2008; that tells me that immigration was not as important to voting immigrants. What is a something to note is that even though Romney received less votes than McCain; we held the House (though we need better candidates for the Senate.). Holding the House tells me we have conservatives willing to vote Conservatives in at a greater number then Libs voting in Dems; but we will not vote for someone who either ignores us or puts us down in our own party.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 6:07:05 AM PST by celmak
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To: Tulane

I agree with your assessment. I would add this:

5) Depressed Republican Base

These are base elections. Romney did not excite his base. This talk about getting independents really is BS. Most people have their minds made up. It’s about getting them to show up. If Republicans will vote for you 90% of the time, that’s who you need to turn out. If you lose a few points with independents while exciting your base, you win. That’s what Obama did. Romney won independents. Romney lost. GWB excited the base in 2004, which is how he pulled it off.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 6:07:20 AM PST by teg_76
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To: teg_76
#4 is a joke. Romney was a fighter and had to work on his likability as well. That was always a balancing act.

Your theories are not reflected in the exit polling. Obama effectively scared voters by tying Romney to Bush whom voters still blame for our economic problems. He won Ohio by demonizing and mischaracterizing the op-ed Romney wrote four years ago about the auto bailouts.

Why do so many here ignore the 'historical nature' of the Obama presidency? That was always the wild card insulating Obama, granting him a benefit of the doubt no other modern president would get.

13 posted on 11/08/2012 6:10:52 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate voter Freepers for making him president til 2017!)
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To: teg_76

So you think not mentioning a huge scandal where our ambassador was murdered...

You probably don’t remember the administration AND the media following the meme about...”using the murder of our ambassador for political currency...”

Romney got burned on this early in the game.

The administration, in collusion with the media, was playing the “...wait until all the information is collected...” game.

This put Romney in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t position.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 6:11:50 AM PST by Paisan
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To: teg_76

You may recall that he DID mention it during the second debate, and was blindsided by the referee. The only traction that story was getting was that Romney was “playing politics” and it wasn’t helping him.

Do I wish he could have used Benghazi effectively against Obama? Sure. But that wasn’t happening when every network except FOX was ignoring the story or, like “60 Minutes”, conspiring to BURY it.

Benghazi is a story that won’t REALLY be covered until January, at the earliest. I can’t blame Romney for that.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 6:11:57 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

Dems have said that Christie helped them by having the photo ip and praising obama.

They said it yesterdaya nd just this morning, they are even thanking Christie.

People do not have pwoer, water, gas etc even now so Christie coudl have waited to have obama and then demand later obama needs to get off the campaign trial and do his job but he never.
He Christie got to talk to Bruce Springstein his hero because obama set it up later and obama got a massive boost which the media lapped up for two to 4 days


16 posted on 11/08/2012 6:11:57 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Paisan

Yep.
Santa Claus won.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 6:12:34 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: newzjunkey

Regarding #4, I would call Romney’s failure to bring up Libya in the third debate as passive. What would you call it? Can you imagine a democrat passing an opportunity to go after a republican president on this?


18 posted on 11/08/2012 6:12:41 AM PST by teg_76
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To: teg_76

Don’t forget the millions of “Republicans” who didn’t show up to vote. How McCain received more votes than Romney can only be attributed to no-show-Rs. Perhaps because of the Mormon thing, perhaps of their dislike of Romney. But nobody in their right mind could have disliked a Romney presidency more than a 2nd 0bama term!


19 posted on 11/08/2012 6:13:05 AM PST by EscapedDutch ("Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money" - Lady Margaret Thatcher)
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To: manc

Compared to the mid-term election of 2010, 2012 results make no sense whatsoever.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 6:13:10 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: teg_76

Unless states pass a ‘Voter ID’ law, the urban districts and wards will stuff the ballot box to claim their state’s electoral vote for the cheating party.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 6:13:25 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: teg_76

Newt Gingrich was the ONLY candidate that was sticking it into the media’s face

AND PEOPLE LOVED IT

I dont CARE about his past!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We know all about it.

He is still the former speaker of the house that BALANCED THE FEDERAL BUDGET !!!!!!!! Dealing with Bill Clinton, no less...


22 posted on 11/08/2012 6:14:45 AM PST by Mr. K (We need a TEA PARTY MARCH ON GOP HEADQUARTERS!)
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To: SJSAMPLE
"3 and 4 are BULLSHIT."

Agreed!

23 posted on 11/08/2012 6:14:52 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: manc

I’ll illustrate how the Chicago machine works. We are one town away from Cook County in DuPage County and half the town got redistricted, and why was that and why didn’t the town right next to Cook County get redistricted? Because the Latinos live on this side of town,and there are none in the town east of us. Get the picture? Evidently I live in a ghetto!


