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What Major Demographic Shift? (Take a Closer Look at the Election 2012 Numbers)
American Thinker ^ | 11/08/2012 | Tara Servatius

Posted on 11/08/2012 5:39:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Conservatives need to take a collective breath and look closer at the numbers before they buy into the idea that GOP nominee Mitt Romney's defeat was due to some kind of national demographic shift that now makes Democrat presidential candidates' armor impenetrable. Before you give in to the hysteria, here are a few things to keep in mind.

First, Barack Obama's re-election showing was actually pretty unimpressive for a guy whose philosophies voters have supposedly adopted. As of this writing on Wednesday, Obama's vote total stood at an unimpressive 60,119,958. That's about what John Kerry got in 2004 (59,028,444). President George W. Bush actually did far better than Obama in his 2004 reelection quest, posting a vote total that was about 2 million higher (62,040,610) than what Obama got on Tuesday. That's hardly a remarkable finish in a country with a population that has increased. In fact, it's a decline of 9 million votes from Obama's 2008 total.

Had Romney (57,425,441) done as well as McCain did in 2008 (59,934,814), he and Obama would have run neck and neck, virtually matching each other's vote totals. That's hardly the stuff of demographic ruin.

The question Republicans and conservatives need to ask is not why voters showed up for Obama, whose turnout wasn't exactly extraordinary, but why millions of their own voters, people who had pulled the lever for Bush and McCain, didn't do the same for Romney or simply stayed home.

Why did Romney get a full 2,000,000 fewer votes than McCain did? Why did those voters pull the lever for McCain, but not for Romney? Who were they and where did they go? That is what Republican and conservative strategists need to find out.

Is it possible that Republicans and conservative leaning independents just weren't that wild about the guy?

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Regarding Romney getting fewer votes in 2012 than McCain did in 2008...

Many FReepers have been telling me that such conclusions are PRE-MATURE as Voting counts have not been totally concluded yet (For instance, California is still tallying their votes and only 70% have been counted ).

1 posted on 11/08/2012 5:39:45 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Look at the White Voter article I just posted.

The billion in negative ads turned off voters. They just didn’t show up.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 5:44:06 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: SeekAndFind
RINOs do not win presidential elections.

I wonder how many republicans stayed home when Mitt and Obama (in the debates) argued who could ban more "assault weapons" the fastest?

Etc.

Why did Romney get a full 2,000,000 fewer votes than McCain did? Why did those voters pull the lever for McCain, but not for Romney? Who were they and where did they go? That is what Republican and conservative strategists need to find out.

3 posted on 11/08/2012 5:44:26 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

So you really think Gingrich, Bachmann, Santorum or Cain would have done better? Perry would have mirrored Romney numbers. McCain did better because A) Overall voter turnout was better and B) people liked him more - hes a war hero and C) Romney flipped flopped a lot. The bottom line is that we did not turn out - we lost


4 posted on 11/08/2012 5:49:09 AM PST by GerardKempf (Let's Get Over This)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's an actuarial question, not one of preference for particular candidates.

Unless the Republicans get busy and push voter registration for Republican inclined nonvoters this loss of Republican voters will continue because men, unlike corporate trusts, die!.

Part of the problem is the belief by Romney and his chief supporters in the GOP-e that there's a political middle made up of independent, undecided, moderate whatevers ~ who vote, presumably.

As I've been preaching for years, there's no such middle. Does not exist. Never did exist. This is not the 1793 French General Assembly!

The key to winning the presidency is simple ~ find Republicans, get them registered, make sure they vote for the party candidates. Then, have the candidate exhort them to get out there and get people to vote for the party candidates, and get people to the polls, or whatever other voting method we are using.

If the candidate is off somewhere speaking inoffensive platitudes and pie in the sky to the non existent undecided middle, he will lose the attention of the Republican voters.

I'm still waiting for Romney to initiate his campaign BTW. Dude even came to my neighborhood, but it was a closed, by invitation only, meeting with American Legion dignitaries.

Highly disturbing visit BTW. All the traffic disruption with none of the excitement that's supposed to come with a political gathering.

5 posted on 11/08/2012 5:50:28 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TigerClaws

When you don’t respond to lies IMMEDIATELY AND FORCEFULLY with your own ads, you are a bad candidate. Mitt Romney is a filthy rich millionare who had the money to blow away Obama with ads of his own. He chose to turn into Mr. Niceguy exactly the same way McShame did and lost the election. He let the communist bastard democrats define him and cowered down like a dog. He had three debates to look Obamagabe square in the face and ask him did he believe all the lies and bs that was coming from the democrats. He never mentioned the negative ads. Till the day comes that the GOP nominates a man with some balls that will not take crap off lying ass democrats, they will never win another election. Moderates hell. Nominate a conservative with balls.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 5:50:35 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: SeekAndFind
Those that decided to stay home are just a guilty as those that pulled the lever for Obama.

