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John Adams (Speaking from the grave..... our Constitution is now inadequate.
Personal Letter ^ | October 11, 1798 | John Adams

Posted on 11/07/2012 1:52:36 PM PST by schaef21

" Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. " John Adams


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: constitution; election; obama
Our Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.
1 posted on 11/07/2012 1:52:38 PM PST by schaef21
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To: schaef21

Adequate or not the people have voted to deep six it. What legitimate authority does the Constitution have without the support of the people?


2 posted on 11/07/2012 1:56:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: schaef21

Obama may be and probably is punishment to America for 75,000,000+ abortions.. and other crimes..

Just a symptom of moral degradation.. that America deserves..


3 posted on 11/07/2012 1:56:06 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: schaef21
I woke up thinking about this quote from Thomas Paine in 1776 -

"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. "

4 posted on 11/07/2012 1:59:02 PM PST by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: schaef21

Not just The Founding Fathers. My parents who were part of The Greatest Generation and both of whom served in WWII, wouldn’t recognize this Country.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 2:00:23 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
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To: schaef21

That one sentence speaks to the truth of our situation. Whatever we are now, or will become in the United States, will never be what we once were. That age has passed....a new people have been elected with new & different ideas & ways that our founding Fathers did not share or approve of. Our job is to now find out how to survive in this new world.This post-constitutional America.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 2:01:44 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: schaef21

Here’s one: “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity” -Yeats


7 posted on 11/07/2012 2:15:23 PM PST by MNDude
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To: schaef21

Half a million more votes in the right places and we would have had it. A turnout like 2004 and we would have had it. We had the tools and the numbers, but too many sat this one out.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 2:16:14 PM PST by Snake65
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To: The Sons of Liberty

No; my parents wouldn’t recognize it either; they were part of the Greatest Generation. My dad was a WWII combat veteran; but he had a disconnect in his thinking about the Democrat Party and FDR. He had already disliked draft dodgers worse than a dose of salts; but when Bill Clinton came along and it was revealed that he had been a draft dodger, Daddy gave him a pass. My parents always thought that the Democrat Party was more for the poor person. Daddy had lost his hearing for the most part in the war; and whenever all the scandals that Clinton was embroiled in came out, he couldn’t hear well enough to take it in.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 2:26:03 PM PST by Twinkie (REMEMBER BENGHAZI !!!!)
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To: schaef21

And here’s another prescient and prophetic quote from John Adams:

“But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it…” John Adams to wife Abigail.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 2:30:10 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Snake65

It boggles the mind to try to figure out how any decent human being could sit this one out.... given that their inaction appears to have caused America to suffer through another 4 years of hell.
We may or may not survive this.
I’d like to be optimistic but really can’t find much justification for it...

One thing, though. Podhoretz says this afternoon that there were not many people sitting this one out, after all. If he is correct, then the cause of Romney’s loss lies elsewhere... Here is his article, see what you think....(??)

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/11/07/where-did-the-voters-go-nowhere/

If indeed there are several million ballots yet to be counted, could it be that many of these are absentee ballots (which tend to split in a more favorable Republican manner, often).... and if so, might we not yet know the result of this election? (I really don’t know what to make of this... will appreciate any definitive answer, if available).

Pray for America, in either event. There are far, far too many people who want to ditch this great republic into the trashcan of history.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 2:31:17 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I am only in my late 40’s and I don’t recognize the country I grew up in. I was proud to be able to serve my country in the 1980’s during the Cold War, but I am no longer proud of what Americans now choose to stand for.

I was thinking about flying my American flag upside down, but I think too many people wouldn’t understand it. So instead I removed my flag from my pole and turned off the light that kept it illuminated. I then took my flag to the back yard and with honor and respect destroyed it by burning it completely gone.

I will not fly an American flag again until America returns to respecting God (not allah) and it returns to being based on the Constitution. In other words, I doubt I will ever fly an American flag again. It’s a sad day, but it isn’t the end, because I still believe in God and I know that about half of America DIDN’T choose Obama, so there is still hope.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 2:40:07 PM PST by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: schaef21; kingattax; CAluvdubya; Ms. AntiFeminazi
Our souls are being tried for a purpose we can not see right now.

We have to believe that God has a reason for allowing this man to be president for another four years, as painful as it is.

Look at it this way - if we are upset, imagine how God must feel having been treated so shabbily by Obama.

Jarrett and BO speak of revenge, but it is the Almighty Himself who will get the last and final crack at vengeance.

13 posted on 11/07/2012 2:45:44 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: schaef21; Salvation; NYer; Huber; aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; ...
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. " John Adams

IF this election was the referendum on Judeo-Christian values as many of our finest had cast it; then the devastating results should cause great reflection in people of faith.

