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Fighting back: The next four years.
vanity | Nov. 7, 2012 | generally

Posted on 11/07/2012 4:57:00 PM PST by generally

Statistics show that conservatives are overwhelmingly the people in this country who volunteer their time and give their money to charities.

Very few of the lefties I know ever do anything that isn't for their own benefit. When they give, it's to political causes. The only time they ever do anything for the underprivileged, the at-risk, the needy is if they are getting paid to do it.

I say we pull out and let the country see what happens when an army of conservative volunteers fails to show up.

Let's switch places with the lefties. Let them do the heavy charitable lifting while we focus on politics.

I have for many years done a lot of volunteer work and given much to charity. That ends today.

In addition, I will do my best to avoid patronizing any business that supported 0bama.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 4:57:02 PM PST by generally
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To: generally

I think it is interesting that these were my exact thoughts. I have ended all charity for the foreseeable future. I am also not going to volunteer any goods, services or time. I am done.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 5:04:53 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: generally

Won’t work. Under Obama, there are no homeless and no poor people. Don’t you watch the news?


3 posted on 11/07/2012 5:05:57 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, the Catholic Church is illegal.)
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To: generally

I agree. I will not donate anything (material goods, money) to any charity. When the calls come in I will tell them to call the Kenyan Santa Claus at the White Hut.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 5:08:48 PM PST by Student0165
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To: generally

WOOOHOOOO, generally!


5 posted on 11/07/2012 5:12:56 PM PST by PGalt
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To: generally

Nice idea. But then the lefties will say, “See? This is why we need government social services.”


6 posted on 11/07/2012 5:15:07 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: generally

I hear your frustration....but why bleed into the shark pool?

We’ve worked so hard to dispel the old stereotypes of Scrooge-like conservatives. Remember the “kinder, gentler nation”? Remember “compassionate conservativism?”

We can’t throw that away by becoming troll food.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:04 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: generally
FReeper, you would only be hurting people that need you and your help. I understand you irritation. Know that you help the nation more by demonstrating how innately good most conservatives are. Keep your faith. The evil in the world will not win forever. Our brothers and sisters will not be blind to the evil forever.
8 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:30 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: generally

If you do this, you will have just become that which you despise.
Think carefully.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:30 PM PST by Nonsense Unlimited
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To: generally

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds”- Samuel Adams


10 posted on 11/07/2012 5:18:50 PM PST by samadams2000
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To: Truth2012

Not bad ideas guys but, we also have to think big picture here. The demographics of this country are changing and in order to build a conservative majority we absolutely have to make minorities feel comfortable in this party.

I was listening on the radio today and a black man was talking about how Voter ID, Immigration Reform, Welfare reform drive minorities away who may otherwise be attracted to our economic message due to the racist undertones of such policies.

Don’t get all upset. I was offened by this suggestion, too. The last thing I think about when I support these ideas is racism. But, apparently minorities see everything through the prism of race. To be honest, I’m thinking mostly about fiscal responsibility and national integrity with these items. Nevertheless, our minority brothers and sisters (blacks, asians, hispanics) are inferring something nefarious when that is the last thing being implied.

Our mission over the next several years should be to do a better job of welcoming minorities into the conservative party and make sure we do a better job of explaining how our policy ideas help everyone. On the flip side, we also need to keep explaining how the policies of the left have done minorities no good over the last 60 years.

The bottom line is the conservative movement won’t survive unless we can get minorities on board. We need to step up and get these folks on board helping us.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 5:19:15 PM PST by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: generally

“Because iniquity abounds, the love of many will grow cold” - Matthew 24:12

Then there’s the part about being hated, and being betrayed and put to death for His Name’s sake.

You people ready?

Endure to the end. Overcome. That is the command.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 5:20:30 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mustangman

You belong with the Ruling Class GOP-e.

We have ALREADY surrendered and compromised what Conservative values we had to ‘reach out’ to those who are going to vote Marxist/Socialist no matter what Conservatives do to the point the GOP stands for NOTHING but a status quo.

We’re done with that. We lost yesterday BECAUSE the GOP has done exactly what idiocy you are advocating now. Reach-out = compromise and surrender.

The GOP can pound sand, we’re done compromising. It’s time to stand, or die in the process of standing.

