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Hindsight will view Romney as a poor candidate with no core values who looked deeply uncomfortable
Daily Mail UK ^ | Toby Harnden

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:21:33 PM PST by Arthurio

Inside the ballroom in the Boston conference centre where Romney gave his perfunctory concession speech last night, his supporters were stunned by the scale of his defeat when just hours earlier they were confident of success or at least a nail-biting finish.

But hindsight will probably view Mitt Romney a poor presidential candidate who appeared to have no core values, was selected only reluctantly by his own party and campaigned as if the whole experience was deeply uncomfortable for him.

He made plenty of mistakes but his biggest failing was that even after running for the White House for the best part of six years it was hard to fathom exactly who he was or what he really believed – as opposed to what he thought voters wanted him to believe.

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1 posted on 11/07/2012 6:21:40 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Arthurio

Looking like he’s walking around with a broom handle up his ass didn’t help either.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 6:27:03 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Arthurio

I just have to laugh at the British and Canadian fascination with U.S. politics.

The fact is that Romney WAS a good candidate. He was singularly equipped with the skills to turn this country around.

Over two million less Republicans voted for Romney than they did McCain. Total Republicans that didn’t vote for him probably double that.

Once I discovered that I went outside, faced the West and yelled, “I hope your farking happy, Jim Robinson!”

I blame many others here as well but it’s not really any of your fault. You were simply mirroring a popular sentiment.

I hope all of you are happy. The damage in the next four years will be unrepairable.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 6:29:13 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: TheRhinelander

The fact is Romney was chosen by the media to run. The liberal media knew Romney was the one in the race that provided the Dems all the ammunition needed to shoot him down, and they were right.

Class warfare, religious differences that would alienate the evangelicals, corporate raider history that would enrage blue collar voters, unlikeable stage presence, and the list goes on.

We got punked


4 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:49 PM PST by wrench
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To: Arthurio

If only he had been as ruthless with Obama as he was with all of his conservative primary challengers.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 6:40:13 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Arthurio

All of those things are true, and Romney only got bumps when (a) the party selected Paul Ryan as his running mate and (b) he had a rare flash of personal beliefs, such as in the first debate.

Romney was quite aggressive about eliminating his GOP opponents in the primary, but he lost all his aggressiveness once he became the candidate because the GOP honchos seemed to believe that the best way to beat Obama was by trying to be as similar to him ideologically as possible, only without some of his more annoying mannerisms.

I didn’t like him overall (except when he showed that rare flash of principle) but I voted for him, and I think he would have done a decent job as president if only because the people who would have surrounded him would not have been the dangerous band of radical leftist and Islamist flakes that surround Obama.

We actually needed someone who could have given a call to battle, but that might have been uncomfortable for the GOP-e, and we wouldn’t want that, would we.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 6:41:16 PM PST by livius
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To: TheRhinelander

“The fact is that Romney WAS a good candidate. He was singularly equipped with the skills to turn this country around.”

Yes. He was.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 6:43:26 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: Arthurio

He tried to turn onto Reagan and failed.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 6:43:26 PM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: TheRhinelander

“The fact is that Romney WAS a good candidate.”

Up against the worthless slacker, he was an EXCELLENT candidate. But the slacker owned the “media”. I hope the 2 million who sat this one out are proud as hell of themselves. Just keep re-arranging those chairs on the deck. SS 2016 is underway. Thar she blows!!!


9 posted on 11/07/2012 6:45:40 PM PST by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: ElayneJ

Wow you guys really drank the koolaid.

It’s OK, He lost, you don’t need to pretend he’s a decent candidate anymore.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 6:45:59 PM PST by delapaz
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To: Arthurio

This gem of wisdom coming from a puking rag in the socialist armpit of Europe.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 6:47:07 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TheRhinelander
The fact is that Romney WAS a good candidate. He was singularly equipped with the skills to turn this country around.