24 posted on 11/08/2012 6:16:40 AM PST by MondoQueen
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To: Travis McGee

Benghazi was squelched by the media. Romney could have made his speeches 100% about it and the media would play the clip where he says “great to be here!”. Mr Mellow may not be the best way to fight Obama but Mr. Angry would be all over the media and they would dredge up the stories about how he beats puppies.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 6:17:35 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Travis McGee

you would think the GOP would have learned now.

They wanted Romney because he was successful, rich, Presidential looking and not a voting record and a nice moderate guy.

It’s time the GOP GOT SOME BALLS, NAME NAMES IN THE MEDIA, call their bias out, and then fight, fight likemad, fight the homostapo, fight for what we stand for, get the message out and mention how people want to be rich and having crumbs off the Govt is not the way to go.

Stop this pandering nicey nice crap


26 posted on 11/08/2012 6:17:55 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Diogenesis

Didn’t you beat up Romney enough before the election? Just give it a rest.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 6:18:51 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: teg_76
1. Corrupt / ignorant public
2. Demographics
3. The press

As for Christie, he's just another motormouth for the corrupt/ignorant public to factor into its emotional "decision making."

28 posted on 11/08/2012 6:22:16 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: manc

False dichotomy. The substance of a message does not depend on the style in which it is said. The message needs to be solidly conservative backed by a solidly conservative candidate. But he needs to know how to smile and relax otherwise he will never win.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 6:23:18 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: SJSAMPLE; teg_76
3 and 4 are BULLSHIT.

I agree with teg and not with you. Christie hurt Romney, and then he made it worse trying to defend it and repeating it over and over again. It was picked up by the Obama media and beamed repeatedly into every TV screen in America.

Obama could not have produced a better campaign ad.

Anyone who thinks Romney was right to disengage on Benghazi is not facing the reality that it was Benghazi that had Obama on the run. If Romney had brought it up in the debate, in TV ads, and in interviews, then Obama would have been forced to answer the question: "Mr President there doesn't need to be an investigation to determine where you were and what you did and what you followed up on when the live feed showed our Seals fighting for their lives. Where were you, what did you do, and what were the results of your follow-up?"

Romney went timid and dropped the ball. There's simply no denying it.

30 posted on 11/08/2012 6:24:09 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I think Romney figured at some point, though I agree with you on him being a great candidate, that the time had come to pass the buck on to the Democrats and Obama. IMO, let the media, Democrats, and Obama take a bath in all the dollar bills in debt they hope to pile up with Obamacare, interest, and 22 plus trillion dollars. Then add the inflation part, and frankly, if they screw this country badly enough, and can hardly pay for crap with inflated currency benefits, all the better, I may sound cynical, but it’s all like my little brother, he kept reaching for the stove, so eventually my mom said to simply let him burn his little finger. Guess what, he felt the pain, but it gave him a hard message.


31 posted on 11/08/2012 6:30:48 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: izzatzo

, one has to look at the exit polls, look at the results, then look at the all the fraud, the machines, the obervers thrown out and something is fishy about this election.

NOthing adds up but I guess most on here just want to move on, the troll then come out and push their liberal homosexual agenda and tell us the party has to accept them in order to win.

I’ve looked at the counties around here and all came out more than 2008 and 2010 and yet Romney got less votes as did obmaa by 8 million.

Where ddi the voters go from 2008 then, my wife and I said that we have never seen the population fired up, more yard signs than ever seen, more stickers than ever seen, go and talk to a neighbor and it was about oama and getting rid of him

sorry some can move on and say ah well better luck next time but not me, something doesn;t sit right with me on these results


32 posted on 11/08/2012 6:31:14 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MondoQueen

I’ve heard about how the Chicago machine works and then when I see the results in places on the federal level not the state level i.e. WI goes republican but they vote for a Dem senator and obama, !!! doesn;t make sense

I;ve listed some cases on my profle page and they are al facts which no one has looked into. It’s not me making it up or acusing but just facts.

Chicago had 4 years a DOJ and Holder , in those years they had a lot of time to look and win this last election and then carry on with ant gun, homosexual agenda, force the states to ignore DOMA, put more radical judges on the bench.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 6:34:21 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Exactly. He was even given an opening on Fast and Furious with a “assault weapon” question in the first debate, and he spent 90 seconds mostly agreeing how violence is terrible blahblahblah. Barely mentioned F&F, when he could have HAMMERED both Obama adn the Obama MSM for two straight minutes.

