Posted on 11/08/2012 12:31:05 AM PST by beaversmom
Yeah, I figured this election was lost in March. I was surprised to not be packing things up at 8pm CST like I did with McCain.
My table shows RMoney loss with three standard deviation confidence at 12:07 am CST early yesterday morning. So he did manage to make it until midnight. I left the bar at 930pm, and within another half hour, it was pretty clear that Romney was going to lose.
After listening quietly to the mnay resons folks have put forth for the Romney loss, I can’t help but wonder why an obvious thing is overlooked. Why the GOP couldn’t seat Paul delegates and let Ron Paul give his view in the convention I do not understand. That was a fatal mistake that no one has mentioned. GOP deserved to lose for that. There was the youth vote for us. Blown. And further trampled is the Bill of Rights because of stubborn leadership that is very short-sighted. Like them or not, Paul supporters have much more in common with GOP than the Democraps. I’m not debating it, I’m just throwing it out there because these people are for liberty too! Interestingly, the Bill of Rights’ nickname was “the Massachusetts Compromise”. No compromise this time though, it seems.
What kills me is that from June until September Obama trashed Romney on TV in the midwest everyday & Rove & Co did nothing....no ads.
The Romney people were a mixed-bag. They did some things really well & some things, well, lol, very poorly. They pushed the Paul people around for sure. In retrospect they should have been more open to letting them have their say.
I think the fix was in by the powers that be to ensure a Romney/Obama election and to preserve Obamacare by nominating two candidates who supported it.
Obama knew he could beat Romney easily - Romney would lose to him in the blue states and depress turnout in the red states ensuring that Obama would win, and there wasn’t much Romney could do about it. And that’s pretty much what did happen :(
Just a footnote: I’ll bet Obama creates that new cabinet post of “Business czar” and offers it to Romney. And I bet that’s what he wanted to talk in private to Romney about. If that’s an act of “reaching across the isle”, it will do nothing for freedom.
Let’s examine the factors:
1. Voter turn-out was less than 2008...John McCain had more votes than Mitt Romney, and around ten million less voted for Obama. That says something about the general public.
2. The general plan for Team Obama was to split everyone off into their focus group: women, blacks, Latinos, university students, unemployed, anti-capitalistic folks, environmentalists, etc. The plan worked.
3. Look at county-by-county voting. It’s urban areas that went for Team Obama. Lesser populated counties/areas voted straight toward Romney. Go to voting districts and look at Republican Representative wins....because that was the only message that the lesser populated area could send. They knew they couldn’t compete state by state with high density urban areas.
4. You could invent a catastrophic event in some faraway land where some US ambassador is denied protection and is killed, with three others trying to help or rescue him. Then you could write a fantastic script about the various sources of protection that could have come to save the day, but all were denied. Nothing comes from this because sixty percent of America still don’t know that such a event actually occurred.
5. The economy is stagnant and lacking growth. People are naive enough to believe anti-business concepts aren’t the root cause of our current trends.
6. Finally, it might be possible to determine that 1k dead folks voted Tuesday, and 500k illegals were registered into the system, and that 20k folks voted in two states/districts. But unless you go out and make these determinations, and have them brought in front of a judge...nothing is going to stop the practice. And you might want to think about the terrible injustice you would cause....if you denied dead people the right to vote.
Romney’s defeat is a lot easier to explain than all of this. The obama voters I know all come from a perspective of Romney as a very wealthy person with nothing in common with them. It’s all about defeating “The Man.” GOP likes running those rich guy candidates.
Not only did the RNC/Romney push the Paul folks out, remmeber how they acted after Romney withdrew in 2008.
The dark skies of coming times
What would de Tocqueville make of our current fix?
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years...”
The dark skies of coming times
What would de Tocqueville make of our current fix?
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years...”
How the Hell are we supposed to make that happen?
If the dems committed fraud and won the election, they would not give up on that winning formula.
If, because they cheated, you do not have the votes to change who is in charge, then how can you change the way they rigged and won the vote? They’re not going to let you change to a paper ballot maked with an X. Anyone who suggest they do so will be mocked and ridiculed as a conspiracy theory wingnut, but most importantly they won’t ALLOW that change.
Face it, if what you say is true, and they won due to fraud, we’ve already lost—maybe forever.
Another thing, not discussed here, is the one-two punch of the Democratic ground game and expansive voting laws. As in 2008, the former was much vaster than the Republican effort and able to get people to the polls. It was aided by the “early voting” window, which gave people weeks to vote instead of a single day. This vastly helps anyone with the $$ for a good ground organization. If the election were on a single day, then the task of getting people (especially lazy ones) to the polls would be far tougher. As would be voter fraud. Having weeks to vote gives people an opportunity to show up at multiple polling places under different names. I bet when the smoke clears there was a lot of that too.
It’s really a variant on #1, but somewhat darker: the Democratic strategy for the last couple of decades, greatly intensified under Obama, has been to lock down minority votes through demagoguery of various victimization tropes, mainly immigration, but also gay marriage, abortion, etc., and then just wait for the white majority to die off. And that’s exactly where we are. I was at a loss to explain where the 2.5 million McCain voters that Romney didn’t get had gone to, until someone on another thread pointed out that a lot of them probably died. When you consider that the House and full control of the Senate will still not be in the hands of the Democrats until a few more million white people die off, and that the Dems control health care, it’s starts to look a little frightening to say the least.
Voting takes effort and people must be motivated to do it. Half don’t vote at all.
Motivation for Dems = fear.
1. Young women. Republicans want it back like the 50s. No
Equal pay. No abortion “choice”. Fear.
2. Blacks. Put y’all back in chains. 9 year old boy told he’d be back in the fields. No more free phones. On your own.
3. Latinos. Kick y’all out of the country. No amnesty. Leave and get in line.
4. Young in general. Another war (Iran). End student loans. Most are completely indoctrinated by tv movies daily show teachers universities.
5. Gays. Gay marriage was the carrot. DOMA was the fear.
By specifically targeting up these groups with fear Dems built a coalition Republicans can’t answer.
If we go for amnesty, that’s even more Dem voters on the roles.
If we abandon social issues (abortion, marriage defense), we lose evangelicals - a key base.
Romney got more votes than any of the other primary candidates would have. It wasn’t fraud. Was a better game from Dems and their street level local organizing beats ours. The tv money burn money should go to permanent local organizing. Need our own ACORN.
But, as Pat Buchanan said last night on Hannity, if you look like California in terms of demographics you have the same politics. We’re headed that way and really no way to stop it.
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