The story title is dead on. You have filters on your sight. Romney lost Massachusetts, a former governor of this state. So did the most "bipartisan Senator" Brown. Both had unclear values.

Ronald Reagan won Massachusetts twice. Here is the pattern. Reagan was able to tell America his vision, a conservative one. He was able to say it with grace. His emphasis on freedome, small taxes, and limited government appealed to enough to crush the liberals. He kept his grace all the while the liberals would rely on their name calling tactics. Democrats crossed over and voted for him in droves because his values appealed to many of them.

Even as gracious as he was, he was no push over. During one of his early primaries, he refused to be cut off from talking, grabbing the microphone reminding the moderator he paid for this microphone.

Reagan had class.

Romney is a good family man and a good businessman. Reagan was a good leader. He had vision. We knew what he saw.

12 posted on 11/07/2012 6:58:50 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: TheRhinelander
The fact is that Romney WAS a good candidate. He was singularly equipped with the skills to turn this country around.

The story title is dead on. You have filters on your sight. Romney lost Massachusetts, a former governor of this state. So did the most "bipartisan Senator" Brown. Both had unclear values.

Ronald Reagan won Massachusetts twice. Here is the pattern. Reagan was able to tell America his vision, a conservative one. He was able to say it with grace. His emphasis on freedome, small taxes, and limited government appealed to enough to crush the liberals. He kept his grace all the while the liberals would rely on their name calling tactics. Democrats crossed over and voted for him in droves because his values appealed to many of them.

Even as gracious as he was, he was no push over. During one of his early primaries, he refused to be cut off from talking, grabbing the microphone reminding the moderator he paid for this microphone.

Reagan had class.

Romney is a good family man and a good businessman. Reagan was a good leader. He had vision. We knew what he saw.

13 posted on 11/07/2012 6:58:57 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: TheRhinelander
The fact is that Romney WAS a good candidate. He was singularly equipped with the skills to turn this country around.

The story title is dead on. You have filters on your sight. Romney lost Massachusetts, a former governor of this state. So did the most "bipartisan Senator" Brown. Both had unclear values.

Ronald Reagan won Massachusetts twice. Here is the pattern. Reagan was able to tell America his vision, a conservative one. He was able to say it with grace. His emphasis on freedome, small taxes, and limited government appealed to enough to crush the liberals. He kept his grace all the while the liberals would rely on their name calling tactics. Democrats crossed over and voted for him in droves because his values appealed to many of them.

Even as gracious as he was, he was no push over. During one of his early primaries, he refused to be cut off from talking, grabbing the microphone reminding the moderator he paid for this microphone.

Reagan had class.

Romney is a good family man and a good businessman. Reagan was a good leader. He had vision. We knew what he saw.

14 posted on 11/07/2012 6:59:00 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: TheRhinelander

So, you’re blaming Jim Robinson for Obama’s reelection?

That’s just childish.

Next time you put up a candidate, pick one that’s not a pale copy of the Democrat and maybe you’ll get some votes.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 7:03:16 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: TheRhinelander

“I hope all of you are happy. The damage in the next four years will be unrepairable.”

Next 4 years? Obama will get illegals to vote and Puerto Rico will become our 51st state. This was the end game and the last chance for any Republican to win.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 7:09:04 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: ElayneJ

I will view Governor Romney in a positive way looking back. Here was a truly decent man. Had he been running against another decent man, he would have won. In fact, I might go out on a limb and say he was one of the most decent men to run for president in history.

Romney will serve as a tragic example of character assassination at its worst. His is a story of a squeeky clean, all-American father and grandfather who had achieved the American dream, with the experience to fix our economic woes, demonized and turned into a monster by the MSM and the Chicago team.

By the end, I had a lot of respect for Mitt, and I wish him all the best, along with his wonderful wife and family.
You were up against Stalin, Mitt. Unfortunately, nobody beats Uncle Joe.