Ditto Benghazi in the other debates. Mittens couldn’t hit.


34 posted on 11/08/2012 6:34:47 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: palmer

“Beat up”?

Wrong.
His liberal positions were discussed in detail.

Woe to America that a liberal RINO was chosen again
as the “selected loser”. Every FReeper tried
to help Mr. Romney for this election, but except
for the 1st debate, he was mostly MIA and ignoring
issues which would have captured the base and the
Presidency.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 6:36:37 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: palmer
Benghazi was squelched by the media. Romney could have made his speeches 100% about it and the media would play the clip where he says “great to be here!”. Mr Mellow may not be the best way to fight Obama but Mr. Angry would be all over the media and they would dredge up the stories about how he beats puppies.

But he had three debates where the cameras were running directly into most American living rooms, totaling many hours. The debates could have redefined the media talking points for the last month.

But he missed his many chances to put Obama on the defensive about F&F and Benghazi.

Totally missed them, since he was coached to be "Moderate Mitt, the nice, squishy, non-threatening guy."

In a bare knuckles fight against the Chicago machine, that is called "LOSER."

36 posted on 11/08/2012 6:39:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: xzins

I agree. Romney should have said four of our fellow Americans died, mr. President. Wat did you do? Nothing!


37 posted on 11/08/2012 6:43:00 AM PST by NJBushcountry
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To: teg_76

We need to change the media, not ourselves.


This is so spot on. 100000% true. If the media were even half way fair, no democrat would ever get elected.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 6:45:15 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: teg_76

5. Chicago-style thuggery combined with union thuggery.

6. 47% remark.

7. Relentless negative ads before Romney could legally spend campaign funds.

8. “I like to fire people.”

9. Legitimate rape & “God intended” rape remarks that tarred the whole Gop.

10. Hurrican Sandy.

11. Superior GOTV efforts by the Dhims.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 6:47:58 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: NJBushcountry

I also believe that what that traitor Christie did was going to hurt Romney and it did.


40 posted on 11/08/2012 6:49:15 AM PST by NJBushcountry
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To: palmer

agreed we just have to explain it in more simple terms due to a population which has been ignorant and dumb


41 posted on 11/08/2012 6:52:59 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Travis McGee

imagine if he went after obama more and hit back, ?

People watching the debates woudl avesaid “huh what is this Libyan lie” etc
How about the border agent, Romney could have said parents want answers, they are lving in pain but no the GOP wanted to play modereate YET AGAIN


42 posted on 11/08/2012 6:55:04 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Personal Responsibility
nail on head.

The media are the enemy of this country, I ma stillstnned how many do not know who Ayers is.
Who ACORN was.
F&F
dead border agent and parents wanting answers.
Dead in Libya and then the lies and still we have no idea where obama was, did he watch the attacks live time, why the lies, did he go back to sleep as the attacks were going on?
Why to Vegas?

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD THE GOP JUST HAVE THEIR CUSHY WELL PAID JOBS AND MOST ARE NOT PUSHING FOR THE TRUTH BECAUSE THEY DON;T WANT to be targets of the media and the left.

solyndra
debt
black racism and why they voted on mass .
welfare,,
food stamps
I could go on and on about this media and we have to get together, talk radio, sites like this and then send mail, call these media outlets as well as our local ones and demand they tell the facts for once

43 posted on 11/08/2012 7:01:45 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: teg_76

6) massive voter fraud, including disenfranchising the military vote


44 posted on 11/08/2012 7:03:34 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
We also have to revisit the strategies that built the conservative movement in the first place. One of the key strategies was direct expression of those principles by discussing them with friends, neighbours, and co-workers. Instead of trying to rely on pundits and talk show hosts, we should also spread the message as we did in the early days of the movement.

When the conservative movement began, there was nary a ray of daylight between the two parties. Grassroots, one-on-one conservatism changed that. It took time and effort, but it did happen. We want more conservative voters? WE have to get out there demonstrate to our fellow citizens the superiority of conservative values and principles. I say this as someone who did get lazy and didn't do as much as I should. After 6 November 2012, I have become determined to express our conservatives values with as many average voters as I can. We all know people who are open minded enough to give us a listen, if we approach them with reason and respect. To have a victory at the ballot box, we'll have to build an army one voter at a time. Is the Republic worth an hour a week to spend with an uninformed neighbour or colleague at work? I think it is.

45 posted on 11/08/2012 7:04:33 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: teg_76
We need to change the media, not ourselves. How I don't know.

It's easy: take jobs in the media. Want to fix the demographic problems with future generations ? Take jobs in education.