Mitt Romney wasn't perfect, but he was the right man to get the economy back on track.

If you stayed home...you deserve to be destitute...just as the rest of us will be once Obama is finished with us.

Your worse then the Democrats!!!!!

7 posted on 11/08/2012 5:51:24 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: GerardKempf
Could they have done worse????

So you really think Gingrich, Bachmann, Santorum or Cain would have done better? Perry would have mirrored Romney numbers. McCain did better because A) Overall voter turnout was better and B) people liked him more - hes a war hero and C) Romney flipped flopped a lot. The bottom line is that we did not turn out - we lost

8 posted on 11/08/2012 5:51:43 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: TigerClaws

RE: Look at the White Voter article I just posted.

Can you post the link to it? Thanks.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 5:58:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

A long vanity thread I ran yesterday

Single women voting for Obama as a replacement for hubby/babydaddy.

For the democrats, men have been replaced by the state as the provider for women. Look at the creepy Julia ad that BO ran. We may think it’s creepy, but for many single women, it’s the truth.

40% of kids born right now are to single women, over 70% if they’re black.

We have created a Frankenstein like monster with several generations of women who depend upon the state to support them. And they’re going to keep voting for their meal ticket


10 posted on 11/08/2012 5:58:25 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The demo’s didn’t change, but the managed fraud was well planned and executed.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 6:00:08 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Mormon issue seems to be rearing it's head in more and more stories that I read.

That seems to turn off the evangelicals quite a bbit..

12 posted on 11/08/2012 6:00:45 AM PST by Fedupwithit (You gave him what he wanted. I gave him what he needed.)
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To: G Larry

RE: , but the managed fraud was well planned and executed.

I’ll grant you that some fraud existed. But ENOUGH to give Obama a 2 million vote victory in the popular vote? I highly doubt it.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 6:02:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Fedupwithit

RE: That seems to turn off the evangelicals quite a bbit..

According to Post #60 of this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2956841/posts?q=1&;page=64#64

Evangelicals voted 79% for Mormon Romney.

Catholics gave him 48%.

If any, it was CATHOLICS who refused to vote for Romney.

The above numbers, if correct, tell me that MOST CATHOLICS (52%) either: Voted Obama, or stayed home.

Which is to say, most Catholic don’t care that their church and institutions are under attack and would rather:

A) Allow Obama’s minions to attack their church and institutions with impunity or;

B) Actively support Obama’s minions’ attacks on their church
and institutions with impunity.

In what way are they still Catholics other than the fact that they were baptized as infants?


14 posted on 11/08/2012 6:05:21 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: KosmicKitty

Nailed it, and said it better than I could have.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 6:05:47 AM PST by The Good Doctor (Democracy is the only system where you can vote for a tax that you can avoid the obligation to pay.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good article. Understanding the numers are estimates,
Obama saw a 9.35 million vote loss from 2008( 13.4%). Romney saw a 2.5 million vote loss from mccain 2008( 4.2%).
Overall there was an 11.55million vote loss.

Someone didn’t vote in the R columns. Was it because Romney is a Mormon? Were Tea Partiers involved? Did Evangelical Christians apathetic?

The MSM needz to get rid of people like Beckel, Williams(both Brian & Juan), Matthews, maddow, etc... None have accomplished anything except withholding outright laughter when they try to sell their BS.

Do the vote totals match the number of people that voted? It is easy to figure out but I doubt we will ever learn that information. We also need that data to determine if any specific areas were undervoted this election.

Everyone has an opinion. No message connection, Christie turned the tide, the storm caused many less voters, younger people would not vote for R.

We will find the Tea Party voted in large numbers. The storm & Christie did not make any difference. I am in NJ. If anything the D’s lost votes by not voting. Christian coalition did not turn out for their own cause. Shame on them. They wishy-washy Liberatarians didn’t vote( includes other Indies). They claim it is a conscious thing but they really want the Dems to win to keep themselves relevant.

The message(s) got out on both sides. The results are all due to turnout or the lack thereof. We knew many Dems were going to stay home and over 9 million did. Why 2.5 million people failed to show up for Romney is the key question. We all have to live with it. He had to be more popular than Mccain. Those people deserve what they get.