It will be interesting if we hear from Mitt over the next few years as we’ve heard from Palin and McCain. It would be good to see him again :)


17 posted on 11/07/2012 7:12:16 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: TheRhinelander; Jim Robinson

You are supposed to ping freepers that you are talking about, when you launch a straight out attack against a freeper, especially the owner, then you really need to ping him.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 7:17:21 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Arthurio

I don’t think that Romney was Main Sewer Media’s candidate. As I recall, our neighbours who registered as Republicans selected him as the candidate. Blame the MSM for protecting Obamao, even after Benghazi and Fast and Furious, bigger scandals than the scandal of the scotch tape on a door that was Watergate.

Yeah, yeah, Romney was bad, ran a bad campaign, we should have nominated a true conservative like a David Duke, etc, etc.

‘splain to me, Lucy, why the Republicans who had voted for Juan McCain in 2008 stayed home this year! Or have they all croaked in the meantime? By any measure Mitt wasn’t worse than Juan. Unless of course the Republican voters are as dumb as the Rats.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 7:19:56 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Arthurio

Romney was probably the best candidate that the GOP could have run this cycle. Republicans can’t sit around waiting for the next Reagan because it isn’t going to come unless some rich conservative wants to start a “Boys from Brazil” type program. He was a good candidate that ran a good campaign by conventional wisdom. He tried to build an ideological coalition and failed. Obama built an interest group coalition and succeeded. That might be the wave of the future,


20 posted on 11/07/2012 7:20:37 PM PST by garbanzo (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine)
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To: Viennacon

Romney should never have been involved in republican politics, he needs to be driven far away and never heard from again.

After reassuring the left that he still supported homosexual Boy Scout leaders and homosexualizing the military, Mitt said this in an interview with Scott Pelly.

Mitt Romney on August 27, 2012, in a CBS interview.

PELLEY: Well, the platform as written at this convention for the Republicans does not allow for exceptions on abortion with regard to the health of the mother or rape or incest. Is that where you are?

ROMNEY: No. My position has been clear throughout this campaign. I’m in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 7:23:47 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: garbanzo

“Romney was probably the best candidate that the GOP could have run this cycle. Republicans can’t sit around waiting for the next Reagan because it isn’t going to come unless some rich conservative wants to start a “Boys from Brazil” type program. He was a good candidate that ran a good campaign by conventional wisdom.”

No argument with you there, Romney ran the “archetypical Republican campaign”, and as such, was the epitome of what “a Republican presidential candidate” is perceived to be, these days.

Having said that, there is an emerging majority of the American voting population that no longer seems to have any interest in what the Republican party and traditional American philosophy has to offer, any more.

They just aren’t buying what we got to sell ‘em...

In today’s America, with the possible exception of us old white folks, the “Republican brand” is on the verge of becoming obsolete...


22 posted on 11/07/2012 7:39:46 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: TheRhinelander

“The fact is that Romney WAS a good candidate. He was singularly equipped with the skills to turn this country around.”

Those are two very different things. He was the candidate best suited to be Zero’s punching bag.

RINOmney failed to unite the base - or represent their collective values.
He ran a take no risk, Dewey-styled campaign.
He looked uncomfortable in his own skin from start to finish.
He represented exactly the wrong thing as the citizens blame Wall Street and Big Business for the economic woes they are experiencing.

... all known from day 1. The GOPe pushed for him anyway.

He joins a similar line-up of losers:

Ford
Dole
McCain
Romney


23 posted on 11/07/2012 7:39:46 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: wrench
The fact is, Romney was the candidate to defeat Obama. If you couldn't get past that simple reality then you were unfit to vote and should have stayed in and done your nails. All the rest is BS.
24 posted on 11/07/2012 7:44:17 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: garbanzo; Clintonfatigued; rightwingintelligentsia; sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; ...
>> Hindsight will view Romney as a poor candidate with no core values who looked deeply uncomfortable <<

>> Romney was probably the best candidate that the GOP could have run this cycle <<

I'm going to take a middle of the road approach on this one. Romney was indeed a poor candidate with no core values (disagree he "looked deeply uncomfortable" -- if anything, the problem was he looked TOO comfortable and plastic, nobody bought his sincerity). The GOP establishment was very foolish to think a guy who has won 1 election in his whole life and couldn't get re-elected in his own state was the "electable" choice.

