Skip to comments.Benghazi Gates Part 2, What happened to Ambassador Stevens?
Posted on 11/07/2012 8:30:24 PM PST by Dave Mellon
I am still recovering from the election but I feel a deep commitment to getting the true story of what happened at Benghazi out to the public. I originally posted this article at 12:49 AM PST yesterday morning and that was a mistake. So I hope it is okay to repost it tonight at a more decent hour.
This is a draft version. It is brief, 5 min 05 seconds, because I realized after posting Part 1 (14 mins+) that it is too much to ask my fellow Freepers to watch a long video with no knowledge of who I am (a newbie). I will do a substantial update to both videos as soon as I recover from sleep deprivation (working on the videos) and acute depression/anxiety (election night loss syndrome). I know I need better scripts and a narrator with a clear voice (not me). I added some facts by typing them right on to the video stills and photos.
This video answers many questions about what happened to Ambassador Stevens from the time he was abandoned by his State Department employees at 11:20 PM and the time he was taken out of the Main Building of the American Consulate in Benghazi Libya. It also raises many new and disturbing questions as well. The worldwide news media has overwhelmingly pronounced the retrieval and transport of Ambassador Stevens to the Benghazi Medical Center as a kind hearted gesture of good will but this video cast significant doubt on that assessment. I too once believed that it was a gesture of good will until I examined the long version of the amateur video of the retrieval. That video is available as "The Retrieval of Ambassador Stevens at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Libya" on my YouTube page. The fact that there was a splice in the video at a key point and then a "new" pulse check of the Ambassador raised doubts in my mind. I then completed a frame by frame examination of the video and was stunned at what I found. I then found a few new key photographs on the internet that led me to piece together critical aspects of what happened that night.
Below you will find the conundrum I was in when cutting the video to five minutes. This issue did not make the cut:
Although I did not say so in the video, I believe the Ambassador had been dead around 2 ½ to three hours at the time the video was recorded. This places his time of death around 10:00 PM. I base this conclusion on six things: 1) Sean Smith died during the fire shortly after the decision was made to escape to the roof and the Ambassador surely received a similar exposure to dense smoke from incomplete combustion and associated fatal levels of carbon monoxide. 2) The consistent position of the Ambassadors left arm and fingers which appear to form an L when not held in place by the persons holding him is consistent with early rigor mortis as is 3) no apparent movement of his eyelids in any of the recovery video and photos, 4) the use of white rags by individuals holding or touching the Ambassador--they knew he was dead, 5) the ripping of the Ambassadors T-shirt and rolling him on his side for a posed photograph to show newly identified wounds *after* checking his pulse, 6) the hospital morgue video shows that the Ambassadors eye lids are in the same position as when he was recovered. I am not a conspiracy theorist and if a group of credible medical examiners look at the two videos and facts of the case and then conclude that the Ambassador was alive at the time he was recovered, I will stand corrected. At this time however, I believe that the attending physician at the Benghazi Medical Center should have recognized the Ambassador was obviously dead and not performed CPR for 45 minutes if in fact that happened.
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Is it possible Stevens was removed, then SEALs look, then put back again then removed? Removed but was determined dead then put back again then removed again?
When the bodies of Stephens and the others were being flown to the US morgue at Dover, Obama had the plane diverted to Andrews AFB for a photo op with Hillary. I wonder if he had the waiting families of the murdered Americans flown to Andrews for the media event, or if he left them waiting in Dover.
I think it is pretty obvious that the Ambassador was not found anywhere along the path from the safe room or bathroom to the primary emergency egress window. This means he was somewhere else. I think I know where that place is but I am still working on putting that info in the update to this video. Trust me it will make sense and raise new doubts about the State Department’s claims on what happened.
What a true mark of respect Mr. Obama rendered to these brave men. (sarcasm)
Not sure how the family members got to Andrews but they met with the President and Secretary of State there.
Wow — have you all seen this?
It really helps to see the map of the building. The photos ... well, give a powerful idea of the horrors unfolding.
