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15,000 electric cars lost to Hurricane Sandy
SmartPlanet ^ | 11/7/2012 | Kirsten Korosec

Posted on 11/07/2012 8:20:22 PM PST by count-your-change

Hurricane Sandy damaged at least 15,000 new cars parked at a New Jersey port, including 320 Karmas, the luxury plug-in hybrid electric vehicle by Fisker Automotive. The loss might not sound like much. Nissan, for example, estimates more than 6,000 of its cars and light trucks are will have to be scrapped. And the superstorm may have damaged as many as 200,000 vehicles, including used autos and those of individual owners, National Automobile Dealers Association Senior Analyst Larry Dixon told Bloomberg

(Excerpt) Read more at smartplanet.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: automakers; economy; fisker; hurricanesandy
There is always the danger that some of these salt water soaked autos will end up on the used car market. For a buyer of a used car research into its origins would be in order.
1 posted on 11/07/2012 8:20:29 PM PST by count-your-change
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To: count-your-change

What a shocking loss. < / pun-bad joke


2 posted on 11/07/2012 8:22:41 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: count-your-change
"320 Karmas, the luxury plug-in hybrid electric vehicle by Fisker Automotive."

What a break for them. Now they get full price from the insurance - something they wouldn't have achieved at the dealer.

3 posted on 11/07/2012 8:23:05 PM PST by Baynative
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To: count-your-change

Find source at: www.smartplanet.com/blog/...loses-32m...cars...sandy/4900


4 posted on 11/07/2012 8:23:54 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Baynative

Cash for clunkers? They were clunkers from the start.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 8:24:53 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: Baynative

What a break! That’s why the car is called Karma, I guess.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 8:27:31 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Karma’s a b-—


7 posted on 11/07/2012 8:29:20 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: count-your-change
Better link:

15,000 electric cars lost to Hurricane Sandy

8 posted on 11/07/2012 8:29:50 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: SandRat

Yard ornaments now.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 8:30:34 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Tunehead54

Thanks! I don’t post so much or well.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 8:32:00 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Future fish habitats perhaps.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 8:33:30 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: count-your-change

See ??? See ???

The rich 1% again...

all that was lost in Katrina was some old school buses...


12 posted on 11/07/2012 8:36:57 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: SandRat

Due to environmental regs. it will cost as much to sink them as refurbish them for reuse, which can’t be done either, I would think.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 8:38:03 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SandRat

Got me! LOL :-)


14 posted on 11/07/2012 8:40:58 PM PST by Dave Mellon (Dave Mellon aka Ben Ghazi Gates)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Feel rich...buy a Karma sub...the electric luxury boat.
Til then they’ll be used as homeless shelters, the leather may be soggy but it is top quality.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 8:42:51 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

I’ve owned flood cars in the past. Bought them knowing the history and paid accordingly.

one lasted 5 years. The other 5 months. The 5 month one still parted out nicely and paid for its self once parted and scrapped.

I currently own a flood boat. Runs like a top. Sank in the guys driveway last summer when Duluth MN flooded.

I still laugh. The title for the trailer is stamped “PRIOR SALVAGE-FLOOD”

Hell, it gets flooded every time I go fishing. Right up to the hitch.

If your not mechanically inclined RUN FOREST RUN! from flood cars.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 8:43:29 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: count-your-change

Once they catch fire, they could keep a lot of people warm.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 8:43:55 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: count-your-change

Reminds me of a joke the punch line is.... “Tell me Abe how do you make a flood”


18 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:01 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("Vengence is mine".....Thus sayeth the Lord.)
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To: SERKIT

I watched cold people wander around amid heaps of scrap wood and wondered why they didn’t build fires. Let the Karmas burn on their own, but folks could keep warm with a scrap fire. Done it myself more than once.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:11 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: cableguymn

Ya pays yer money ya takes yer chances. Couple hundred thousand cars to head for the cruncher. But I’ll guess they won’t be parted out.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 8:54:52 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: mosesdapoet

I’m a little slow, don’t know that one.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 8:56:44 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

I find this so funny. sad that taxpayers fund this crap


22 posted on 11/07/2012 9:00:00 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Baynative

The taxpayers need to stop funding these companies, let them make money by selling products and services like they are supposed to


23 posted on 11/07/2012 9:01:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: count-your-change

“I watched cold people wander around amid heaps of scrap wood and wondered why they didn’t build fires.”

Yes, I read a book of matches was selling for $50.00 in the Obama storm-zone.

It’s all in the priority of the moment I guess.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 9:02:58 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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The great thing about electric cars is. . . nothing. We used petroleum cars for 100 years and will be using them in another hundred.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 9:09:43 PM PST by JoeyJoeJoeBob
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To: count-your-change

You can bet your butt they WILL be parted. Parts like wheels, sheet metal, glass and many other parts will be just fine.

Electrical parts are the ones that will fail in a flood car.

You may have some rust problems with metal body parts.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 9:16:52 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: count-your-change

Also each and every one of those cars will be headed to a salvage auction company like copart.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 9:18:39 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: count-your-change

Karma (n.) - when a hoax known as global warming whips a once-in-a-100-years hurricane at a bunch of hoaxes called climate-saving electric cars.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 9:19:35 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: cableguymn

Down in Arkansas they don’t have SALVAGE titles. The buyer better beware of all used cars.