At the same time, I guess I have to agree that Romney was probably the best candidate that the GOP could have run this cycle. We had a pathetic set of candidates for our bench this year and it really doomed our chances against Obama. I think most of them would have done WORSE than Romney. Even Santorum, who I eventually ended up voting for, would have had major problems winning the Presidential election in November because he had been crushed in his home state and was easily demonized as a fire-breathing socially conservative "extremist"

I think Paul Ryan ultimately helped cement Romney with the GOP base, though he didn't energize the ticket as much as Palin had in 2008. I disagree with some conservatives who say we would have won more swing states and hispanic voters if Romney had picked Rubio. Rubio was the ideal veep choice on paper but I honestly feel non-Cuban Hispanics wouldn't care if there was a Cuban on the ticket -- they'd still vote for O for the free stuff, and it's quite possible we would have still lost Florida, as we managed to lose Wisconsin with both Paul Ryan and Tommy Thompson on the top of the ticket.

Every election cycle we hear how this is the "most important election of our lifetime", and while I'm pretty sure we'll hear the same in 2016, I fear the damage from two terms of Obama will be irreversible and leave this nation in a really sorry state where it's unrecognizable. Not sure Romney would have fixed the damage from the first four years though, electing him was a real gamble. We need to look at what conservatives in the UK and Canada are doing, since they are able to bring a number of blacks, asians, and non-Christians (Sikhs, Muslims, Jews, etc.) in their tent when American conservatives have been really struggling at electing any minorities that are not in safe GOP districts and states. The UK Conservative Party even has a very conservative Muslim who is a member of Cameron's cabinet. She's pretty much a Muslim In Name Only and regular Muslims despise her, but here in the US I'm pretty sure a bunch of angry "evangelicals" would be on the warpath if Romney even suggested the possibility of a Muslim in his cabinet, no matter how conservative they are.

Romney sucked. But the other candidates sucked more. Odd that a number of freepers seem to have really grown to like him over the last few months, now that we no longer have to pretend Romney is a terrific guy.

25 posted on 11/07/2012 7:49:34 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Romney was the one with the most MONEY, he bought his way in. He couldn’t even beat the guy that lost to Obama last time.

In politics, Romney is the most experienced loser in the US.

We should have had a conservative on the GOP ticket, not a limousine liberal from Mass. Hell, the loser couldn’t even carry his home state.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 7:52:52 PM PST by wrench
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To: TheRhinelander
I'm pretty happy.

Romney wasn't a good candidate.

The GOP heads knew that Romney would never get elected. They just used him to trot out and get donations. They had no intentions of even trying to unseat Obama.

The only thing that could make me happier is when the lemmings get tired of following the GOP over the cliff.

27 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:21 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Arthurio

campaigned as if the whole experience was deeply uncomfortable for him.
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No doubt it was ...

He was forced to shake hands and socialize with peons and other inferior types...

Elitists dont play well with others...


28 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:48 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: TheRhinelander

You misspelled your FR name.. it should be TheRINOlander.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 8:00:27 PM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: Viennacon

Romney will serve as a tragic example of character assassination at its worst.
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Yeah the way Willard attacked and assasinated the charactors of the other GOP candidates and Governor Sarah Palin was disgusting ...


30 posted on 11/07/2012 8:07:02 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: delapaz

“It’s OK, He lost, you don’t need to pretend he’s a decent candidate anymore.”

He has executive experience and financial expertise - degrees in both law and business. What’s wrong with all that? Who would you have selected?