16 posted on 11/08/2012 6:06:02 AM PST by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: NKP_Vet

I agree. Romney had a ton of ammunition - if he had only chosen to use it. His campaign was the opportunity to inform the public of those things about which the MSM was covering Obama. He should have been trumpeting Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Obama’s questionable cadre of people that he’s surrounded himself and a number of other things. People don’t hear about that stuff. Even my Republican co-workers - I work in a Republican office - don’t know about these, or very little. Romney would have made a good president, but he blew it.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 6:06:27 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: NKP_Vet

I agree. Romney had a ton of ammunition - if he had only chosen to use it. His campaign was the opportunity to inform the public of those things about which the MSM was covering Obama. He should have been trumpeting Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Obama’s questionable cadre of people that he’s surrounded himself and a number of other things. People don’t hear about that stuff. Even my Republican co-workers - I work in a Republican office - don’t know about these, or very little. Romney would have made a good president, but he blew it.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 6:06:40 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: GerardKempf

Your post is right on.

As much as I hate Bob Beckel, he made a damn good point last night that running against someone or something does not gen up votes like running for someone or something.
I remembered hearing this on many previous elections.

The Saudi and soros illegal $ fed nobama’s campaign enabling the non-stop negative sliming of Romney.

Romney ran promoting “small business is the answer” which apparently the voters did not relate to as much as Santa Hussein.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 6:08:45 AM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: DrDude

RE: Someone didn’t vote in the R columns. Was it because Romney is a Mormon? Were Tea Partiers involved? Did Evangelical Christians apathetic?

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Can’t blame it on Evangelicals. Billy Graham went out of his way to buy ads in Battleground States AND the Wall Street Journal ( Nationally ) to encourage Christians to vote for traditional family and sanctity of life.

Maine, Maryland and Minnesota IGNORED his advise.

And, According to Post #60 of this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2956841/posts?q=1&;page=64#64

Evangelicals voted 79% for Mormon Romney.

Catholics gave him 48%.

If any, it was CATHOLICS who refused to vote for Romney.

The above numbers, if correct, tell me that MOST CATHOLICS (52%) either: Voted Obama, or stayed home.

Which is to say, most Catholic don’t care that their church and institutions are under attack and would rather:

A) Allow Obama’s minions to attack their church and institutions with impunity or;

B) Actively support Obama’s minions’ attacks on their church
and institutions with impunity.

In what way are they still Catholics other than the fact that they were baptized as infants?


20 posted on 11/08/2012 6:10:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: NKP_Vet

Yep, No fire in the belly. Never had his “I paid for this microphone” moment. No guts. No glory.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 6:11:20 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: KosmicKitty

RE: A long vanity thread I ran yesterday

Could you show me the link please... Thanks.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 6:11:25 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

He didn’t need but the 286,000 well placed votes to win it.
And those votes didn’t show up in those states until AFTER they knew what they needed to win.


23 posted on 11/08/2012 6:12:44 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: muawiyah
this loss of Republican voters will continue because men, unlike corporate trusts, die!.

I don't think that explains much, if anything. Of course some voters die, voters of all ideologies. But young people become old enough to vote and every voters age by four years between each presidentail election.

And many younger voters who'd voted liberal for a time get hit with the reality of real life and eventually become conservative, thus adding to the conservative voters.

The makeup of the voter population isn't static at the older or younger end. There's always some movement in and out of all political parties.

24 posted on 11/08/2012 6:12:55 AM PST by Will88
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To: SeekAndFind

The big thing I find remarkable is his election win this year with a few minor adjustments to numbers was nearly identical to his first shall we say fraud. What are the chances of that happening?


25 posted on 11/08/2012 6:16:34 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Carbonsteel
Those that decided to stay home are just a guilty as those that pulled the lever for Obama.

As are those who decided to "stand on principle," and vote for a "real conservative" or a write-in candidate.

26 posted on 11/08/2012 6:18:39 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: DrDude
There are millions of votes to be counted and added to these totals. Take a look state by state to see the percentages of votes counted. CA has only reported 69% of its votes, WA 55%, OR 75%, OH 90%, TX 96%, etc.

Where the GOP lost was among the age groups 18-29 (60% to 37%) and 30-44 (52% to 45%). They comprised 46% of the electorate. Romney won the other age groups but by a narrower margin.

My own theory is that the changing demographics of this country is what is fueling this disparity. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as defined by the USG. Each year a cohort turns 18 and becomes eligible to vote, it will be composed more and more of minorities who overwhelmingly by two to one vote Dem. Our immigration policies are driving most of these changes. The Dems are well on their way to becoming the permanent majority party.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 6:23:01 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

The way to turn women around is to get them married!