About 50 years ago we had a local cop tell us not to buy a used car in Arkansas. He would not say why, but many many years later I unfortunately learned why.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 9:22:42 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: count-your-change
This basically means that all these electric/hybrid car owners are going to be the first to go.
30 posted on 11/07/2012 9:32:41 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I know. it’s also a state where salvage titled cars went to be cleaned of their “salvage” brand.

Carfax and the such has helped put a stop to it but some do fit through the cracks.

personally, I LOVE salvage cars. Cars are over priced anyways.

I am driving a 2000 Cavalier that a tree fell on. Couple of dents in the hood and a 50 cent piece sized hole in the dash board where a limb went through. I had to put a windshield in it.

Cost of the car. 350. Glass installed 175. Same car with out the salvage title (to be fair, I could hit a salvage yard and get a new hood and dash pad for about 100 bucks) is 3995 at our local dealerships. I have 625 in this one.

My wife is driving a 1997 Dodge Grand Caravan ES. Loaded to the gills. Everything works in it. Very light rear end hit. replaced the bumper and tailgate with pickapart parts. Paid 400 for the van, 100 for the parts. (even got the right color!)

We where offered 2500 for it the other day.

Same van on the dealer lots sell in the 2500-4000 range. Ours would likely be at the top. It has all the options you could buy in 1997 and less than 100K on it.

Both cars have been with us for over 10,000 miles. Neither has given us any mechanical problems and no problems related to the damage (well.. my dash creeks a bit.. but I don’t care)

You have to know what your looking at when you go to look at the cars at the auction. You also can’t get your heart set on one car. Honda/toyota forget about it. They bring near retail and head over seas.

Domestics go cheap. Common cars go really cheap because if there is 1 dodge caravan in the auction there are 10. Another nice bonus when buying the cheap common ones. Parts are also cheap and common. finding body parts in color saves you TONS.

When/if one of these cars dies to the point it’s not worth fixing I will be right back at the copart lot checking out the next one.

We also keep a cargo van around for when I need it for work. It’s also nice to have a spare around. If something breaks down we don’t have to rush to get it repaired.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 9:37:19 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn
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32 posted on 11/07/2012 9:37:51 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: TheRhinelander

For the person that can afford anything...the car that’s worth nothing. Seems right.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 10:04:58 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: cableguymn

Get the parts dried out before they rust too much, they’ll be o.k. Lots of other cars too.

Maybe the rest of NY will bring their unaffordable wheels in to be “lost” to Sandy. Shame to waste a perfectly good disaster.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 10:13:24 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Bshaw

A car battery can be a good fire starter. May not sart a car but short the terminals and get a spark.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 10:17:25 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

...'nuff said.
36 posted on 11/07/2012 11:55:40 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: count-your-change

Big difference between “15,000 Electric Cars” (title) and “320 Karmas” (text).

Don’t facts matter to writers any more?


37 posted on 11/08/2012 12:04:58 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: Fresh Wind

No. Writing the news is like free association in thinking, just write whatever comes to mind.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 12:36:27 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

“I’m deeply saddened..”


39 posted on 11/08/2012 12:48:44 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: count-your-change
A car battery can be a good fire starter.

A little electronics battery can be a good fire starter.

http://offgridsurvival.com/steel-woolfirestarter/

40 posted on 11/08/2012 5:23:52 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

A nine volt battery and steel wool works well. I know I wouldn’t freeze if there was something to burn available.


41 posted on 11/08/2012 5:47:48 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: cableguymn

The way it works here is anywhere there is a wreck, if it is considered “totaled” the auto is moved to Missouri for salvage. Instead of salvage it is cleaned, repaired where any damage does not show, and moved into Arkansas.

There are lots of “salvage” places along the Missouri border just north of us. Now they have been found to be running these ruined autos into other states.

Back about 35 years ago, the company I worked for decided they needed a new auto for the plant manager. They bought a “Brand New” one with less than 60 miles on it.

After several years, I noticed some cracks in the paint, and that the color of the trunk and rear panel did not exactly match the other parts. A quick look under some of the padding showed dents, and lots of bondo.

Years ago I had a wreck on the front of an auto I had, and it was considered “totaled”. We sold it to a local junk yard where it sat for a few days, then I went by and it was gone. There in the junk yard was the entire front end which had been removed and replaced from another junked auto.

Many years later, I had another wreck (caused by another driver) in which my truck was “totaled”. The local truck dealer took it in and a few weeks later I saw it going down the road. I know it was mine because of minor blemishes on the off side where no damage occured.


42 posted on 11/08/2012 7:43:21 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: cableguymn

I found out the hard way that if a car is flooded, DON”T TOUCH IT! The electronic parts will corrode almost immediately, and the rotating parts will get water in the bearings and fail in short order.

People don’t realize that all electric motor and alternator bearings are designed to keep lubricants in, but not water out. That is what the hood is supposed to do.

On the truck I was sold under false pretenses, the following parts failed within a few weeks.
Electric window motors.
Starter.
Alternator.
radio

AC and heater motor.

Then I found water in the differential oil.

Rust began to show through all over the truck. When I pulled out the door panels to replace the window motors I was shocked to find rust all over the unpainted interior parts of the door.

No, a flooded truck or auto is no more valuable than scrap iron.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 7:54:02 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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