31 posted on 11/07/2012 8:16:35 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: BillyBoy; garbanzo; Clintonfatigued; rightwingintelligentsia; sickoflibs; AuH2ORepublican; ...

it was strong Obambi in the precinct that I worked. 55% to 45%.
suburban CT.

The state rep candidate, we increased our vote in this precinct vs. the Lefty incumbent from 40.1% in 2010 to 43.7% in 2012. Despite the top of the ticket.

There were 5 precincts ... this one is always the worst of the 5. The one next door increased from from 43.9 in 2010 to 45.9%.

Mission accomplished. The other 3 precincts put us over the top by 277 votes total.

How did we do it? We rang doorbells. And then rang more doorbells. And we were polite and friendly.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 8:28:13 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: BillyBoy; garbanzo; Clintonfatigued; rightwingintelligentsia; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; ...
RE :”Romney sucked. But the other candidates sucked more. Odd that a number of freepers seem to have really grown to like him over the last few months, now that we no longer have to pretend Romney is a terrific guy.”

Great point!

I saw Scott Walker on FNC tonight and in-spite of the national election loss (disaster) he picked up seats at the WI state level and now controls the house and Senate again, reversing the Dem recall successes to make net gains,

He is the only Republican I see who shows promise, He looks and sounds good, is not a liberal, nor does he have a history of DC big gubment votes under Bush.
And best yet he takes on Dems head on and beats them senseless.
A Conservative friend here (not many Cs here) told me “Walker has balls of steel” , I love that quote.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 8:31:18 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: Arthurio

I did not support romney to begin , but I was very impressed with the man and would vote for him again.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 8:34:24 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: sickoflibs

Even worse

‘Rich liberal” LOL


35 posted on 11/07/2012 8:36:10 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: Arthurio

Cold hard facts
People like Clinton—Gore-Kerry—Obama should not even get within hailing distance of the presidency in a normal populace

Mickey Mouse should have been able to landslide against them

We have a majority brainwashed society that is kept that way by the schools and MSM

No nation has ever turned itself around once down the road to ruin

We are on the fast track now


36 posted on 11/07/2012 8:37:52 PM PST by uncbob
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To: BillyBoy; Gilbo_3
RE:”.....now that we no longer have to pretend Romney is a terrific guy.”

LOL, I love it!

Reading that 'Romney will save us' crap here was giving me the creeps.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 8:41:12 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: Arthurio

Hindsight will view Romney as a poor candidate with no core values who looked deeply uncomfortable


At the risk of sounding like I’m saying I told ya so. Shouldn’t foresight have told folks this at the beginning of the primary?


38 posted on 11/07/2012 9:11:36 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: sickoflibs; Perdogg; LS; BillyBoy; EternalVigilance; BlackElk; PhilCollins; Impy; ...
Note yours truly predicted this fiasco months and months ago. A dangerous and execrable tyrant, one of the most easily defeated given the disasters on his watch, but yet who did the GOP nominate ? Willard. Someone who would say anything to get elected, and just about did, and for which he believed in nothing that the Conservative movement stands for. A rank opportunist who used his wealth and with the help of the gutless party liberal establishment, all but chased out any viable contenders.

A rich, country-clubber, flip-flopping failed Socialist Governor, one for whom he wouldn't hesistate to go nuclear on Republicans (like McCain), but could barely do so against a Democrat. I've hesistated to definitively call them "ringers", but frankly, it's about as damn close as you can get. I denounced such a showdown as an IL-style "Combiner" fix. Whomever got in, nothing would really change and the same corrupt bipartisan cabal runs the show.

You can see how sickened and frustrated I am that I saw this train wreck coming and screamed like hell to put a stop to it and why I was so big on replacing Willard with Walker. Playing Mr. Nice Guy doesn't work, you either annihilate your opponent, given the stakes, or don't bother to run. Every day we lose this country more and more, even when we score wins here and there (such as in 2010), they seem more Pyrrhic than anything else. When are we going to realize the opposition, both inside our party and without, have a truly nefarious agenda. It's about raw power, and if it means bleeding this country dry, overturning the rule of law and our Constitutional foundations, that's what they'll do, and have already done so.