Although, that’s getting tougher to do... Because, men don’t WANT To get married while they’ve got barely-above-minimum wage jobs.

As I look at the data, what jumps out at me is... Hispanic and Asian minorities. They were HUGELY for Obama. We’ve got to cut into that lead. Both groups have significant numbers of people who are conservative in their personal philosophy. There’s no reason they should not feel welcome in the Republican Party.

We’ve allowed ourselves to be painted as “against them” because of our oppostion to amnesty for illegals. That’s nonsense... but, Dems have convinced them. Somehow, we’ve got to get immigration reform settled and find a way to connect with their self-identification.

Problem is, I don’t see how that’s possible with Obama and Reid comprising 2 of three part of he negotiation.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 6:23:27 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Will88

Where the GOP lost was among the age groups 18-29 (60% to 37%) and 30-44 (52% to 45%). They comprised 46% of the electorate. Romney won the other age groups but by a narrower margin.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 6:26:26 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump for later read


30 posted on 11/08/2012 6:26:26 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: kabar
Where the GOP lost was among the age groups 18-29 (60% to 37%

We WON those groups...among white voters.

Our problem is: Minorities. There are just MORE of them. Especially in the younger age groups.

We don't have to WIN among minorities.. but, we can't lose 70-87% of them, and expect to win...EVER.

31 posted on 11/08/2012 6:27:08 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: 2banana

In Ohio, not all the votes are counted, yet. The Provisionals will take a while.

THAT SAID, Republicans turned out BETTER on Ohio in 2012, than in 2008, by at least 85,000.

Dem turnout was down 15,000.

It’s not that Repubs didn’t show up in the key states, it’s that the Dems ground game was far better, despite the Romney Campaign’s historic ground game.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 6:27:37 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: NKP_Vet

I’m going to reject that analysis.

Romney did respond to the ads, it’s just the mainstream media refused to PLAY the responses. Watching the evening news shows, every cut allowed was Romney RESPONDING to something about Obama for two seconds. That’s it...

We can register all the people in the world, but it won’t mnatter if we can’t get the messages out above the din created by an ENEMY MEDIA...


33 posted on 11/08/2012 6:30:59 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: SeekAndFind
Could you show me the link please... Thanks.

Certainly :-)

Why Obama Won - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2956589/posts

The changing demographics of the voting population has made me realize that we have to sit down and do a thorough analysis of who the people casting votes are and how we can reach them. Won't be easy, may take time, but I really believe that it can be done

We know that dependency leads to enslavement, but how do we get that message to women who have been dependent for several generations.

Sad part, the ones who are paying the price are these women's sons. Who's most likely to die of a violent crime? Young, black, urban males. That's the cost of relying on the government instead of a man for support.

34 posted on 11/08/2012 6:32:39 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Evangelicals voted 79% for Mormon Romney.

Catholics gave him 48%.

That's the percentages that showed up to vote. What was the percentage of Evangelicals actually went to the polls.

The 2008 election with much higher turnout was still only 61% of the eligible voter pool. This election was lower.

35 posted on 11/08/2012 6:33:42 AM PST by cidrasm
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To: KosmicKitty
We have created a Frankenstein like monster with several generations of women who depend upon the state to support them. And they’re going to keep voting for their meal ticket

You are exactly right.

The flip side of your proposition is that young men in our society have increasingly and most willingly abdicated their traditional roles as providers and protectors. And they have done so in favor of: moral vacuity, passivity, rootless, solipsism and an almost preternatural aversion to personal responsibility.

We have met the Enemy and they are Us. Blame the government and politicians and their vote-buying machines all you want. Ultimately, the problem lies with the electorate. In our role as responsible citizens of a Constitutional Republic: we suck.

36 posted on 11/08/2012 6:35:26 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: GerardKempf
McCain did better because A) Overall voter turnout was better and B) people liked him more - hes a war hero and C) Romney flipped flopped a lot. The bottom line is that we did not turn out - we lost

McCain did better because of Palin.

37 posted on 11/08/2012 6:37:17 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: Carbonsteel
Mitt Romney wasn't perfect, but he was the right man to get the economy back on track. If you stayed home...you deserve to be destitute...just as the rest of us will be once Obama is finished with us. Your worse then the Democrats!!!!!

Agree 100%. It's bad enough to have the lemmings fall sway to President Santy Claus and his bag of free goodies, but to have our own stab us in the back is appalling.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 6:45:21 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (You are not now, and will never be my President, Mr. Obama.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is the national exit polling for Catholics made up all the states or what? I mean there should be a state by state breakdown somewhere if that is the case, and I can’t find it. I have found one article that says Ohio Catholics went for Romney by + 9 points, but everything else just seems to be a national number, which is pretty useless.