What do you make of the 3:40 point, eyes open arms down, and the man with the phone in his mouth, then compare to
Point 3:50, it looks like they are holding his arm up,but that phone is down close to the Ambassadors mouth, as if to capture a breath or words. That phone looks to me to be held next to Stevens for a deliberate purpose.
Is that possible, or why would they be holding his arm up like that? Where can I find your other videos, please. This is most ineresting and I thank you for this info.
The map of the building is not perfect by any means; but, it is based on a large number of photographs and videos I collected from news outlets and internet searches. I then viewed them over and over again to glean new details. I also used the Google map photo and one other satellite photo. The unique shape of the building also greatly aided me in making the drawing. The news media went out of its way to avoid sharing a lot of detail but they shared enough! You can see I had to put some question marks on two windows and the room configuration could certainly be off except that there is no question that the Ambassador’s room, hallway, saferoom, and the second bedroom (primary egress room) is accurate but not to scale.
I am awed and grateful for your work, and pray that those responsible (including in our gov’t) will be brought to justice.
Yes, the detailed floor plan and explanation do bring to life the events that went down there and reveal a lot about the security they did and did not have.
Perhaps they’re trying to prove he’s alive so they can collect their previously agreed to ‘hostage-taking’ payout.
I hate Obama.
I hate Obama.
The phone appears to be a flip or slide phone and is in the closed position so I don't know what to make of it other than the it is odd.
The amount of photographs being taken by these individuals was amazing and consistent with them knowing who he was. It appears that many different people handled him as part of the show. I am guessing that the Ambassador weighed somewhere between 160 and 185 lbs so he was difficult to handle and they grabbed a hold of him as best they could. The Ambassador's left arm is in the L position on several occasions in the video. The black soot around his nostrils is quite common in smoke inhalation fatalities. I have been adding videos to my YouTube Channel as I use clips from them. I will be adding more within a week or so but I am beat as I have worked on this way too much. Please be patient.
I think you nailed it TigersEye. If we don't “bring to life” the story of what happened to our fallen heroes no one will care. It is the humanization of this story that must happen to get the American people to care enough to demand answers. Our news media has done a great disservice to our diplomatic corps serving abroad by ignoring a story that has real human interest aspects to it. They all came so close to surviving the two attacks despite the pathetic security you point out. It really pains me.
Curious as to how you obtained these videos and photos, but I understand if you are not at liberty to disclose this.
That is the human interest aspect of it to me. 0bama thought nothing of turning his back on over three dozen of his own emissaries. How much of a sociopathic monster is the POTUS?
Just occurred to me.. Did 0bama downplay this by describing it as a ‘protest over a video’ so he could cover his bad move of flying off to Vegas to campaign the following morning? In other words, if he said ‘terrorist attack’ then flying off to Vegas wouldn’t be forgiven. If he says ‘protest’ then it’s okay to fly to Vegas or afterwards it WAS okay to fly to Vegas. Perhaps NOTHING was going to stop the Vegas trip and he needed to portray that he thought it was a protest over a video to justify making that trip. Sick.
Excellent points. If however the Ambassador and Sean Smith had made it to the roof, they would have all been able to pile into the armored SUV way earlier than when they finally did leave at 11:20 PM and before more bad guys arrived. The time they spent looking for the Ambassador led to their late departure. The late departure led directly to their vehicle being shot at, losing two tires, and most likely being tailed to the CIA mission annex. There is no doubt in my mind that the military assets needed to save everyone at the annex were available and the two former SEALs died waiting for help from the military that never came. I am waiting for their posthumous awards from the President . Imagine what would have happened if we lost them all or they were taken hostage? It was all so Jimmy Carterish but so much worse. At least Carter eventually tried a rescue.
I think the cellphone held low is just incidental to him holding that phone then using his arm to hold Stevens up. He later (or beforehand) shifts the phone to his mouth to make better use of his hand.
Unfortuantely with a complicit news media it did not much matter. He got away with it. It blows my mind that Romney was somehow made the bad guy here. He got some bad advice early on and then some more bad advice before the second and third debates. Obama should give Candy Crowley the Presidential Medal of Freedom for best save in a debate ever.