Without these leftist parasites and debasers of our remarkable nation over the past century+, who knows how much futher along we would be culturally, economically, spiritually, etc., today. They don't want us to become a better country, their utopia is the stuff of nightmares and perpetual dependence. Think "Oceania" in "1984." An upper class of political elites running the whole show.

Take a look at many cities today where they've had unencumbered control for decades and tell me that it doesn't resemble a similar nightmare -- with just one minor difference, there's no "middle" of the pyramid, for whom the protagonist in "1984" belonged to. You have the political class, insulated from much of the reality they've created, usually well-to-do (with their gains made from usually illicit means), and then the great parasite/feral/criminal class, whom have been like that for at least several generations (post-1950s).

They have long forgotten the stability of the two-parent household, the biblical values of thrift and hard work, no use for such things as ethics and morality that make for stable community. They are bribed with crumbs (albeit expensive crumbs), kept perpetually aggrieved by the political class exploiters, and if there are any that start to question things (a la Winston), well... you know what happens with them.

All in all, what leftism has enabled en masse from the late 19th/early 20th century onward. People like Zero, the culmination of this horrific nightmare. Not the triumph of a color-blind society, but the spawn of a very race-conscious debased utopian horror, elected by a collection of those urban ferals/parasites, moronic halfwits who get their news from late night comedians and music stars, union thugs, group rights gangsters, overeducated elitists and other debauched dingbats.

Can we beat them ? Yes. But we need to stop listening to the namby-pamby turds like Rove (who has a nasty habit of backing liberal country-clubbers and senile imbeciles while railing against movement Conservatives) and fight like hell against the party establishment, whom frankly don't seem to give a damn one way or another if they win the general election. We need bonafide fighters who recognize we are in a war for our very civilization, our very way of life and existence. These are the people we need to get behind and all else can take a hike. If we don't do it, and now, there will be precious little left. Anyone want to fathom where we'll be in another 20 years, 30, if we continue on the course we're on ? Remember where we were 30 years ago. Imagining a future like this during Reagan's first term is like a terrible nightmare. Unfortunately, it's now the reality. It's time to say, "This is enough ! We're taking OUR country back."

39 posted on 11/07/2012 9:30:54 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Gilbo_3

I saw it too and warned as I did in 2008 but the Koolaid train here threatened to destroy everything in their way.

We had to say Mitt was Reagan or we all die. they said.

Gilb stayed with me though, voice of reason :)


40 posted on 11/07/2012 9:57:08 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: Viennacon

I wholly agree with everything you wrote. Romney wasn’t my preferred candidate during the primaries and in fact he ticked me off at times, but i thought he ran a strong campaign and certainly deserved to win far more than his opponent. More than that it looked like his was well on his way to victory right before Sandy stormed ashore and rescued Obama, perhaps the luckiest politician who has ever lived.

So was Romney really that bad?

In the end blaming him doesn’t help much and isn’t even fair in my opinion. He picked a conservative running mate and campaigned much more to the right than most of us expected. He also fought hard and was drawing huge, passionate crowds everywhere he went. From my perspective Romney did more than well enough to not only win, but win easily.

Obama didn’t beat Romney. Ultimately the money (how much of it was foreign) and the media combined with the last-minute flukey storm was what swept him back into the Oval Office. Perhaps too Romney’s Mormonism hurt him with Evangelicals more than anyone anticipated and way too many of them stayed home for that reason.

But in any event i really hope that we’ll all be united in directing our anger at the mainstream media, at all those in their ranks who have betrayed the country along with every journalistic principle that they are supposed to aspire to. That is far more constructive than tearing ourselves apart, which is exactly what the left wants us to do.