We should be repentant of our deficient catechesis; of failing to "commend to others the faith that is within us", to borrow a phrase from one prayer of confession.

And while our catechesis might still be adequate in "red counties" otherwise known as "flyover country" those same bi-colored maps reveal an utter failure of evangelism in our coastal cities.

So let us take yesterday's failure as tomorrow's challenge: to impart "the faith once delivered to the saints" to those regions where to many. God's Holy Name is but a curse word.

14 posted on 11/07/2012 2:51:52 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: schaef21
We need to hear more from the Founders..

There are few statements, I'll bet, from our Founders -- and the Civil War era -- that do not apply today.

From Patrick Henry

The questing before [you] is one of awful moment to this country . . . in proportion to the magnitude of the subject [there must] be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that [you] can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should [you] keep back [your] opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, [you] should consider [your]self as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which [is] above all earthly kings . . . Are [you] disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? . . . whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, [you must be] willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.


15 posted on 11/07/2012 3:02:20 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: schaef21

The Constitution is more than adequate thank you very much. It is the electorate the people who are lacking. It is our job to protect the Constitution and educate the electorate. Now get busy please and quit saying silly things


16 posted on 11/07/2012 3:02:57 PM PST by Nifster
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To: lightman

“IF this election was the referendum on Judeo-Christian values as many of our finest had cast it; then the devastating results should cause great reflection in people of faith.”

Adams also said, paraphrasing from a letter to his wife, that Liberty, once lost, is gone forever. More important to the context is the bargaining away of the limits on government, specifically, as the contributing factor to its demise.

What Adams was saying to his wife, in essence, is you have to start over again. This is probably what Jefferson was referring to as well in the ‘Tree of liberty is watered by the blood of patriots’.

The USA, as it was founded, is all done. The land remains, but we are no longer a nation of laws, but now we are a nation of men.

Limbaugh wonders why there are two standards - what liberals can get away with and what conservatives get punished for (as opposed to what they actually do).

There are two standards because there are two classes - the makers and the takers. The makers have become a permanent subclass.

When everybody is special, nobody is.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 3:04:19 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (United States of America - the Empty Oak on the Hill)
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To: schaef21

The Divided States of America:

“The United States Constitution has proved itself the most marvelously elastic compilation of rules of government ever written.” - Franklin D. Roosevelt


18 posted on 11/07/2012 3:36:19 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Twinkie
he had a disconnect in his thinking about the Democrat Party and FDR

That entire generation [with exceptions, I'm sure] had that disconnect with FDR. My parents grew up during the First Great Depression and considered him a hero -- though I think his admittedly-admirable war-leadership was a big part of it. Dad's long gone, but Mom [now 89 and a staunch conservative] still gets uncomfortable when I criticize FDR.

"We all loved him then," she says.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 3:39:31 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: schaef21
" Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. " John Adams

Excellent choice for a post -- and true.

20 posted on 11/07/2012 3:41:10 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Nifster

I believe you need to read the quote, Nifster.

The Constitution is a rock..... the people have abandoned the very thing that undergirds it.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 3:57:25 PM PST by schaef21
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To: RinaseaofDs

***There are two standards because there are two classes - the makers and the takers. The makers have become a permanent subclass.***

And when the makers stop making(because there’s no point in it when the government confiscates too much of the spoils), the takers won’t have anyone to take from....and then we will welcome Greece to our shores.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 4:02:25 PM PST by schaef21
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To: RinaseaofDs

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to timne with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

Thomas Jefferson


23 posted on 11/07/2012 4:22:45 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: Elsiejay

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.”— Thomas Jefferson


24 posted on 11/07/2012 4:51:48 PM PST by tflabo
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To: Slyfox
Our souls are being tried for a purpose we can not see right now. We have to believe that God has a reason for allowing this man to be president for another four years, as painful as it is.

I have thought of this (as well as many other things today) and decided it sure would have been nice if God gave a teeny tine hint at what His plan is. *sigh* I'm sturggling today to see any good in anything.

25 posted on 11/07/2012 6:19:09 PM PST by CAluvdubya (ABO)
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To: BfloGuy

Thank God my grandparents weren’t (none of them). We’re conservative through and through. (Well, cousins have fallen far from the tree - eviroNAZI commies, but my line is strong.)

Even today (we were all commiserating and venting about Tuesday) Mom recounted how her mother was NOT caring at all or sad about FDR’s passing. She told a woman she knew - aunt or cousin - who came to her house all crying about FDR’s death. Gramma said she was sad for the woman because it meant so much for her but really, it didn’t bother Gramma 1 bit. (Also, some little child was crying as they were walking in Baltimore, and he gushed that poor FDR had died - Gramma “oh well”.)


26 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:57 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Gramma “oh well”.

Heh. There were precious few "Grammas" back then.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 3:47:51 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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