You can go lick the palms of your GOP-e Ruling Class masters and pound sand along with them.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 5:26:21 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: generally

I say we all just quit work. If we did, where would the government get money to operate. Where would they get the money to give goodies to the freeloading 50% who live off the government. I am old enough to just retire and have been thinking about it. One thing for damn sure is I’m getting my passport renewed, just in case. This country is in a flat spin and the rudder fell off. All 4 engines are on fire on fire, and one wing is breaking free. She’s nosing down as I strap on my parachute. Bailing out...


14 posted on 11/07/2012 5:30:30 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: generally

I was going to reply to this post but, what’s the point?


15 posted on 11/07/2012 5:33:53 PM PST by Misterioso ("Evil requires the sanction of the victim." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: generally

             

16 posted on 11/07/2012 5:34:25 PM PST by tomkat ( <shrug>)
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To: Mustangman

Blacks will never come over. And Voter ID will prevent more vote fraud than the honest number of minorities that would feel as that guy did. It’s just a lame excuse as they’ve been brainwashed by their white overlords. With each election we see the racial divide more and more. We should be reaching out to Democrats of all races, not engaging in alienating racial pandering


17 posted on 11/07/2012 5:35:02 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: INVAR

You are missing the point, sir.

I said absolutely nothing about compromising our principles. I said we need to explain to minorities how our principles can be of help to them. Minorities are not comfortable with us. This is a problem we need to address and a challenge we absolutely have to embrace.

We need talk about our principles and get them on board....not compromise! Get it? We need their help....whether you want to admit it or not.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 5:37:10 PM PST by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Truth2012

that is exactly what i decided to do!


19 posted on 11/07/2012 5:40:23 PM PST by annelizly
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To: Mustangman
California had a similar policy if I recall.
It seemed to work out well didn't it?

Your idea will work with many I'm sure of that. But how do we screen them out to get good results? There is a large large number of so called minorities that are addicted to handouts. Withdrawal will painful for all party's involved.

20 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:44 PM PST by fudimo
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To: generally

A suggestion ......

There are truly people in need. Pick some way to help them BUT make it local. Make it face-to-face. Don’t donate to the big operations. I read an article once that it is really “easy” to get that welfare check in the mail ... not so easy to accept a bag of groceries from a real human being who has taken their money to buy you food ... folks who get their aid face-to-face tend to get off the aid much faster.

One of my strongest and best childhood memories happened at Thanksgiving, when I was fairly small - I think my youngest brother was still a baby so I was maybe 6 or 7. Someone called the church to ask for help for an elderly couple they knew about. Since it was not a week day, no one was in the office and my dad heard the phone ring and picked it up. These old folks had no food and little heat (if any). The person calling wanted to know if anyone at the church could help. Dad said he would pass the info on. He got to thinking about it .... and after the service, we went grocery shopping, then drove to a not-so-good part of town. I still remember walking up the steps with him as he carried the two grocery bags and the look on the faces of those old people when a true gift, a miracle for them, appeared at their door.

Don’t give up - the Lefties win if you do. Pick carefully who you help (you can always donate time instead of money) and I think you will be ‘rewarded’ in many ways. Matthew 25:45 “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’


21 posted on 11/07/2012 5:42:01 PM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: generally

I agree with the part of not patronizing 0bama friendly businesses.

No GM, GE, Chrysler, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Comcast, UBS, and those are what I can think of right now.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 5:45:16 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: lwoodham

I have 10 years left on a mortgage and the youngest in college. Not ready to quit work, but I would love to, because I am bone tired and in pretty rotten health for 54 yrs old.

I am also tired of the stress of working 50-60 hour weeks, month after month, year after year.

Can Obama confiscate our 401-Ks? If so, there is no point in working.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 5:45:50 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: generally

I’m with you but just organized national charities. The give me class have become so accustomed to handouts that they take them for granted.

I had the very great misfortune of being at a toys for tots distribution once. It was disgusting watching those women grab and pull toys and stuff them in their cars. Can’t be bothered to actually say thank you or even acknowledge the work involved.

Same with the local soup kitchen. Used to be thank you and God bless, now it is what’s for lunch today.