And are ALL the survivors under security clearance restrictions and not able to talk?
Either that or threats. Look at what happened to Nakoula.
“Curious as to how you obtained these videos and photos, but I understand if you are not at liberty to disclose this”
No problem, I searched using Arabic.
Oh, yeah! 0bama owes this election and his presidency to those two SEALs he killed.
Give us more, put us on a PING LIST, please.
I have wondered that myself. My guess is that they have been told not to talk to anyone other than official investigators until told otherwise. We know from the Congressional hearings and the news media that the surveillance video is classified. Same with the drones’ video. I am not very knowledgeable about communications but I have wondered what the tower in Benghazi Gates Part 1 was for. If it is communications I have never seen one like it before. Also the gray building was not discussed in the Congressional hearing.
What is a pings list and how do I do that?
Yikes.. Just occurred to me, when was that Secret Service agent murdered, uh urr, I mean committed suicide? Uhhh, 5 days BEFORE the election? Perhaps he knew of 0bamas whereabouts and activities the day of the terrorist attack?
That may have been the plan. Rescue before election, however.
You believe everything you hear? Like ‘protest over a video’ too? Even AFTER they knew otherwise? Catch my drift?
If I believed everything I hear I would not be here now discussing what happened in Benghazi. All I am saying is that I have nothing else on the SS story.
"Mark Bassely Youssef" How many names does this guy have?
If that was the plan then he would have used it. 37 were saved by Doherty and Woods. Instead 0bama tried to cover it all up.
That’s where the plan went awry.. Doherty and Woods weren’t supposed to show up and use force. Were they told to ‘stand down’ before leaving the annex but went to the Embassy anyway? Stew on that for awhile.
A ping list is when you place the names of specific people who ask to be updated or notified when you post into the To: box above the post. For instance, I would like to be notified when you post and so would annieokie, so you would put MestaMachine;annieokie in the To: box and Ping in the message body. You can ask if people would like to be added and they can either freepmail you or just ask right on the thread. Make sure you keep a list of all the names so you can retrieve it and copy/paste when you need it. Separate the names with semicolons.
I clearly recall reading that the MD in the ER where Stevens was taken, said that Stevens was alive when arrived, and that in fact he was talking, and specifically, that his last words were, “We tried so hard for peace.”
Obviously, all of this is a lie.
Was there an autopsy conducted on Stevens and the other bodies? What happened to the other bodies (3)...
Finally, are disputing that this was a coordinated premeditated attack?
I think you’re on to soemthing. IT might take amateur sleuths like yourself to uncover the facts, that our own gov’t will not give us.
Thanks for doing all that work, and welcome. We certainly need better information about this episode.
I think that Stevens was not the primary target of the enemy military operations in Benghazi that night, and that he probably died of smoke inhalation while locked in the “safe room”. The so-called “safe room” looks on video like it was secured by the “rape gates” that are so prevalent wherever whites live in Africa. This secures persons against physical contact assault very well, but provides no protection from projectile damage (there is no evidence Stevens was shot) or (obviously) from toxic inhalation.
The objective of the enemy forces was, I believe, to reduce the so-called “annex” (which wasn’t annexed to anything) and to gain access to whatever was in the warehouse building at that location. The attack on the so-called “consulate” (which wasn’t one) was a successful diversion to draw attention and security away from the target, which it did.
The diversionary forces were not expecting a robust defense, and got bogged down by a firefight which resulted in the fire that killed Stevens, and Smith.
In addition to the details of who moved Stevens where, and when, we really need to know what was in that “warehouse”, who took it, where they went, and why they wanted it.
Dave, am catching up. Have not viewed information in its entirety. Add me to your ping list, if you will form a ping list, please. More later? Thank You!
annie, Thank You for bringing up a request for Dave forming a ping list. It is the little things which are sometimes forgotten on a thread. Much appreciation for your having suggested. Would have probably run off myself, and then updates (which Dave, you promised) would not come to the forefront. Thank You, annie!
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