My hope is that 2012 will live in infamy for the media. May they never live down their deplorable conduct.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 10:10:11 PM PST by Humbug
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To: sickoflibs
hehehehe...it was a no-brainer to see that mittens didnt have a chance with his record...add in a finely honed and unchallenged fraud campaign, a complicit media runnin propaganda, and lots of monopoly money to buy votes...

also mittens comes across as a used car salesman, is an anti Christian and didnt mind throwing lots of people under his own bus, and well, with a further dumbed down and third world demographic, it was the perfect storm to be seen from miles away...

then how many of us said "HELL NO !!! we will not stay on the rin-o-p plantation and hold noses" ???

do you believe me [us] now that the votes aint guaranteed when thr 'R' guy is a progressive pos ???

42 posted on 11/07/2012 11:17:14 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Arthurio

One RNC worker who tweeted conservative critic Debbie Schlussel noted that the GOP relied on phone banks while the Democrats had a get out the vote army.

After four years, the RNC did nothing to build a modern get out the vote organization. It failed utterly!

Besides the mechanics, Mitt Romney’s lack of principles, his inherent liberalism and arrogant confidence in victory contributed to his defeat.

America’s demographics are changing but “me too, only bigger” is not what what voters what. People will pick the Original Coke liberal over the generic pretend New Coke liberal every time.

Put it all together, the scale of Romney’s loss doesn’t exactly come as a surprise.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 11:54:22 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

The GOP needs to be gutted from top to bottom, everyone associate with the debacles of the last 4+ years needs to be gone, anyone associated with the Bushes, or any of the candidates from the 2008 and 2012 campaigns need to find other lines of work.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 11:56:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: TheRhinelander

The truth is he WAS a poor candidate and conservatives overlooked all their misgivings about Mittens even though he and his inner circle despised conservatives and wanted nothing to do with them. He was a liberal Republican and wasn’t the party’s first choice for its nominee. 60% of Republican voters wanted someone else. Romney got the party nod only because he had the least damaging political baggage of any of the candidates in the field. Unfortunately, the political baggage he carried was still a significant enough liability enough to sink him in the general election.

If the GOP establishment continues to insist on nominating liberal Republicans, the party will continue to lose elections. The GOP needs to stand for something, not just to agree with the prevailing liberal ideology. If it can’t remake itself, then it will die. If we get another candidate like Mittens, we’re guaranteed another loss in 2016, only bigger.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 12:02:40 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: sickoflibs

Scott Walker and Mike Pence are the kind of conservatives who can win.

You need to have Reagan’s character, optimism, ability to connect with Americans and a brand of conservatism that makes a difference in people’s lives.

The GOP is still the majority party in the country but it keeps being hobbled by the lousy presidential candidates it keeps on nominating. The GOP needs to revisit a nominating process that allows the next primary loser to win the GOP nomination by default.

And the GOP needs to find a way to compete on the new political terrain in this country or its faces extinction! This is not exactly rocket science. We were forewarned of this four years ago but the party did nothing to change and prepare for the future. Conservatism has remained stuck in the past. Reagan is history! If we’re not willing to build a new coalition, we will never again see a Republican President in our lifetime.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 12:13:15 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: wrench

You have the WRONG FR name here :/

You are correct.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 2:58:26 AM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: delapaz

I don’t think the Romneybots will ever shut up... I see, 16 years down the line... them still blaming us ‘purists’ for the major malfunction... (BTW, I voted for the lesser of 2 evils.. Romney)... So, for all of you squishy Romneybots, FU.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 3:01:42 AM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: donna; Jim Robinson
Next time you put up a candidate, pick one that’s not a pale copy of the Democrat and maybe you’ll get some votes.


I think it's time for another RINO/squishy/Romney purge
49 posted on 11/08/2012 3:06:24 AM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Your essay: you are much more optimistic than me. It reads like a description of where we were in 1993. Please tell us what happened, now that it is 20 years further down the road.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 3:17:48 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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