Freegards


39 posted on 11/08/2012 6:46:36 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: SomeCallMeTim
You got my point. Immigration plus birthrates will ensure that these age groups will become more and more minority dominated. We bring in 1.2 million LEGAL immigrants a year--87% of whom are minorities as defined by the USG. The white fertility rate is below replacement level.

The Census Bureau projects An Older, more diverse nation by Midcentury where 54% will be minorities. The non-Hispanic, single-race white population is projected to be only slightly larger in 2050 (203.3 million) than in 2008 (199.8 million). In fact, this group is projected to lose population in the 2030s and 2040s and comprise 46 percent of the total population in 2050, down from 66 percent in 2008.

40 posted on 11/08/2012 6:51:36 AM PST by kabar
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To: SomeCallMeTim

“Although, that’s getting tougher to do... Because, men don’t WANT To get married while they’ve got barely-above-minimum wage jobs”........and, more importantly, I believe, is that many men will not make commitments to marriage with women because sex with multiple partners is so easy to find because wimin can have sex without consequences because of abortion, and other forms of birth control. “variety is the spice of life”, & “why buy the cow if your’e gettin’ the milk for free”? think those age old sayings have anything to do with it? wt*? wimin thought they were “liberatin’” themselves with abortion and other forms of birth control, but all they do now is hate & complain about the men who won’t make commitments. There’s a reason our amazing founding fathers didn’t give the vote to wimin......


41 posted on 11/08/2012 6:52:43 AM PST by stickywillie (stanley ann went black, & never came back)
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To: NKP_Vet

I doubt he would have won either, but I don’t doubt that Newt would have stood up to Obama, exposed his lies, questioned his handling of Benghazi and F&F, explained to the American people what effect Obamacare and the taxageddon would have on them, and challenged Obama over and over again.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 6:53:28 AM PST by 3catsanadog (No more blaming Bush, Obama-now you inherited the mess you made.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe that a lot of Catholics were afraid of having a Mormon for president. A lot of people believe that Mormons are not Christians.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 6:56:32 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: IYAS9YAS

When ALL THE VOTES are counted, Romney will do better than McCain. There are millions of votes that need to be added to these totals. I don’t understand why people continue to use these interim numbers. Only 69% of CA’s vote has been reported, 55% of WA, etc. Romney will go over 60 million easily. Obama will be closer to 65 million.


44 posted on 11/08/2012 6:56:48 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Only 69% of CA’s vote has been reported, 55% of WA, etc.

THANK GOD neither state is actually in play.

What a shock... basket case Californians can't even count votes.

45 posted on 11/08/2012 8:05:02 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: stickywillie
There’s a reason our amazing founding fathers didn’t give the vote to wimin......

hehehe... yes, in the macro view, the US has been a steady march to socialism... since women started voting! shhhh! (don't tell my wife!)

I have two sons, in prime potential marrying age (24,22). There is a lot of truth to what you say. There are certainly under NO "biological urges pressure" to get married.

46 posted on 11/08/2012 8:08:24 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Lou L
As are those who decided to "stand on principle," and vote for a "real conservative" or a write-in candidate.

Ah, yes. Blame those that refused to sell their principals, they didn't cave in and so still have their principals unlike those who did and retained nothing.
Overlook the simple fact that it makes no sense to claim throwing a socialist out of office by electing a socialist to replace him.
Ignore the simple fact that Romney was not a vote for something, but against something; and you always get better support being for something than you do against.

47 posted on 11/08/2012 8:10:28 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
Because, men don’t WANT To get married while they’ve got barely-above-minimum wage jobs.

Men also don't want to get married to women under the control of feminism, which is a sort of magic that turns princesses into frogs.

48 posted on 11/08/2012 8:13:04 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OldEagle
I believe that a lot of Catholics were afraid of having a Mormon for president.

Not even close to the reason

These so called Catholics who voted for Obama are about as Catholic as he is or more aptly as Catholic as the Kennedys and Pelosi
49 posted on 11/08/2012 8:48:49 AM PST by uncbob
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To: IYAS9YAS

McCain LOST (in large part) because of Palin and because he dropped the ball when the marked crashed and the Dems turned out hard in reaction to Bush/Cheney.
Ask anyone - heck even Rove and Savage knocked her afterwards. There’s a reason why Palin didn’t run - she knew she’d get crushed.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 8:56:13 AM PST by GerardKempf (Let's Get Over This)
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