I have cancelled it all today. No more United Way or Outreach. Even toys for tots is out. I’ll play secret Santa to some kid on my daughters soccer instead.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 5:52:03 PM PST by sharkshooting
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To: Mustangman

I concur except there is no Conservative party the GOP abandoned us years ago. I am a conservative independent voter. I decline to provide assistance to NJ and NY. They are Obama’s problem not mine. I will be involved in a very large food drive. Since I manage it the food will be recycled into our military community and not to NJ or NY. People want a nanny state let them have it. I will care for my family and myself and the rest may beg from Obama for all I care.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 5:57:17 PM PST by OldGoatCPO
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To: Truth2012

My family and I are going Galt. No “presents” for Christmas. We will enjoy family and church and Jesus, the real reason for the season. They can get along without my purchases. I will not ensure an uptick in this regime’s 4th quarter.

They can go off a cliff, I don’t care.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 6:02:48 PM PST by rep-always
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To: Arthur McGowan
Don't you watch the news?

The affluent withdrawing all charitable contributions will have a significant impact on 0bama's core constituents. I get solicited weekly from them for money, clothes, food, etc. So far, between the continued giving and 0bama's handouts of OUR money, they haven't felt any pain, while at the same time we've been suffering through the 0bama Depression. It's time they did.

27 posted on 11/07/2012 6:03:19 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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To: generally

Just take-care of republicans only, Let the thieves(democrats) rot when their criminal conspirator(Washington) fails to give them enough.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 6:04:27 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: generally

Just take-care of republicans only, Let the thieves(democrats) rot when their criminal conspirator(Washington) fails to give them enough.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 6:04:27 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: generally

OK. Let’s look at Allen West. Last I saw, he was in trouble. Why? Democrats want affirmative action voting, don’t they? Isn’t that why Obama won? But it doesn’t work for West? We have an inconsistency here. Democrats don’t support every black, then? Well, that affirmative action voting truth isn’t a truth then. I believe I disproved the “Obama was just too good of a candidate” truth earlier. That moves two out of the way.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 6:08:10 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: generally

Donate your time and point out to the recipents of your effort: “Not that I expect to get credit for this, but I am a Conservative.” Write on your checks, “This donation was mad by a Conservative.”


31 posted on 11/07/2012 6:08:52 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: lwoodham
I say we all just quit work.

The thought is tempting. Would be interesting to see the result. But work isn't just work. We don't work for work's sake, or even just to make a living. It is a God-given means whereby we serve our neighbor. We serve in performing the specific task, painful as it is, and then, having received some financial reward, we serve again by spending that reward - some to take care of our own needs, but also to take care of family and others who work in vocations that serve us, too.

As for giving up on charity, this is a time when it is needed more than ever, particularly when it comes to Christian believers. They are not under any obligation by the State, per se, to provide for those who will not work (in fact they are enjoined specifically NOT to provide for such), but they are enjoined to provide for those who for reasons beyond their control are unable to work, especially those of the household of Faith. Recent political events make Christian Faith and life all the more pertinent.

Would miss your presence as a neighbor, but understand completely if you really want to bail. As for me, not really. It's not as if I expected my job to somehow land me on a magic carpet to sipping drinks in the Bahamas. Nope. I'll keep working and die in the saddle if I must. No biggie.

32 posted on 11/07/2012 6:09:04 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (double trouble, here we come)
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To: mwl8787
"Can Obama confiscate our 401-Ks? If so, there is no point in working."

He can do any, and everything he wants for 4 years. How can he be stopped? I'm considering taking all my 401K money now while I can, and buying some gold with part of it, and hiding the rest in various places in case the SHTF.

33 posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:46 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: generally

I do donate. But I will give to red states and conservatives first, etc.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 6:13:31 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: PMAS

I have also decided to become as anti-union as possible. Those guys vote against their country year after year. My next car will be constructed with as few union parts as possible. The made in America tag should really say made in America by socialists...


35 posted on 11/07/2012 6:14:31 PM PST by sharkshooting
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To: Mustangman

Then I stand corrected on missing your point.

The GOP Ruling Class is today lecturing Conservatives that we are too rigid and ‘purist’ in our principles, and we need to ‘soften’ them in order to “win” “immigrants” and “Minorities” to our side.

That’s crap - and that is what I thought you were advocating by your earlier statement.

I agree, we need to insist, teach and preach Conservatism (and the Gospel) to those you say we ‘need’ to reach out to. The problem is, too many of us are ashamed of our faith and our principles and end up agreeing with those who hate us that we are ‘intolerant’ because we do not bow to Liberal Socialism.

People are drawn to passion, unwavering conviction and insistence on a belief. It’s why Islam is filling the vacuum lukewarm Christianity has left behind. What I am hearing from those advocating ‘reaching out’ is NOT teaching them our principles - but rather surrendering ours so as to be more ‘palatable’ to those who ‘are not comfortable with us’.