Jews know for The Tribe to survive they need to cultivate their future and foster good will in the broader culture. Conservatives need to think beyond their own nuclear families.

46 posted on 11/08/2012 7:47:29 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate voter Freepers for making him president til 2017!)
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To: teg_76

I’ll add another (granted) small one but one that floored me.

The Red Cross PSA (Public Service Advertisement) that featured Presidential Obama for Hurricane Sandy Relief. PSA are run by the broadcast and cable media for FREE as a public service. To have done this must have had the Obama election team rolling in the aisles - free campaign spots. Yes it was pulled later, but really why was it considered proper at all in a campaign?!?!


47 posted on 11/08/2012 8:23:29 AM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

These are true words—BUT we must not just talk—we must act.

1. We must create a new Media! Love him or hate him, Glen Beck did make the Blaze—This is a good thing. lets urge him to Buy up the old Current Slot on Cable and run his conservative programming nations wide (Trump can you hear me—I bet it could even make money) We need to think Grass Roots—create Tea Party Gazettes in every state, community and hollow. Conservatives need their own newspapers! We dominate Radio—lets see if we can do the same with the Print Media. We need to start Tea Party Cable TV shows on ever cable access channel in the Nation. Its not that expensive to do—just takes creative people who love their nation.
2. Dump all RINOs—don’t support them—don’t buy their line, Don’t vote for them—Gov. Christie cost us the election! He didn’t have to be so weepy eyed with Obama—that hug has cost many lives! Now look—Obama will abandon New Jersey!
3. We must reform the TEA PARTY in a New way— a more activist way! We let our foes in the Media define us as Yahoos and racists —I believe we need a new movement—The Sons of Liberty. As in the 18th Century—More in your face, more patriotic.
4. Maybe we need to start thinking like the Liberals and start to take over colleges and universities! No more—Mr. Nice Guy.
5. Freedom isn’t free! Use it or lose it!


48 posted on 11/08/2012 8:34:52 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: teg_76

Exactly right. We’re all well aware of #1 and #2, but #3 and #4 were where we just basically forfeited. What in the hell is going on with the weak in the knees pansies and Benedict Arnold’s on our side? Everytime we’ve had the Dem’s on the ropes, somebody on our side stands up to stab us in the back. I don’t know how far you want to go back, but there was the bailout vote, Palin, Obamacare votes, the debt negotiations (the crybaby), the incredible Roberts’ fold on the Obamacare SCOTUS decision, Powell, Christy and then our candidate just completely letting everyone off the hook on Benghazi when he had the chance to nail him to the wall over it in front of 60 million people. With friends like these, who needs enemies?


49 posted on 11/08/2012 8:42:39 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: teg_76; All
More minoriites, more single adults, don't spell a picture for electoral success. Bush and Rove deserve a lot blame for this, as they should have been protecting our border and our soveirgnty rather than pushing amnesty. So much for Rove's "permanent Republican majority"

Bush & Rove are to blame for more single adults? Seriously? That's on the culture. What have you done in the last twenty years to espouse your values, renew the culture?

Bush & Rove wanted to "solve" the problem through amnesty to win the group for the GOP or least avoid massive erosion. Ironically, in stopping them we may have sealed the fate of the party and our nation. That could've been a pyrrhic victory. It may have been the nation's watershed, mirroring the triumph of "Prop 187" in CA only to spell the end of the state Republican party's relevancy because of demographic shift and Democrat exploitation of those new hispanic voters with no GOP counter-balancing outreach.

It may be over. It probably is.

The gay agenda war was lost in the early 1990s and Tuesday's votes clearly demonstrate the cultural and demographic shifts myself and others have warned about for some time.

Frankly speaking, immigration may have been lost in the Bush years. Here on FR, and elsewhere, Rick Perry was lambasted for his debate warnings on losing Hispanics and the importance of immigration reform. Jeb could be right; 2016 may be too late to fix the perception. Conservatives are supposed to be able facts, science, reality. Denial is not going to preserve or restore the country.

Denial is very strong in these parts when it comes to the need for outreach.

The work begins now or never; what are you doing about it? Are you just assuming immigrant populations will naturally find conservatism and know what they're told in their language media and by Democrat outreach about Republicans isn't accurate ?

Based on some prevailing attitudes on FR, many pompous "conservatives" need to stop their snarky attacks on the working poor. Inhumane and foolish in any time, there's absolutely no excuse for it during this roadkill recovery. If you're fortunate enough not to be struggling shut-up and hire.

50 posted on 11/08/2012 9:03:20 AM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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