If a culture does not insist on adhering to it’s cultural identities - then it will be assimilated by the strongest agenda out there. America no longer believes in an American culture - and if Conservatives will not stand up to insist on it - then we lose the nation regardless of what group the ruling class demands we pander to.

It’s the same argument the church has about eschewing sin in today’s culture. They are not willing to call it sin, or denounce sin because to do so is called intolerance and judgmentally or puritanism. So to be seen as a ‘good Christian’ - we have bought the Satanic lie that we need to embrace sin, declassify sin as sin and call it a ‘choice’ - and remove the stigma of labels of good and evil by compromising with sin and evil - which is declared to be good.

Same deal with Conservatism right now. Compromise, soften, relent, embrace.

That is the way of death.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:39 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: generally
I have always made a special effort to arrange my affairs so as to minimize the harm that liberals in governent can do to me. I pay taxes, but I make an effort to minimize them by controlling the form, manner and timing of converting wealth to income. I look for ways to avoid regulations that might hinder me. I have planned the transmission of wealth to the next generation so that large death taxes can be minimized. There are things you can do in all areas of your life to avoid being victimized by government.

As I have posted in the past, if you believed that you needed someone like Mitt Romney to "protect" you, then you have become too dependent on government. Organize your life so as to reduce that dependency. Government and politicians are not your friends.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 6:21:33 PM PST by Tau Food (Praise God. Trust God.)
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To: generally

“It was abortion.” This is a tough one. I realllllllly hate abortion, but we must be truthful. The polls show that the majority of Americans dislike abortion. But do they, really? It’s very easy to tell someone on the phone that you are against killing babies. Quite another thing to think about your 16 year old daughter coming up pregnant and you seeing your dreams for your little princess going away as her belly expands. And let’s face it, eugenics and population control play a big part in this. I used to be a Democrat. They are petrified, and I do mean petrified, that there are going to be too many black, brown and yellow people. They think these people will degrade their quality of life and take resources from their kids and grand kids. They trot out their female and black and brown and yellow Kapos to try to appear to be objective and maintain voting blocs. In the privacy of the voting booth, do many people who say they are against abortion actually vote for those who support it? This pro-life explanation may just be camouflage to cover the Democrat racism. But, it could be true. How do we defeat it? We drive out the fear. Your little princess can have her baby adopted. Good grief. If there’s any stigma left about being a single teen mother, I sure haven’t seen it. This is a line in the sand issue for me. We have to drive out this irrational fear that cause people to vote Democrat. Maybe commercials of people playing with their adopted children. I’m pretty sure that most people abhor killing babies, but they go into the polling booth and they are afraid.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 6:27:20 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: generally; Impy; DarthVader
Like others said on this thread: Starve the beast.

I'll just insulate myself even more and tune out the noise.

The time that I would have taken to help others; I'll spend it on me and my family and friends. Need help? Ask Obama or Christie for a handout.

And watching the beast shrink will be a new hobby.

39 posted on 11/07/2012 6:34:20 PM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: Mustangman

In theory you are absolutely correct. However real life experience is that it doesn’t work.

4 years ago I set out to do random acts of goodness, in inner cities. It grew into different ministries. I had the idea that it could really help transform lives- AND - help inform the voter about the truth.

I have seen a number of things. 1) The “black” community loves to hear the truth, and they are willing to talk and even find out about conservationism.

That is until 2) the black Democratic party machine shows up to get those people back on their knees.

If anyone every wants to get serious about the obamaphone voters, the democratic machine has to be taken apart, to allow people the chance to think for themselves.

Other minorities- I don’t know what to do with them. White women? They are Democrats because they are getting back at their daddies.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 6:40:27 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: generally

The Red Cross will find their take from Hurricane Sandy greatly reduced after the election. People won’t give their money if they know that these states voted for Obama, and he is about to tax them to death.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 6:48:38 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: Truth2012

“White women? They are Democrats because they are getting back at their daddies.”

Their daddies should give any estate he may have left after Obama’s rule to SPCA or the Salvation Army instead of to off-spring who mocked his values and rebelled against his good advice.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 6:56:10 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: generally

“A republic - if you can keep it.” Ben Franklin

Truth is, we couldn’t keep it. We’ve been outbred and out manuevered by people envious of the fruits of our hard work and moral values, people who loath who we are, and have acted on that loathing, and who will now have essentially no constraints on such action from here on out.

I do not drop out to teach them a lesson, or to get even, or with some strangely delusional hope that somehow this will propell us to some elevated role in a future renaissance of America. I drop out because I will be dead soon, and I don’t wish to spend my remaining time supporting those who think I owe them my labor.

The country will fall apart or fall into darkness soon, no matter what we do. Charity is a matter of individual conscience, and it begins at home.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 6:58:46 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: generally

Naaah. Pulling to plug on charity focuses on those who don’t deserve it.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 7:04:27 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (A Constitutional Republic, not a suicide pact)
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To: sharkshooting

I try to do that now, but I think the unions that are the biggest voting block are the public sector unions.

By the way the CEO of Amazon, Jeff Bezos gave $1 Million in support of gay marriage and he is in Seattle, WA and I think it was on the ballot there.


45 posted on 11/07/2012 7:20:47 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Nonsense Unlimited; Mustangman

I’ve donated countless hours to mentoring inner city kids (98% black). I’ve donated countless hours to teaching English to immigrants.

Yesterday I was accused of wanting to bring back slavery (because I was handing out Republican sample ballots).

If there is any slavery in the USA it is the slavery of people working hard and handing it over to the deadbeats who do nothing but hold their hands out. We have become their slaves. They’ve had reparations 100 times over.

I am fed up.

I am sick of giving and then being accused of racism and told that I am still not giving enough.

And one more thing. There are various groups at my church that knit, crochet, and quilt. They produce blankets, scarves, hats, mittens. The county government then distributes these items as if it were from the benevolent government, and the church is not allowed to even write Merry Christmas on anything. They also are told that they must not make any of the items red, white, and blue, because some are distributed to muslims and that would be offensive to them.

Am I asking for a pat on the back for my work? No. I don’t even mind being invisible. But being told it’s never enough and that I’m a pro-slavery racist to boot? We all have our limits and I have been pushed past mine.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 7:31:38 PM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Truth2012

I grew up in Oakland. I’m white. My uncle told me if I grow and become poor it’s my own fault. I grew up and decided not to be ppor. The black kids listened to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and our poor. Same neighborhood...different message received....different result.

With that said, we need to keep working this issue. Black folks will never have any real political leverage in this country until they have large numbers in both parties...and they are not just simply abused by their Democratic masters.

In all seriousness, black people are just used and thrown away by the Dems in this country. They hand them out 900$/month, give them a phone, and keep basically them like that their whole life. We just have to be able to get these folks listening to a better message...


47 posted on 11/07/2012 7:49:19 PM PST by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: generally

Distribute it yourselves with little crosses all over it, only ever in red white and blue and put merry christmas on it etc...

Wave goodbye to the county


48 posted on 11/07/2012 8:04:50 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: INVAR
you're a fool. the CA GOP tried to do what you advocate and are irrelevant, the state now has Dem supermajorities and no GOP statewide office holders. your path would produce the same result at the national level.

we've not reached out. the attitude from you and others is people should just find conservatism and the Republican party isn't what the Dems and their ethnic/language media say they are on their own. that's lazy.

49 posted on 11/07/2012 8:54:55 PM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate voter Freepers for making him president til 2017!)
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To: Mustangman
I was listening on the radio today and a black man was talking about how Voter ID, Immigration Reform, Welfare reform drive minorities away who may otherwise be attracted to our economic message due to the racist undertones of such policies.

Then don't call them that. Keep in mind, liberals torture the language. Affordable Care Act anyone?

To wit we rename these as follows:
- VoterID -> United Nations Voter Standard

The UN observers were stunned at our "trust-based" system. A few suggestions could be found from them to bring our system up to "international standards". What liberal could resist getting in-line with suggestions from the UN observers?

- Immigration Reform -> Streamlining and Standardizing the US Immigration System

The current system is a mess, but 'reform' has a nasty bite to it. So we're just going to make it more efficient. After all, there are millions of people waiting in line, right? Don't even talk about the illegals.

- Welfare Reform -> Job Training and Placement Program

Sneaky, isn't it? Everyone wants a job, right? Who could object to such a thing?

Just some thoughts. There are some tactics the libs use that can be used to our advantage.

50 posted on 11/07/2012 11:02:12 PM PST by superloser
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